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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17004 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-18 07:09:48
December 15 2005 10:43 GMT
#1
Day one:

First problem! I don't know how many I'll go to. Depends on when I run out of interesting problems

A hexagon with sides of lengths 2, 2, 7, 7, 11, and 11 is inscribed in a circle.

Find the radius of the circle.

Day two:

By the way, this one's easier.

How many zeros are at the end of 100000! ?

Day three:

We all know it's impossible to construct a circle with the same area as a square within the Archimedean constraints (used only straight-edge and compass, and must be done in a finite number of constructions).

Show how to construct a circle with the same area as a square if you remove one of those constraints.

Have fun.

And by the way, do you know about those nifty "Mira" things? They're basically red sheets of translucent reflective plastic. You can use them for constructions, and you can actually trisect an angle with one. They won't help you with this problem, though.

Day four:

This is from an old math competition. I don't remember which, exactly, but J. Riley wrote it.

If w, x, y, and z are finite, not all zero, and satisfy the equations

w = bx + cy + dz
x = aw + cy + dz
y = aw + bx + dz
z = aw + bx + cy

and a, b, c, and d aren't -1, then will

(a/(1+a)) + (b/(1+b)) + (c/(1+c)) + (d/(1+d)) = 1?

P.S. I know some parentheses aren't needed. They're just there for aesthetics.

P.P.S. Matrices are a bitch to write in forums.
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boongee
Profile Joined November 2004
United States967 Posts
December 15 2005 10:47 GMT
#2
no

I'm going to bed
choujji
Profile Joined January 2005
Japan203 Posts
December 15 2005 10:48 GMT
#3
is this ur hw or something?
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5391 Posts
December 15 2005 10:48 GMT
#4
I guess 6.5 but that's because I am sleepy
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-15 10:54:58
December 15 2005 10:50 GMT
#5
Umm... not enough info? What are the interior angles of the hexagon? (or maybe it's not necessary, I dunno )

Edit: after further thought and some MS Paint diagrams, I've decided to demand a diagram for this question, so that we know exactly what this hexagon looks like. At the moment we don't even know which sides have which lengths, for one thing.
Ender
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-15 11:03:35
December 15 2005 10:59 GMT
#6
The hexagon is inside an eclipse, not a circle.

Edit: actually it depends on what you mean by inscribed. If we had a normal hexagon inscribed by the circle then every vertex would touch the circle, but if this particular hexagon was inside a circle only 2 vertices will touch, so find the largest radius you need.
The beatings will continue until the morale improves.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
December 15 2005 11:08 GMT
#7
On December 15 2005 19:47 boongee wrote:
no

I'm going to bed

So considerate of you, really.
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
December 15 2005 11:30 GMT
#8
On December 15 2005 19:47 boongee wrote:
no

I'm going to bed

that is one funny response
evolve or die
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
December 15 2005 11:34 GMT
#9
doesn't it depend on the way how you construct the hexagon?

or is there only one possible way to build it with those sides?

damn, i suck at math, and especially on geometry, i wish i would have been more attentive in school
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-15 11:39:01
December 15 2005 11:38 GMT
#10
haha

HINT
the sequence for the sides is irrelevant.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
WGT)DarkXprT
Profile Joined October 2005
Qatar428 Posts
December 15 2005 11:45 GMT
#11
On December 15 2005 20:38 oneofthem wrote:
haha

HINT
the sequence for the sides is irrelevant.

what do you think this is? a riddle? hes asking for help tell him the damn answer before i get nuts.
I hope all our problems stay as much as christmas wishes.
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 15 2005 11:53 GMT
#12
i think i got it....

its fucked up though, have to solve a cubic equation one sec
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
December 15 2005 11:54 GMT
#13
actually he just giving us all a riddle.. he not asking for help, hence the title of the thread..
if he do neeed help, he could have just googled the question .. and the answer/explanation should be at first result.
evolve or die
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
December 15 2005 11:55 GMT
#14
On December 15 2005 19:59 Ender wrote:
The hexagon is inside an eclipse, not a circle.

Edit: actually it depends on what you mean by inscribed. If we had a normal hexagon inscribed by the circle then every vertex would touch the circle, but if this particular hexagon was inside a circle only 2 vertices will touch, so find the largest radius you need.


First of all, an eclipse is a car, not a shape. Secondly, he said it's a circle and is asking for radius, something that an ellipse (I'm assuming that's what you ment) does not have.

That having been said, I have no idea how to do this problem. But I'd be interested to know now.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 15 2005 11:56 GMT
#15
answer is 7

bow before me

cool problem

if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-15 12:05:49
December 15 2005 11:59 GMT
#16
but we are looking for something like this?

[image loading]


if that's true, then in this example the circle depends on the distance of the opposing sides with length 2. but this distance depends on the angle at the connections the 7 and the 11 side share. if you choose it to be 180°, you'd get a rectangle 2x18. from that point you could decrease the angles, resulting in "coffins" with different heights, thus hexagons with different "outcircles". or is the angle at the 7-11 connections somehow determined?
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LordOfDabu
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States394 Posts
December 15 2005 12:03 GMT
#17
I also get 7, but I used MatLab's Fzero command on @(r)r-1/(cos(-asin(7/(2*r)) - asin(11/(2*r)))) because I've long forgotten how to simplify that kind of thing.
Think fast. Click faster.
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 15 2005 12:03 GMT
#18
Yes.

Cut it in half and consider the semicircle with side 11, 7, 2. put the ends of the quadrilaterals on the semicircle.

then use some properties about quadrilaterals and semicircles
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
December 15 2005 12:17 GMT
#19
what about a hexagon with the side sequence 2-7-11-2-7-11 with the angles 180,180,360(or 0),180,180. that would result in a single line with the length 20, thus resulting in an outcircle with the radius 10. or is this construction forbidden by a property of hexagons?
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 15 2005 12:29 GMT
#20
those wouldnt be the angles
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
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