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Poll: Do you believe there is a 'GOD'?
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Do You Believe In a God?
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WGT)DarkXprT
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Just Vote. DO NOT DISCUSS Poll: Do you believe there is a 'GOD'? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No | ||
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WGT)DarkXprT
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
But then again, im not convinced at all of the way religions paint that "greater being". | ||
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chobopeon
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Cos while a lot people dont believe in first, they do so in the latter. | ||
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draeger
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On December 18 2005 12:41 draeger wrote: I need a "don't know" option Its not about knowledge. Its about beliefs | ||
CTStalker
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taDa
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Meta
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
On December 18 2005 12:44 IntoTheWow wrote: Its not about knowledge. Its about beliefs Well if I don't know what I should believe, it's kinda hard to check an answer. I believe there might be a god, but truthfully, it doesn't impact me very much at this point of my life. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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On the other hand what "God" may mean besides his supernaturalness differs from belief to belief. So the answer is yes and no; I do not have any hard convictions on the subject. None of my learning have helped me find an answer, nor do I expect to ever arrive at one.  Pascal said that we were only forgivable in one of two instances: either one searches for God with all his heart and has found him, or one searches for him with all his heart and has not found him yet. I have never searched him with all my heart, and don't think myself capable of it either. So even though I am generally pro-Christian, spiritually I am really wishy washy | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
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Chraej
United States246 Posts
Just Vote. DO NOT DISCUSS ? whats the point in saying "yes" or "no" and not discussing it? are you trying to reasure yourself that its ok to do so or not do so because other people do the same? | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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SaYman
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Chraej
United States246 Posts
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mitsy
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 18 2005 12:44 IntoTheWow wrote: Its not about knowledge. Its about beliefs i believe i dont know | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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WGT)DarkXprT
Qatar428 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:02 Chraej wrote: I know how many religion threads we have had, and i do not want to start a discussion. Just Vote. DO NOT DISCUSS ? whats the point in saying "yes" or "no" and not discussing it? are you trying to reasure yourself that its ok to do so or not do so because other people do the same? every single forum on the internet has had a discussion about religion and we all know its endless... i did this because im curious about how many people do believe there is some overwhelming force over us, cause i dont. I just wanted to make a poll for my records, thats all, anyway its good to define what you think GOD means, and how you interpret it. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:05 Chraej wrote: so chicken, what are your beliefs, define agnostic for us One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. | ||
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Chraej
United States246 Posts
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R_I
New Zealand42 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:10 Chraej wrote: i know what it is chobo, i wanted him to tell me because lots of people are jumping that bandwagon what a stupid thing to say. | ||
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rel
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:07 WGT)DarkXprT wrote: every single forum on the internet has had a discussion about religion and we all know its endless... i did this because im curious about how many people do believe there is some overwhelming force over us, cause i dont. I just wanted to make a poll for my records, thats all, anyway its good to define what you think GOD means, and how you interpret it. Yes, I'm sure "your records" about whether TLers believe in God will be crucially important to humanity. There are scientifically done polls I think you might find more interesting. | ||
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Chraej
United States246 Posts
do you have... a reason or support for saying that? Alot of people just dont want to take the stand, yay or nay. | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:10 Chraej wrote: i know what it is chobo, i wanted him to tell me because lots of people are jumping that bandwagon lol im not doing that, i know my beliefs, but i can understand you asking that cause i know many ppl who seem to pretend theyre atheistic, guess its kinda cool nowadays -_- seldomly met another agnostic tho in my environment =O | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
