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b0mBerMan
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan271 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:33:13
June 07 2012 02:17 GMT
#1
A new resolution is curerntly being reviewed for the Boy Scouts of America. The resolution aims to lift the ban on gays and will therefore allow gay scouts and gay leaders in to BSA. The proposal gives the power to each chartered group to decide whether to allow gays into their group.

The initial reaction is still divided on this issue, going against a 105 year old no-gay policy on BSA. BSA officials are either on veehment opposition or lukewarm on this proposal, claiming that the tradition of the group should be held sacred. A few members on the otherhand are open to the idea, stating that the group should keep in touch with the changing ideological pulse of the times. They estimate the issue to be decided by May 2013.

I feel this is a significant change towards freedom in America. Remember that Obama has already expressed support for Gay marriage, and this may well be the start of another snowball on gay rights and human rights on other fronts in society.

Full story in the spoiler below.
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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/06/12086046-boy-scouts-review-controversial-anti-gay-policy?lite

The Boy Scouts of America is considering a newly proposed resolution that calls for ending a 102-year-old policy they’ve grappled with in recent years: banning gay scouts and scout leaders, gay advocates told msnbc.com on Wednesday. Though the organization said it would review the proposal, a spokesman insisted there were no plans to change the policy.

The new policy would throw out the national ban and allow local chartering organizations to decide whether or not they would accept gay youth and leaders, said Zach Wahls, an Eagle Scout who has advocated for the change, citing unidentified people he spoke to who attended the group's national annual meeting last week where the proposal was made.

Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said a resolution to amend the national policy to allow each of the Scouting’s chartered groups to set its own standards regarding gay members was turned in by a Scout leader from the northeast before April 30, the deadline for submitting resolutions to the meeting. He said it was read on May 31 at the meeting.

“While we’ll carefully consider this resolution, there are no plans to change this policy,” he said noting that resolutions and petitions on the matter were “not unique” and dated back to 2000, when the Supreme Court heard a challenge over their stance (the justices sided with the Boy Scouts in the lawsuit involving a former Assistant Scoutmaster who was gay, citing the protections of the First Amendment).

Wahls, the son of a lesbian couple, last Wednesday delivered a petition bearing 275,000 signatures calling for an end to the policy and the reinstatement of Jennifer Tyrrell to her post as den mother after she was ousted in April because she is gay.

Eagle Scout Zach Wahls, second right, delivers petitions to the Boys Scouts of America national annual meeting in Orlando, May 30, 2012, calling for an end to anti-gay discriminatory practices. Helping carry the cartons are Mark Anthony Dingbaum, left, and Christine Irvine of Change.org, the web-based social media platform on which the petition was launched.

Wahls said he was “absolutely ecstatic” when he heard about the proposal to change the policy, saying it would be akin to the repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

“Clearly this shows that there’s a little bit more internal discussion than they might be outwardly describing, so in a very real sense this was in a lot of ways kind of the best possible, most realistic outcome of that delivery of that Change.org petition,” he said. “It’s kind of hard to believe really that ... we are finding ourselves in this place, but here we are.”

Eagle Scout son of lesbian moms: Boys Scouts must end gay discrimination
Gay mom upset after dismissal by Boy Scouts

But Smith said their decision to accept the petition was “not related to the resolution,” earlier noting that it was out of respect for different points of view. He said resolutions were referred to and reviewed by a committee that would report back to the national executive board. The board then decides what actions are “appropriate,” he said.

The process would likely be done by May 2013, he said.

“There has been discussion about the BSA’s membership policy for decades. The BSA respectfully considers a wide range of views on this issue. Scouting has concluded its longstanding policy reflects the beliefs and perspectives of the BSA’s members,” he said. “Scouting believes same-sex attraction should be introduced and discussed outside of its youth program with parents, caregivers, or spiritual advisers, at the appropriate time and in the right setting. The vast majority of parents we serve value this right.”

He also noted that other resolutions had been introduced in the past “admonishing us to not change the policy. We have millions of youth and adult members each with a variety of beliefs about this issue and no single policy will accommodate everyone’s views.”
Do you think the Boy Scouts of America should change its policy?

Still, Wahls said he has had conversations with a number of people inside the organization, as well as an outpouring of support from other Eagle Scouts, with whom he will form a group to work to end the policy. "We're all feeling very positive about where we’re at,” he said.

“At the end of the day, the BSA’s about teaching young people the values and lessons that they need to know to serve and lead our fellow Americans and those values are not conservative or liberal,” said the 20-year-old, of Iowa City, Iowa, who became known nationally after speaking before his home state's legislature in 2011 about having gay parents.

He noted that he thought ending the policy could go a long way to help boost membership numbers and to “restoring the BSA to its former mantle of moral leadership in this country.”

Tyrrell served as den leader in her Bridgeport, Ohio, community for less than a year before her ouster. The 32-year-old stay-at-home mother of four said she agreed to take up the role on the day she signed up her son, Cruz Burns, for the troop. She had concerns about the Boy Scouts' policy against homosexuals, but a Cubmaster said that they wouldn’t have a problem locally.

Losing her post and removing her son from the troop has been trying. She said she has contact with a lot of her scout parents: "I’m still a part of their lives but (it's) not the same,” she said Wednesday, her voice trembling.

