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Just when I start to lose faith in Humanity I come here and read a few posts. And the ban for the guy who doesn't know the difference between being attracted to a MAN and a CHILD... good job tl mods!
Here's my 2 cents.
I was in the cubs and the scouts from when I could join to when I had to leave, over 10 years maybe even 15, I even thought about becoming a scout leader for a while.
On a recent trip home I went looking for lots of people I hadn't seen in years (I haven't been home for 5 years) and the guy across the road from me was my old scout master.
Now this guy was AWESOME, he taught me so much about not only scouting but also life, a second father if you like.
I have so many fond memories of camping trips, so much fun.
I never knew it, but he was gay the whole time, living with his partner, the scouting movement never asked and he never told them, he quit scouting a few years back because of a back injury.
Just wanted to put that out there.
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Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
As long as they don't abuse or violate anyone, it's fine by me,
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
WTF does this have anything to do with gay people. Are gays incapable of rope climbing? Does liking dick mean you can't rappel down cliff faces and all that "manly" shit? Come on, this is ridiculous.
And don't you talk ill of girl scout cookies, they're fucking delicious.
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way"
I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before.
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On July 30 2012 14:27 GT350 wrote:
As long as they don't abuse or violate anyone, it's fine by me,
Also this thought is so throw away it actually makes me mad, gay people are not cats who if your not careful will ruin your best sofa, they are real arse individuals who like everyone else deemed "normal" are not okay with the rape and abuse of children. Did it really need clarification? "I'm okay with pakistanis working as doctors as long as they don't abuse or violate anyone" Said no one ever.
(I must have missed the campaign to get known, active sex offenders to work in BSA)
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
BSA receives federal recognition. Either change or give up the support, discrimination should not be tolerated at a federal level.
I think it's great that they can vote for it now (step in right direction) and those who have pulled support should continue to do so until this outdated policy is removed.
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On July 30 2012 14:36 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. WTF does this have anything to do with gay people. Are gays incapable of rope climbing? Does liking dick mean you can't rappel down cliff faces and all that "manly" shit? Come on, this is ridiculous. And don't you talk ill of girl scout cookies, they're fucking delicious.
LOL, I agree. I'm particular towards the Samoas and Tagalongs, myself. X-D My point was that that seems to be the biggest thing Girl Scouts do, and it's merely a fundraiser, right? Boy Scouts sell popcorn as their fundraiser, but they also do other notable activities, such as Scouting for Food as I mentioned earlier. Not to mention the millions of Eagle Projects that have been completed over the years, exemplifying Scouts showing service to their community.
On July 30 2012 14:54 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. BSA receives federal recognition and funding. Either change or give up the support, discrimination should not be tolerated at a federal level. While I think it's great that they can vote for it now (step in right direction), I still think they should mandate it.
*sigh* Of course the public funding bothers me, lol. Would rather see it completely privatized. (you'll see a bunch more 10-year-olds knocking on your door asking you to buy popcorn, though, haha! X-D)
On July 30 2012 14:45 Kerotan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way" I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before.
When I was a younger Boy Scout, we also didn't mention politics or even differing religions for that matter, because we knew that we each had our separate opinions on the matter and knew to let the parents talk to thier kids about those issues. BSA expects Mom and Dad to explain how sex works and what differing political opinions and religious beliefs are and what homosexuality is. Someone who is openly expressive of their sexuality, in my opinion, should not be tolerated, hetero- or homosexual; Boy Scouts isn't the place for it. There is a double standard on this, as I heard far more than my fair share of heterosexuality (boys will be boys...), but I disapprove of it just as ardently. Basically, BSA doesn't want to deal with any of it, because they believe it's not their place. To be honest, a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is acceptable here in my opinion, for any sexual orientation. I know it's not popular, but those are family issues (homosexuality, teenage promiscuity, etc.), and they should remain as such if you ask me.
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On July 30 2012 15:19 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 14:45 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way" I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before. When I was a younger Boy Scout, we also didn't mention politics or even differing religions for that matter, because we knew that we each had our separate opinions on the matter and knew to let the parents talk to thier kids about those issues. BSA expects Mom and Dad to explain how sex works and what differing political opinions and religious beliefs are and what homosexuality is. Someone who is openly expressive of their sexuality, in my opinion, should not be tolerated, hetero- or homosexual; Boy Scouts isn't the place for it. There is a double standard on this, as I heard far more than my fair share of heterosexuality (boys will be boys...), but I disapprove of it just as ardently. Basically, BSA doesn't want to deal with any of it, because they believe it's not their place. To be honest, a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is acceptable here in my opinion, for any sexual orientation. I know it's not popular, but those are family issues (homosexuality, teenage promiscuity, etc.), and they should remain as such if you ask me.