There are no such things as gods, ghosts or a tooth fairy. | ||
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OhNoKickedAgain
Czech Republic232 Posts
darwin > bible | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:52 Chraej wrote: do you have... a reason or support for saying that? Alot of people just dont want to take the stand, yay or nay. reason: that it was a stupid thing to say. | ||
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merz
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gulii
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User11
Canada481 Posts
lol darwin < death are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
On December 18 2005 13:06 mitsy wrote: if god exists, why did he create WGT)DarkXprT, wgtour, and Mexico????? hahahhahaha | ||
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
It's really hard to bandwagon a belief structure. Nobody of any decent level of intelligence is going to call you stupid for your religious preference. I really don't care what people believe in as long as their beliefs don't impede my ability to follow my own. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
make liquibet | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Btw, that boxer comment was very cute ! | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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OhNoKickedAgain
Czech Republic232 Posts
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote: darwin > bible ? lol darwin < death are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious. Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct. Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world. | ||
Insane
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote: are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory You are an ignorant motherfucker. ^^ | ||
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Kashezsi
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R_I
New Zealand42 Posts
Even the Vatican has said that Catholicism and Evolution are not exclusive if you follow that the Christian god created life and then evolution took over. Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html Rather, the term of how life first came about is called Abiogenesis, and this is where the dispute should be aimed at. Evolution itself is observable and makes predictions. It is a strong theory, like say, gravity, with mountains of observations behind each of them. | ||
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
On December 18 2005 14:36 EAGER-beaver wrote: I can't vote until a definition of god is given this is so true. when people get specific about God and specific about how they know something is true or false u usually see that their beliefs point to their God being false. people who are more honest with themselves may actually end up with wishy washy enough things to settle these things, but then you have to ask, by their definition of truth and God, #1 is that what they work with on an everday basis really and truly, and #2 what's the point of such a being that the definition points to? i have no doubt there's god or gods in any reasonable way we could mean. but tha'ts because i think that there basically is everything possible, it's just a matter of place. so when i talk about there being no god it's more about there being no god in the places that people think would mean a god to them. i exclude most of those. god didn't write the bible, for instance, and god didn't make life for whatever moment is going to happen on earth, or the universe in order to create intellient beings, or anyt of that. in fact, whether there is ultimate creator from our perspective or purely theoretically and ultimately has to ignore the question "why would that matter to us?" blah blah blah | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
(I do not believe this  ) | ||
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mitsy
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 18 2005 14:49 OhNoKickedAgain wrote: indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious. Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct. Evolution is pretty much a fact. But guys like you (who talk as experts) still do not fail to annoy. Now what I'm about to say isn't going to defend the bible at all, but is it (hopefully) going to show you that you know shit and shouldn't try to sound like an expert: If humans developed from apes where is the missing link. "Well it's natural we havn't found everything, right?" Sure, but evolution is a lengthy process, there should be tons of these links. And links between the link and another link, and so on and so forth. Explain that Mr. Scientist. Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger Well thanks for that interpretation. Looking past the fact that you don't support anything you say with quotes from the bible, or other authorities, and the fact that there is no semblence of an argument of any kind (you're just saying shit), it's world class!!! Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world. This last paragraph (why did you write it last, if you had started out with this I could've ignored your whole post!) shows what a spectacular idiot you are. You're as a dumb as rock (I SUGGEST YOU REBUT MY POST BY PROVING THAT YOU AREN'T A ROCK USE PICS AND REMIND ME THAT ROCKS CAN'T TYPE) | ||
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didierdrogba
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yes i believe in god | ||
