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ghidorah
Profile Joined July 2005
United States20 Posts
December 15 2005 12:44 GMT
#21
It's hard to figure out the radius of the circle if you do not know the exact order of the lenght of each side and the angles of the hexagon. Or do you want us to figure out the the maximum or minimun radius?
PlayJunior
Profile Joined August 2004
Armenia833 Posts
December 15 2005 12:54 GMT
#22
On December 15 2005 21:03 BigBalls wrote:
Yes.

Cut it in half and consider the semicircle with side 11, 7, 2. put the ends of the quadrilaterals on the semicircle.

then use some properties about quadrilaterals and semicircles

And if the hexagon sides are 11, 11, 7, 7,2, 2? Then, you need to prove that a line connecting 2 vertices of hexagon is diameter of the circle...I don't think you can do that
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
December 15 2005 12:57 GMT
#23
Damn, I thought it would be a simple solution that would make you say, ohhhhhhh i see. Cool. Too bad.

Seems the math involved here is too esoteric for anyone but a university student with heavy math concentration to understand.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 15 2005 13:17 GMT
#24
you can permute sides to 2 7 11 2 7 11
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
PlayJunior
Profile Joined August 2004
Armenia833 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-15 13:59:35
December 15 2005 13:58 GMT
#25
PlayJunior
Profile Joined August 2004
Armenia833 Posts
December 15 2005 14:01 GMT
#26
On December 15 2005 22:17 BigBalls wrote:
you can permute sides to 2 7 11 2 7 11

You cannot rely on any specific drawing.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
December 15 2005 14:03 GMT
#27
i'm guessing "inscribed" means every corner of the hexagon lies on the perimeter of the circle (otherwise there was no unique solution).
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-16 03:51:13
December 16 2005 03:34 GMT
#28
The solution is 7 I believe. That's what Bigballs has as well.

I solved it to get the equation z^3 - 174z - 308 = 0
Factor that, you should get one of the roots as 14.


***Spoiler***

Draw two diagonals in the quadrilateral. The property you have to use is that the product of the two diagonals is equal to the sum of opposing sides multiplied together.

Edit: and any inscribed angle made in a semicircle is a right angle

*** End spoiler ***
^-^v
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
December 16 2005 03:38 GMT
#29
the other property i used is that angles in a semicircle form a right angle
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
December 16 2005 03:48 GMT
#30
doop doop bigballs is a dork
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-16 03:52:45
December 16 2005 03:50 GMT
#31
On December 15 2005 20:59 wasted wrote:
but we are looking for something like this?

[image loading]




This diagram is wrong because the hexagon is inscribed.

Certainly not a trivial question. Where is the next one?
^-^v
nicetoknowyou15
Profile Joined December 2005
Jamaica185 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-16 03:56:38
December 16 2005 03:56 GMT
#32
On December 16 2005 12:34 Jin wrote:
The solution is 7 I believe. That's what Bigballs has as well.

I solved it to get the equation z^3 - 174z - 308 = 0
Factor that, you should get one of the roots as 14.



-308+z(z^2-174)

z^2-174=0

z^2=174

square root of 174 = 13.2

??





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Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-16 04:10:54
December 16 2005 03:59 GMT
#33
On December 16 2005 12:56 nicetoknowyou15 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2005 12:34 Jin wrote:
The solution is 7 I believe. That's what Bigballs has as well.

I solved it to get the equation z^3 - 174z - 308 = 0
Factor that, you should get one of the roots as 14.



-308+z(z^2-174)

z^2-174=0

z^2=174

square root of 174 = 13.2

??


Um... z(z^2-174) = 308
z^2-174 != 0

-14 | 1 0 -174 -308
| 0 -14 -196 -308
--------------------
gives 1 14 22 0

so you get (z-14)(z^2 +14z +22)

rest is trivial

I realize the syntax might not make any sense but I can't draw it out in ascii.




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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 16 2005 05:56 GMT
#34
HAH. AFTER FINISHING UP WITH SCHOOL THIS SEMESTER, I WILL NEVER DO MATH AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(until calculus 2 next semester and linear algebra the semester after that TT)
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17004 Posts
December 16 2005 09:42 GMT
#35
Day two up as an edit of the first post.

I'm always amazed at what this forum can do
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17004 Posts
December 16 2005 09:52 GMT
#36
Ouch, just realized how ambiguously worded that last one was. I'll change it.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
December 16 2005 10:18 GMT
#37
16
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17004 Posts
December 16 2005 10:22 GMT
#38
You don't know what a factorial is, do you
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Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
December 16 2005 10:32 GMT
#39
Nice thread
Looks like I'm in time for day 2. Basically, we're looking for the highest power of 10 in 100000!, that is the minimum between the highest power of 2 and the highest power of 5. It's obvious that the highest power of 2 is higher, so we just have to find the highest power of 5 in 100000!

To find that, we'll need to find how many multiples of 5, 5^2, 5^3,... there are between 1 and 100000, and that is simply :
- 5 : 100000/5 rounded to the inferior = 20000
- 5^2 : 100000/25 = 4000
- 5^3 : 100000/125 = 800
- 5^4 : 100000/625 = 160
- 5^5 : 100000/3125 = 32
- 5^6 : 100000/5^6 = 6
- 5^7 : 100000/5^7 = 1

That makes 20000+4000+800+160+32+6+1=24999, which means we have 5^24999 in 100000!, and we have 24999 zeroes at the end of 100000!
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
December 16 2005 10:36 GMT
#40
On December 16 2005 19:22 Empyrean wrote:
You don't know what a factorial is, do you


I do, but what I said then was a guess

100000*99999*99998*99997*...* 1
Their are four errors in this sentance.
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