Don't ask don't tell has another name, its called "its okay to be straight but it isn't okay to be gay"
Your living in a dream world, people will have their sexuality, and too me its totally lunatic that someone would lose their position for mentioning that they have a boyfriend and they are also male.
Its repressive and damaging and so backwards it makes me cackle with laughter that rules and the people that subscribe to them still exist. And then a little sad.
Americas stance on anything that isn't white and hertero-normative is shameful.
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On July 30 2012 15:34 Kerotan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 15:19 cLAN.Anax wrote:On July 30 2012 14:45 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way" I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before. When I was a younger Boy Scout, we also didn't mention politics or even differing religions for that matter, because we knew that we each had our separate opinions on the matter and knew to let the parents talk to thier kids about those issues. BSA expects Mom and Dad to explain how sex works and what differing political opinions and religious beliefs are and what homosexuality is. Someone who is openly expressive of their sexuality, in my opinion, should not be tolerated, hetero- or homosexual; Boy Scouts isn't the place for it. There is a double standard on this, as I heard far more than my fair share of heterosexuality (boys will be boys...), but I disapprove of it just as ardently. Basically, BSA doesn't want to deal with any of it, because they believe it's not their place. To be honest, a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is acceptable here in my opinion, for any sexual orientation. I know it's not popular, but those are family issues (homosexuality, teenage promiscuity, etc.), and they should remain as such if you ask me. Don't ask don't tell has another name, its called "its okay to be straight but it isn't okay to be gay" Your living in a dream world, people will have their sexuality, and too me its totally lunatic that someone would lose their position for mentioning that they have a boyfriend and they are also male. Its repressive and damaging and so backwards it makes me cackle with laughter that rules and the people that subscribe to them still exist. And then a little sad. Americas stance on anything that isn't white and hertero-normative is shameful.
BSA leaders frown upon Scouts bringing their girlfriends to Visit Night at Summer Camp too, if it makes you feel any better.
I really don't mind if a person's gay. Or straight. Or what-heck-the-frick-ever. It's not that we live in some "dream world" and say they don't exist. But a Boy Scout meeting or campout is not the place to bring those topics up, with other members of the Troop; the responsibility for those subjects is given solely to the parent(s) or guardian(s).
I tell you these things because it actually sounds as though you were never a Boy Scout or attended a BSA function before.... :-)
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On July 30 2012 15:55 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 15:34 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 15:19 cLAN.Anax wrote:On July 30 2012 14:45 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way" I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before. When I was a younger Boy Scout, we also didn't mention politics or even differing religions for that matter, because we knew that we each had our separate opinions on the matter and knew to let the parents talk to thier kids about those issues. BSA expects Mom and Dad to explain how sex works and what differing political opinions and religious beliefs are and what homosexuality is. Someone who is openly expressive of their sexuality, in my opinion, should not be tolerated, hetero- or homosexual; Boy Scouts isn't the place for it. There is a double standard on this, as I heard far more than my fair share of heterosexuality (boys will be boys...), but I disapprove of it just as ardently. Basically, BSA doesn't want to deal with any of it, because they believe it's not their place. To be honest, a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is acceptable here in my opinion, for any sexual orientation. I know it's not popular, but those are family issues (homosexuality, teenage promiscuity, etc.), and they should remain as such if you ask me. Don't ask don't tell has another name, its called "its okay to be straight but it isn't okay to be gay" Your living in a dream world, people will have their sexuality, and too me its totally lunatic that someone would lose their position for mentioning that they have a boyfriend and they are also male. Its repressive and damaging and so backwards it makes me cackle with laughter that rules and the people that subscribe to them still exist. And then a little sad. Americas stance on anything that isn't white and hertero-normative is shameful. BSA leaders frown upon Scouts bringing their girlfriends to Visit Night at Summer Camp too, if it makes you feel any better. I really don't mind if a person's gay. Or straight. Or what-heck-the-frick-ever. It's not that we live in some "dream world" and say they don't exist. But a Boy Scout meeting or campout is not the place to bring those topics up, with other members of the Troop; the responsibility for those subjects is given solely to the parent(s) or guardian(s). I tell you these things because it actually sounds as though you were never a Boy Scout or attended a BSA function before.... :-)
Of course I've never been to a BSA function before. I'm not American.
All I want is for people that are boy scouts to not be fired for being gay, and not having to hide that they are attracted to the same sex.
Someone clearly minds, because the BSA stigmatises being gay, the BSA don't have a rule on their books saying "To be a boy scout you need not to be straight" or perhaps even more workable "Only aromantic Asexuals are allowed to be leaders and members of boy scouts of America"
The day a scout leader get kicked from a position for being straight, for having the gal to admitting that they have a girlfriend, or in some other way is revealed that they prefer the company of ladies is the day that I will eat my own feet. I think my ability to walk will be safe for some time to come.