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Redstorm[MFx]
Norway258 Posts
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OhNoKickedAgain
Czech Republic232 Posts
On December 18 2005 15:49 -_- wrote: Evolution is pretty much a fact. But guys like you (who talk as experts) still do not fail to annoy. Now what I'm about to say isn't going to defend the bible at all, but is it (hopefully) going to show you that you know shit and shouldn't try to sound like an expert: If humans developed from apes where is the missing link. "Well it's natural we havn't found everything, right?" Sure, but evolution is a lengthy process, there should be tons of these links. And links between the link and another link, and so on and so forth. Explain that Mr. Scientist. Well thanks for that interpretation. Looking past the fact that you don't support anything you say with quotes from the bible, or other authorities, and the fact that there is no semblence of an argument of any kind (you're just saying shit), it's world class!!! This last paragraph (why did you write it last, if you had started out with this I could've ignored your whole post!) shows what a spectacular idiot you are. You're as a dumb as rock (I SUGGEST YOU REBUT MY POST BY PROVING THAT YOU AREN'T A ROCK USE PICS AND REMIND ME THAT ROCKS CAN'T TYPE) United States huh?...anyway I dont talk like expert, u see everywhere "IMO" ? what missing link are u thinking about? about bible part: you surely know basics about that ...or you want me to retype text about adam and eve? are you that dumbass not to know that story or what? i dont get your point and tell me about that last paragraph why it sounds crazy -_- you only swear on me and critize my opinions without giving ANY reason or fact behind it pls think twice before posting. ur reply wasnt with any opinion from your side...just swearing... edit: id be glad to talk with you but its 1am in morning and i need to sleep, we can talk in pm or you have to wait about 16 hours for my reply here | ||
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didierdrogba
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whatever
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:20 ChOsU wrote: omg 35 believe in god, never thought it would be that high, I guess they just need something to believe and give meaning to ther lives etc Dont insult other people opinions and beliefs. | ||
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:22 IntoTheWow wrote: Dont insult other people opinions and beliefs. It's not necessarily an insult. While I don't really believe in God or a religion as a whole, I do think is a very good social tool and can give hope to troubled people or people who can't/don't want to open their minds to other possibilities.. But just the opposite, I think it's very stupid for athiests to bash on the religious people. If it works for them, let them do it as long as they don't drag you into it. | ||
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CTStalker
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R_I
New Zealand42 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:11 didierdrogba wrote: maybe genesis is a parable, used to explain life on earth...Have you ever read any books with hidden truths and meanings? Like that animal farm book? Fair enough. Although to make your explanation a bit more reasonable, have you got any ideas about what the actual meaning is? I ask this because the creation story already seems a lot like a story about creation. And I'd say that creation by the god of genesis is the main point of the story, so anything that is not significantly different is probably irrelevant, for example saying that perhaps it wasn't actually 7 days, but 7 billion years or something. There being two conflicting creation stories in the first two chapters of genesis is probably a hint that there is something deeper (because you can't take both stories literally to be true at the same time), although at this point I have no idea what that could be. Perhaps you have some idea. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
it isn't about religion at all god is about that thing we call hope. That one thing where we just have to believe things will turn out for the best... if we do not believe in god then we believe we're alone... responsible for out own actions and events that happen to us. But how many times have you tried your hardest and failed? How many times have u not tried at all and succeeded? That is god... the belief that everything will be ok in the end. The hope that life will go on and that it will progress to something better. From experience, atheists are very depressed, materialistic and obsessive people. They see no end not light at the end of the tunnel. They just see here and now and deal with here and now. Those who believe there isn't more will make the most of what is now. And those r the kinds of people that will steal, rape and corrupt everything to get what they want. They have no shame, no conscience. Altho this may not always be true, it is in most cases. Belief in god isn't whether jesus exists. It's believing that everything will be ok, being happy with what u have and enjoyin gthis world for what it is, rather than trying to make it worse by creating something that's not there. | ||
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:31 CTStalker wrote: they'll always try to drag you into it. that's their schtick I've got lots of religious friends and they don't try to convert me. | ||
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Mickey