But she was heartened that change may be on the horizon. “The fact that they’re moving along with the country and with the times and with the needs and wants of the American people, is a huge step and I’m super, super excited to be a tiny part of that,” she said.


Poll: Should BSA allow Gay Scout leaders and members?

Yes (818)
 
73%

No (301)
 
27%

1119 total votes

Your vote: Should BSA allow Gay Scout leaders and members?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44999 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:29:50
June 07 2012 02:21 GMT
#2
I didn't realize they had an anti-gay policy.

Is it more like DADT? Because I'm pretty sure I had a few friends who are gay (although perhaps not open about it) who were in Boy Scouts.

Regardless, this is good news that they're trying again
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 07 2012 02:22 GMT
#3
Hm interesting, sort of like popular sovereignty for each individual group I guess?
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
June 07 2012 02:25 GMT
#4
wtf, were homosexuals banned from the scouts? I had no idea. That is of course stupid as all hell.
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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:27:35
June 07 2012 02:27 GMT
#5
Yea, there was a Bullshit episode on it. It's actually ridiculous because they get federal funding and they have a hateful policy.

Though the Girl Scouts are not affiliated with the Boy Scouts. They have no such policy.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 07 2012 02:33 GMT
#6
Tradition is used as an argument? Pfft. Awful argument there...
WTFZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
United States704 Posts
June 07 2012 02:35 GMT
#7
I mean, it's shitty that they don't allow homosexuals, but they're a private institution. They make the rules on who and who cannot join.

I'm all for them allowing homosexuals in, as it's stupid that they don't, but no governing body has the right to regulate the rules of admission to what is essentially a public club.

(I only mention that because I know where this thread is going to go.)
Might makes right.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
June 07 2012 02:35 GMT
#8
Girls allowed in the Boy Scouts. Boys not allowed in the Girl Scouts.

Yup, Earth shattering I know.

Things change with time and pressure, both are on the civil rights movement's side in this case. It will eventually be repealed, the Boy Scouts won't survive without government funding.
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ThePiedPiper
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada102 Posts
June 07 2012 02:36 GMT
#9
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out
ReaCT990
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1 Post
June 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#10
Being gay does not make one a pedophile, something that people couldn't quite wrap their heads around 100 years ago.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
June 07 2012 02:38 GMT
#11
There's obviously no logical reason for gay scout leaders to not be allowed... if they want to not allow it, it's their own foolish decision. There really isn't any argument against it except religious arguments, and they've really been done to death. :S
Sofestafont
Profile Joined May 2011
United States83 Posts
June 07 2012 02:38 GMT
#12
Also don't allow atheists I believe.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 07 2012 02:39 GMT
#13
On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out


Are you kidding? Because you know, if one gay guy happens to rape a kid, all homosexuals should be banned.

How the hell is that relevant? Should straight males not be allowed to run day cares and stuff in general?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44999 Posts
June 07 2012 02:40 GMT
#14
On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out


You don't have to be gay to rape someone of the same sex...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
June 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#15
On June 07 2012 11:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
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On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out


Are you kidding? Because you know, if one gay guy happens to rape a kid, all homosexuals should be banned.

How the hell is that relevant? Should straight males not be allowed to run day cares and stuff in general?


By "them" I think he meant the individual that is responsible for the incident.
SpunXtainz
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:44:24
June 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#16
I think it is a dangerous step.

Apart from some of the other points raised here, scouts is supposed to be a masculine pasttime, where men prepare themselves for life. Allowing a feminine person to lead them...
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:43:37
June 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#17
The thing that bothers me most about the 'no gays' BSA policy is that they don't even provide a halfway decent reasoning. They say that the BSA is not the appropriate place to bring up the topic of homosexuality... as though that somehow justifies their stance...

On June 07 2012 11:42 Leeto wrote:
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On June 07 2012 11:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out


Are you kidding? Because you know, if one gay guy happens to rape a kid, all homosexuals should be banned.

How the hell is that relevant? Should straight males not be allowed to run day cares and stuff in general?


By "them" I think he meant the individual that is responsible for the incident.

And I think the counter-point is that we allow heterosexual female leaders without over-worrying that they will rape the boys, so why not allow homosexual male leaders on the same terms?
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Sofestafont
Profile Joined May 2011
United States83 Posts
June 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#18
On June 07 2012 11:35 WTFZerg wrote:
I mean, it's shitty that they don't allow homosexuals, but they're a private institution. They make the rules on who and who cannot join.

I'm all for them allowing homosexuals in, as it's stupid that they don't, but no governing body has the right to regulate the rules of admission to what is essentially a public club.

(I only mention that because I know where this thread is going to go.)


I agree with this, but the problem is that schools sponsor boyscout troops. So in a way they are receiving Federal funding.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44999 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:57:29
June 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#19
On June 07 2012 11:38 Sofestafont wrote:
Also don't allow atheists I believe.


No homosexuals, atheists/ agnostics, and no girls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies

BSA for the win.

EDIT: Any identity can be a Girl Scout- even boys.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Damrak
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 02:43:47
June 07 2012 02:43 GMT
#20
reminds me of the good ol times when blacks were only allowed to sit in the back of the bus.
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