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On July 30 2012 16:17 Kerotan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 15:55 cLAN.Anax wrote:On July 30 2012 15:34 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 15:19 cLAN.Anax wrote:On July 30 2012 14:45 Kerotan wrote:On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. Sorry. You have a bad case of complete disconnection from reality, gay people don't walk up to you and say "Hi I'm gay, please allow me to explain how anal sex works", in the same way that when you meet a straight person they don't say "Hi I'm a dude and I love having sex with ladies, you see to have sex with a woman you stick your penis in their vagina. Oh and the name is david by the way" I say this because it actually sounds like you've never met a gay person before. When I was a younger Boy Scout, we also didn't mention politics or even differing religions for that matter, because we knew that we each had our separate opinions on the matter and knew to let the parents talk to thier kids about those issues. BSA expects Mom and Dad to explain how sex works and what differing political opinions and religious beliefs are and what homosexuality is. Someone who is openly expressive of their sexuality, in my opinion, should not be tolerated, hetero- or homosexual; Boy Scouts isn't the place for it. There is a double standard on this, as I heard far more than my fair share of heterosexuality (boys will be boys...), but I disapprove of it just as ardently. Basically, BSA doesn't want to deal with any of it, because they believe it's not their place. To be honest, a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is acceptable here in my opinion, for any sexual orientation. I know it's not popular, but those are family issues (homosexuality, teenage promiscuity, etc.), and they should remain as such if you ask me. Don't ask don't tell has another name, its called "its okay to be straight but it isn't okay to be gay" Your living in a dream world, people will have their sexuality, and too me its totally lunatic that someone would lose their position for mentioning that they have a boyfriend and they are also male. Its repressive and damaging and so backwards it makes me cackle with laughter that rules and the people that subscribe to them still exist. And then a little sad. Americas stance on anything that isn't white and hertero-normative is shameful. BSA leaders frown upon Scouts bringing their girlfriends to Visit Night at Summer Camp too, if it makes you feel any better. I really don't mind if a person's gay. Or straight. Or what-heck-the-frick-ever. It's not that we live in some "dream world" and say they don't exist. But a Boy Scout meeting or campout is not the place to bring those topics up, with other members of the Troop; the responsibility for those subjects is given solely to the parent(s) or guardian(s). I tell you these things because it actually sounds as though you were never a Boy Scout or attended a BSA function before.... :-) Of course I've never been to a BSA function before. I'm not American. All I want is for people that are boy scouts to not be fired for being gay, and not having to hide that they are attracted to the same sex. Someone clearly minds, because the BSA stigmatises being gay, the BSA don't have a rule on their books saying "To be a boy scout you need not to be straight" or perhaps even more workable "Only aromantic Asexuals are allowed to be leaders and members of boy scouts of America" The day a scout leader get kicked from a position for being straight, for having the gal to admitting that they have a girlfriend, or in some other way is revealed that they prefer the company of ladies is the day that I will eat my own feet. I think my ability to walk will be safe for some time to come.
Sorry, a Boy Scout function.
Look, the Boy Scouts want to promote the health and growth of boys becoming trustworthy, loyal, helpful,... etc., etc., men in a fun and safe environment. BSA doesn't want to put up with the drama that ensues from these issues; honestly, you can do anything that a Scout does without having to mention to anyone your sexual orientation, no matter what it is. If you have to bring that up, you're with the wrong group. You go there to camp and climb and fish and kayak and mature and etc., not sit around and talk about the initimate details of your recent sexual expereinces or which set of plumbing you prefer on a person.
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
You know about the difference between a correlation and a cause right?
EDIT: Removed an unnecessary bit.
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On June 07 2012 11:42 SpunXtainz wrote:
I think it is a dangerous step.
Apart from some of the other points raised here, scouts is supposed to be a masculine pasttime, where men prepare themselves for life. Allowing a feminine person to lead them...
Gay's aren't all feminine. Sure some are but there are plenty of masculine gays who you might not even recognize as gay at first sight.
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On July 30 2012 16:47 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 11:42 SpunXtainz wrote:
I think it is a dangerous step.
Apart from some of the other points raised here, scouts is supposed to be a masculine pasttime, where men prepare themselves for life. Allowing a feminine person to lead them... Gay's aren't all feminine. Sure some are but there are plenty of masculine gays who you might not even recognize as gay at first sight.
yeah some people have the wrong image of gay.. where they talk/walk like a glamour girl..
while they forget that there is gay navy seal soldiers serving/have served.. i have a feeling they don't wear makeup and flashy clothes.. and i bet they could teach the BSA something about survival in the forest 
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On July 30 2012 16:38 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint. You know about the difference between a correlation and a cause right? EDIT: Removed an unnecessary bit.