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 18 2005 15:49 -_- wrote: [QUOTE]On December 18 2005 14:49 OhNoKickedAgain wrote: [QUOTE]On December 18 2005 14:20 User11 wrote: darwin > bible ? lol darwin < death are bodies are way to complexed for darwins theory[/QUOTE] indeed in my humble opinion darwin > bible. For europeans it is very interesting that more than 50% of americans don't believe in darwins theory because they are strongly religious. Darwin : It is natural that we have developed from apes, apes from lesser animals..... this continues up to cells. This is so incontrovertible fact that people, who critize darwin theory in try to detroy this presumption, points on this very incontrovertiblity. They are saying that incontrovertiblity of darwin's theory is just the point why it isn't correct.[/quote] Evolution is pretty much a fact. But guys like you (who talk as experts) still do not fail to annoy. Now what I'm about to say isn't going to defend the bible at all, but is it (hopefully) going to show you that you know shit and shouldn't try to sound like an expert: If humans developed from apes where is the missing link. "Well it's natural we havn't found everything, right?" Sure, but evolution is a lengthy process, there should be tons of these links. And links between the link and another link, and so on and so forth. Explain that Mr. Scientist. [quote]Bible : Bible consist of many parts, some of them very mistical, some of them less. First part (old testament) is in my opinion only contraption of people who wrote bible, the people who couldn't understand things like rain, thunder, storms , flow of seasons. Second part(new testament) was (again imo) made upon matters that happened in this world, only these matters were made bigger [/quote] Well thanks for that interpretation. Looking past the fact that you don't support anything you say with quotes from the bible, or other authorities, and the fact that there is no semblence of an argument of any kind (you're just saying shit), it's world class!!! [quote]Darwin vs Bible (God): How can Bible interpret creation of men ? Adam and Eve? Come on.... that's ridiculous....just say that Adam and Eve are only people on earth. and then their two sons, where they made other childrens and even if there would be some way how they made another children, you know how MUCH must be adam and eve inteligent. You know that when brother and sister sleep together(incest)and they have a baby, there is very large probability of deformation (physical, psychical)of baby Darwin's theory (explained above) is clear way how we come to this world.[/QUOTE] This last paragraph (why did you write it last, if you had started out with this I could've ignored your whole post!) shows what a spectacular idiot you are. You're as a dumb as rock (I SUGGEST YOU REBUT MY POST BY PROVING THAT YOU AREN'T A ROCK USE PICS AND REMIND ME THAT ROCKS CAN'T TYPE)[/QUOTE] [quote]United States huh?...anyway [/quote] Being prejudiced probably won't help your argument here, bud. [quote] I dont talk like expert, u see everywhere "IMO" ? [/quote] My point exactly. When talking about a scientific subject I don't give a shit about your opinion; I care about people who know. [quote] what missing link are u thinking about? [/quote] Again, you're proving my point (my point being DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW). If you havn't come across the term "missing link" before you havn't looked at evolution in any depth. [quote]about bible part: you surely know basics about that ...or you want me to retype text about adam and eve? are you that dumbass not to know that story or what? i dont get your point [/quote] If you're going to make a contraversial statement (in your case re: completely wrong). Quote the a passage that shows the behavior you are talking about THEN talk about the behavior that is shown in the passage. Pretty basic stuff. (By the way: omg u swear at me lemme cry plzkthxbai) [quote]and tell me about that last paragraph why it sounds crazy[/quote] Ask somebody else. Only if they can't (or won't) tell you, will I, because it's GLARINGLY OBVIOUS. [quote]-_- you only swear on me and critize my opinions without giving ANY reason or fact behind it pls think twice before posting. ur reply wasnt with any opinion from your side...just swearing... edit: id be glad to talk with you but its 1am in morning and i need to sleep, we can talk in pm or you have to wait about 16 hours for my reply here[/QUOTE] damn damn fuck shit bastard bitch etc... Yup, that's all my post was. Edit: well you're from another country. When I said you should rebut my post by showing you weren't a rock, I was saying (sarcastically)that since I said you were a rock I thought you were a rock. That statement is NOT meant to be taken literally, just like the creation story is NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. I can see how you would not be able to understand my funny little concept play, but how you could miss the stupidit in your original post... no idea. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 18 2005 15:54 didierdrogba wrote: evolution is far from fact You're right, it's not like we've witnessed evolution first hand. Oh wait..... http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm | ||
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didierdrogba
182 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:45 R_I wrote: Fair enough. Although to make your explanation a bit more reasonable, have you got any ideas about what the actual meaning is? I ask this because the creation story already seems a lot like a story about creation. And I'd say that creation by the god of genesis is the main point of the story, so anything that is not significantly different is probably irrelevant, for example saying that perhaps it wasn't actually 7 days, but 7 billion years or something. There being two conflicting creation stories in the first two chapters of genesis is probably a hint that there is something deeper (because you can't take both stories literally to be true at the same time), although at this point I have no idea what that could be. Perhaps you have some idea. the earth represents chaos, anarachy, destruction, before god moulded it. Eden represents heaven, and adam and eve being cast out of such a beautiful place for their sin is why we have baptism, to cleanse original sin and evil thoughts. Each day God dealth with the earth ie adding night and day, fish and animals, humans, water etc. represents how the earth adapts with changes over time. Eg Waterlife spawning, and then humans created a long time after brb ill explain more later going down to the shops for lunch | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 18 2005 15:58 Redstorm[MFx] wrote: i belive in god. that crap about the great "big bang" just dosnt apply to me^^ Oddly enough, the Big Bang theory was accepted and promoted as the work of god by the catholic church and other groups. The Big Bang theory is actually quite sound. It was a hypothesis based on observed data (the red shift of other galaxies). And early Big Bang theorists predicted that were such an event to happen, a massive amount of radiation would still be floating around out there. Guess what, just as Big Bang theorists predicted, cosmic radiation exists. | ||
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
On December 18 2005 16:22 IntoTheWow wrote: Dont insult other people opinions and beliefs. your opinions and beliefs smell bad, and you do too. evolution happens, has for a while. big bang happened. the bible is a book, jesus was probably something like a man. and most of you are exact copies of at least 10,000 people in the u.s. alone, so don't feel bad if you kill yourself. | ||
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QuietIdiot
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Reincarnation >Evolution >Creationism >Logic >Scientology | ||
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whatever
Mexico693 Posts
On December 18 2005 15:58 Redstorm[MFx] wrote: i belive in god. that crap about the great "big bang" just dosnt apply to me^^ haha, so if we were in 1600~ you would be one of those who thought the earth was the center of the universe. | ||
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1tym
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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mitsy
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funkie
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
xenu is da man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu | ||
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x2fst
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On December 18 2005 14:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: I don't believe there's any god or anything. I do think it's _POSSIBLE_, but I find it far less likely than a "scientific" solution. there's definitely nothing like the christian god though, and there is no heaven/hell. edit1: God's NBA stats edit2: Before posting in this thread I had 666 posts. | ||
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Ruthless Assassin
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Hot_Bid
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Chris307
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baal
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On December 18 2005 19:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Yep the spagetti monster looks way better than that POS. | ||
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WGT)DarkXprT
Qatar428 Posts
On December 18 2005 20:46 Chris307 wrote: If there is a God, explain Ashlee Simpson for every good creation there is a bad one, look at her sister, HOT. | ||
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MhX
United States317 Posts
as anyone voting 'no there is absolutely no chance of a god' is just ignorant because its impossible to rule it out since we don't know anything but anyways without going much into depth about what I think I'll just say this: Its funny how the bible continues to vaguely reinterpret itself to have symbolic meanings instead of literal meanings. Especially funny since when it was wrote, and for hundreds of years before the first scientific break throughs, people did take it literally because there was nothing to prove it wrong. As another note I'm quite suprised how many people answered 'No.' Is America just that religious or is Europe very open minded? | ||
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alphaentity
United States525 Posts
Here's a funny penn and teller show about the bible http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452&q=a hepful hand | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
edit: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove | ||
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Chris307
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On December 18 2005 21:48 alphaentity wrote: I want to vote "I don't know" Here's a funny penn and teller show about the bible http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452&q=a hepful hand Thank you for that. | ||