Right, I know. It's merely my own experiences and opinion on the matter. My point was that the BSA upholds some unpopular standards, but it sticks to them rigidly anyways. I see it as overall moral discipline, and other organizations, to my knowledge, are not quite so consistent. That was all. 
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Shame no one ever tlkas about the rights of non Homosexuals.
I mean what if you want to be around like minded people?
You have no safty net.
We don't allow men into ladys bathrooms, but that's ok discriminations.
But to ban gays isn't ok discimination?
I support people who stand up for what htey beleive, reguardless of side.
I do not support people who try force their beliefs down the throats of others.
the BS has always been hetero.
If you really want to be a gay scout why odn't you make your own group- I won't stop you.
I really see this as aggression on the part of homosexuals, and it really rubs me the wrong way.
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On July 30 2012 14:22 cLAN.Anax wrote:
Obama is only now showing interest in joining the pro-same-sex marriage camp; basically, he flip-flopped.
As an Eagle Scout, I approve of their decision to uphold this stance on the issue. Homosexuality, like sex ed in general, is thought best taught by the parent(s), not the BSA.
They may be the most discriminating of the youth organizations, but they also seem to be the group that gets the most done. Boy Scouts may not "embrace diversity," but I've respected them the most, for reasons other than this. Every November, we have "Scouting for Food," where we collected donated canned goods and give them to those in need. Girl Scouts (which have succumbed to most societal pressures, sadly) have... cookies. '>_> Through the BSA, I've conquered high-ropes courses, rappelled down cliff faces, backpacked around New Mexico, even camped in a cave. All the former Girl Scouts I've talked to wish they could have done all that stuff, but instead, they were relegated to boring, forgettable junk.
TL;DR: BSA has standards, doesn't let culture push it around; wish other organizations would take a hint.
"Standards" is a pretty fucked up way to euphemise discrimination. What if I justified racial discrimination to you by saying that we have "standards." You do understand that people who have been with the scouts for years were recently fired for no other reason other than the BSA wants to double down on the issue.
And shut up about the girl scouts. Capitalism is very much part of America. Selling delicious shit with awesome advertising and social manipulation by adorable little girls is way more American than anything the boy scouts do.
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On July 30 2012 23:36 SayGen wrote:
Shame no one ever tlkas about the rights of non Homosexuals.
I mean what if you want to be around like minded people?
You have no safty net.
We don't allow men into ladys bathrooms, but that's ok discriminations.
But to ban gays isn't ok discimination?
I support people who stand up for what htey beleive, reguardless of side.
I do not support people who try force their beliefs down the throats of others.
the BS has always been hetero.
If you really want to be a gay scout why odn't you make your own group- I won't stop you.
I really see this as aggression on the part of homosexuals, and it really rubs me the wrong way.
How do heterosexuals lose any rights by being around homosexuals? I suppose you also hate the civil rights movement for black rights cos they were forcing their beliefs down the throats of others?
It's utterly ludicrous that you see this as aggression from homosexuals because they want to be accepted. Like seriously what the fuck?
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On July 31 2012 00:13 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 23:36 SayGen wrote:
Shame no one ever tlkas about the rights of non Homosexuals.
I mean what if you want to be around like minded people?
You have no safty net.
We don't allow men into ladys bathrooms, but that's ok discriminations.
But to ban gays isn't ok discimination?
I support people who stand up for what htey beleive, reguardless of side.
I do not support people who try force their beliefs down the throats of others.
the BS has always been hetero.
If you really want to be a gay scout why odn't you make your own group- I won't stop you.
I really see this as aggression on the part of homosexuals, and it really rubs me the wrong way. How do heterosexuals lose any rights by being around homosexuals? I suppose you also hate the civil rights movement for black rights cos they were forcing their beliefs down the throats of others? It's utterly ludicrous that you see this as aggression from homosexuals because they want to be accepted. Like seriously what the fuck?
I realize u like many see things from one perspective. That is normal and I'm not insulting you.
I have a bad habbit of seeing thigns from left field, right field, the skybox, and the dugout.
Did you think maybe people don't want to accept them becuase they don't want to accept them?
The Black Panthers don't like me. I'm white.
Do I want to go to a Black PAnther meeting and make them accept me? No.
They can hate me all they want. It's kool.
If I want to be in a club with people jsut like me. I should be able to.
It's not about keeping gays or anyone DOWN.
It's about being allowed to form your own groups.
that's why I gave you the ridiculus example of not allowing males into female bathrooms.
THAT IS SEXIST!!!!!
But it's ok. or is it?
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The BSA gets federal funding to use a lot space and equipment. Federal funding should not be used to discriminate.
And there is no equivalence with male/female bathrooms at all.
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