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WhiteDragon347
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iNcontroL
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Forgottenfrog
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ManaBlue
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didierdrogba
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
However personally, I would hold my life to the fact that most religion as we know it is nothing more than a manipulative concept, and that the Bible is one of the biggest manipulative tools ever created. While I believe most religions do hold morals and values and various other concepts that are very, VERY important for people to understand and know, I believe many of them have and do abuse what they have and seem to grow arrogant and begin to add in concepts and do things that are irrelevant and inaccurate. Especially if you look at history and know anything at all about logic, you can clearly see how easy it would be to manipulate the masses under such a guise. People today are still fooled by many things not nearly as complex as religion and the Bible. As dumb as people were back then, it would be quite easy for some kind of royal or higher-up educated family to brainstorm a method of manipulation similar to how some religions are, which also explains how interpretations of the Bible and various other things seem to change over the years. The motive and necessity is also quite obvious for such a scenario, which adds to the plausibility. Sometimes in my heart it feels hard to believe that there isn't some kind of higher power. But I believe that much of that is human nature, the desire for security, to have that feeling that someone is looking out for you and that there's a plan for you. It's all very comforting, and I believe that to be a very strong human weakness. But again, whether this is all an illusion or reality cannot be proven, so I don't attempt to find the answer. Basically, what it all boils down to for me is that I'm in control of my life, and I will rely on myself and only myself for that kind of comfort and support that one might search for from a higher power. | ||
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didierdrogba
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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alphaentity
United States525 Posts
On December 19 2005 00:33 didierdrogba wrote: how can you be both a believer and a disbeliever? It's more like, I'm not sure what to believe yet. | ||
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
but its not how the "church" states ^^ | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
On December 19 2005 00:46 HeadBangaa wrote: 125 vs. 70, I always knew this forum was EVIL! Haha, this forum is is full of BLASPHEMOUS HEATHENS! | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
DO NOT DISCUSS bah! whats the point of not discussing? anyway I do NOT believe in a god. And I can't believe so many people do. Its perfectly illogical really.  | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On December 19 2005 00:46 HeadBangaa wrote: 125 vs. 70, I always knew this forum was EVIL! having more than 10% believers around me makes me feel uncomfortable | ||
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BatTheMan
Canada759 Posts
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
and also I just read like a week ago that norway is the least religious developed country in the world. hooray for us. =] I really wish people would stop with the moronic generalizations though. there are plenty really smart christians and plenty really happy atheists. in fact im happier than everyone in the entire world. | ||
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BatTheMan
Canada759 Posts
On December 19 2005 09:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: mhx america is far more religious than northwestern europe. and also I just read like a week ago that norway is the least religious developed country in the world. hooray for us. =] I really wish people would stop with the moronic generalizations though. there are plenty really smart christians and plenty really happy atheists. in fact im happier than everyone in the entire world. Lisa Simpson made that happiness/intelligent chart the more intelligent you are the less happy your are. It has some truth to it if you think about it. Ignorant people are often the happiess they live in their bubble like a child. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
im able to decide to be happy and then be happy though. dunno whats so hard about it.  | ||
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doedrikthe2nd
Sweden981 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
and yes ofcourse it's a moronic generalization to say all christians are stupid. But honestly, its much easier getting along with someone with the same opinion in such big questions as "is there a god". | ||
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
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Prawned
United Kingdom794 Posts
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Krzych
Poland693 Posts
On December 18 2005 12:44 IntoTheWow wrote: Its not about knowledge. Its about beliefs It's about giving a damn. I don't. | ||
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0x64
Finland4544 Posts
On December 19 2005 10:30 doedrikthe2nd wrote: no, im an atheist, and also i have a hard time trusting people that are "too" religious Yeah I see what you mean, I have harder time trusting someone saying god forgives everything. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
The Bible is very real and also a lie. | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
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ReTrooper
Germany526 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
On December 18 2005 14:36 FrozenArbiter wrote: I try not to care :O Btw, that boxer comment was very cute !"In He we trust" | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
On December 19 2005 12:44 {ToT}Strafe wrote: I believe in me and all my abilities and limits. God won't help you so who cares if he exists. We are far too stupid at this point to explain existance or the infinite universe. God would be an easy way out to explain a lot and also probably the only way out that can be found satisfying. No matter what you say it's impossible to say that God exists, because there is no proof that our rationality would accept as solid proof. If you all believe in me you can at least be certain im real so all your devotion to me will not be in vain. Also will I reward everyone that devotes his life to me 40 virgins in heaven or if you are white and shaved I will reward you with wings in my celestial temple and you are allowed to wander in my castle and if you are lucky talk to my son. The Bible is very real and also a lie. First part is true, second part is pure bull? Bible contains a lot of good morals, but of course that depends on how you interpret it God can be used for any purpose, sort of :F | ||
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Jamers
Israel1327 Posts
In fact, I dare say, I am one of the most religious people here, as I am a practising Orthodox Jew. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
On December 19 2005 02:52 alphaentity wrote: It's more like, I'm not sure what to believe yet. To God that means no. I became a Christian just alittle while ago, and I have to say, It's great. It gives you hope for everything, and plus you go to church and meet all these great people. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
On December 19 2005 13:17 Ethenielle wrote: First part is true, second part is pure bull? Bible contains a lot of good morals, but of course that depends on how you interpret it God can be used for any purpose, sort of :F It's not bull. The morals in the bible are standard to civilisation, but more over most of the happenings described in the bible actually took place in a way. Meaning 'scientists' (probably christians) claim to have found traces of things like the Jew's leaving Egypt, the Arch of Noah, Babylon, Jesus and whatsoever. It's just the way they are described in the bible aren't really objective and can be interpreted in many ways. Also is it unclear what is real and what isn't in the Bible etc etc. Doesn't really matter anyway. Religion should be kept to yourself if you ask me. Sure you can talk about it to friends but I hate persuasion and more over public persuasion. Like in Egypt for example it's impossible not to see the influence of Islam and that sickens me. Especially if you consider women are getting stoned to death for sleeping with another man and women getting circumsized completely all for religion that just happens to be extremely convienent for men to keep power. Also religion can be brainwashing and cause people to be extremely biased towards everything not allowing them to be objective at all. Everything is either wrong or good according to their own believe and it makes them blind to other opinions and reasoning. Other than that religion can be very positive as well;) | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
Then watch the Omen so it'll scare the shi7 out of you into being Christian. =] | ||
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GeeyoUkNIT
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
(No it doesn't make sense, can't freaking word it right at the moment, but I hope you get the point in some irrational or illogical manner that may take you a 1 hour to realize or 2 seconds to realize the sheer stupidity of this and I just made you waste your time reading; time being trajectory only to the perception of an individual, hah.) rofl nvm, that was retarded :X | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
<3 that song | ||
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shmay
United States1091 Posts
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Empyrean
16976 Posts
On December 19 2005 14:20 GeeyoUkNIT wrote: if there isnt a God, then when did time started?? If there is a God, then why didn't he bless you with the gift of basic grammar and syntax? | ||
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WGT)DarkXprT
Qatar428 Posts
On December 19 2005 14:20 GeeyoUkNIT wrote: if there isnt a God, then when did time started?? By asking when, you are asking for time too, so what you just asked doesn't make any sense. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On December 19 2005 09:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: mhx america is far more religious than northwestern europe. and also I just read like a week ago that norway is the least religious developed country in the world. hooray for us. =] I really wish people would stop with the moronic generalizations though. there are plenty really smart christians and plenty really happy atheists. in fact im happier than everyone in the entire world. I read that Sweden was the least religious country in the world, developed or not. Wonder what the correct answer is. Anyone got a credible source for a stat like this? | ||
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