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Oregon Justices Approve Release of Boy Scouts’ ‘Perversion Files’
SEATTLE — Oregon’s highest court cleared the way on Thursday for the release of thousands of pages of documents detailing accusations and investigations of sexual abuse or other improprieties by Boy Scout leaders around the nation from the mid-1960s into the 1980s.
The Boy Scouts of America said in a statement that the file system was kept confidential to encourage reporting of bad or questionable behavior by scout leaders, and that details of old cases, coming to light years after the fact, could still harm innocent victims.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/court-approves-release-of-boy-scouts-perversion-files.html
Not entirely certain if its related, but I suppose its a possibility.
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Thanks for the update!
Very sad to see the reaffirmation of bigotry though.
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On July 18 2012 11:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Thanks for the update! Very sad to see the reaffirmation of bigotry though.
Right? Is it just me or is this like, really really bad. 'Emphatically reaffirmed policy', does that mean it wasn't even a tough decision?
The whole thing seems crazy and fucked up to me, gotta do some more reading I think
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I don't see why they should be banned, it's really sad and idiotic, It's not like homosexuals are some kind of horrible monster race out to violate little boys. They should ban catholic priests instead ;-) (bad joke, sorry, dont mean to offend, its just jest)
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Wow that article reeked of bullshit. The committee apparently had variety of opinions and yet voted unanimously. The company is going to work from within to change the policy? Sure. I guess that's the kind of reporting fox news does?
Fuck the boy scouts, my son is going to learn the essentials of capitalism from the girl scouts. That's patriotism, dammit.
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On July 19 2012 01:50 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow that article reeked of bullshit. The committee apparently had variety of opinions and yet voted unanimously. The company is going to work from within to change the policy? Sure. I guess that's the kind of reporting fox news does?
Fuck the boy scouts, my son is going to learn the essentials of capitalism from the girl scouts. That's patriotism, dammit.
The article is fine. It explained the process the scouts took to make a decision, their reasoning behind the decision and criticism from both outside and within the organization.
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That's a shame.... Kind of enraging, too.
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....church and boy-scouts are against Gays, probably because straight kids make them more horny and are easier to abuse.
Whats up with all that gay hating in america?
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Lets let women, pedos and blacks into the boyscouts now!
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On June 13 2012 12:14 Xenocryst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out So once one gay man does something wrong they all need to go? You cant just group all homosexuals into a massive group. Knowing several gay people i can say that they are just as varied and as good of people as my straight friends.
The thing is, no straight guy would ever do it.
Applying your logic, just because some dudes won't do anything there is no need for separate bathrooms for each sex.
I understand your concern about generalising, but we're comparing a scenario of no risk vs some risk, however small it is. Relatively speaking one will always be a winner.
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On July 19 2012 02:58 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:14 Xenocryst wrote:On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out So once one gay man does something wrong they all need to go? You cant just group all homosexuals into a massive group. Knowing several gay people i can say that they are just as varied and as good of people as my straight friends. The thing is, no straight guy would ever do it. Applying your logic, just because some dudes won't do anything there is no need for separate bathrooms for each sex. I understand your concern about generalising, but we're comparing a scenario of no risk vs some risk, however small it is. Relatively speaking one will always be a winner.
the root reason isn't even one of molestation (which is a bullshit argument anyway)
it is a religious argument
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On July 19 2012 02:58 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:14 Xenocryst wrote:On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out So once one gay man does something wrong they all need to go? You cant just group all homosexuals into a massive group. Knowing several gay people i can say that they are just as varied and as good of people as my straight friends. The thing is, no straight guy would ever do it. Applying your logic, just because some dudes won't do anything there is no need for separate bathrooms for each sex. I understand your concern about generalising, but we're comparing a scenario of no risk vs some risk, however small it is. Relatively speaking one will always be a winner.
No straight man would ever rape boys? That is absolutely not how it works. If a person if going to rape a child then it does not matter if they are straight or gay or if the child is a girl or boy. Hell, there have been a significant number of catholic priests (who are not openly gay) who have molested young boys.
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On July 19 2012 03:05 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 02:58 S_SienZ wrote:On June 13 2012 12:14 Xenocryst wrote:On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out So once one gay man does something wrong they all need to go? You cant just group all homosexuals into a massive group. Knowing several gay people i can say that they are just as varied and as good of people as my straight friends. The thing is, no straight guy would ever do it. Applying your logic, just because some dudes won't do anything there is no need for separate bathrooms for each sex. I understand your concern about generalising, but we're comparing a scenario of no risk vs some risk, however small it is. Relatively speaking one will always be a winner. No straight man would ever rape boys? That is absolutely not how it works. If a person if going to rape a child then it does not matter if they are straight or gay or if the child is a girl or boy. Hell, there have been a significant number of catholic priests (who are not openly gay) who have molested young boys.
Well smack my ass and call me Judy.
I'll admit a degree of ignorance on the subject. Just kinda assumed that if you wanted dick (no matter the age) you were gay, with the exception of straight prisoners wanting ass out of necessity and it being the next best thing.
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On July 19 2012 03:12 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 03:05 hzflank wrote:On July 19 2012 02:58 S_SienZ wrote:On June 13 2012 12:14 Xenocryst wrote:On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote:
As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out So once one gay man does something wrong they all need to go? You cant just group all homosexuals into a massive group. Knowing several gay people i can say that they are just as varied and as good of people as my straight friends. The thing is, no straight guy would ever do it. Applying your logic, just because some dudes won't do anything there is no need for separate bathrooms for each sex. I understand your concern about generalising, but we're comparing a scenario of no risk vs some risk, however small it is. Relatively speaking one will always be a winner. No straight man would ever rape boys? That is absolutely not how it works. If a person if going to rape a child then it does not matter if they are straight or gay or if the child is a girl or boy. Hell, there have been a significant number of catholic priests (who are not openly gay) who have molested young boys. Well smack my ass and call me Judy. I'll admit a degree of ignorance on the subject. Just kinda assumed that if you wanted dick (no matter the age) you were gay, with the exception of straight prisoners wanting ass out of necessity and it being the next best thing.
To clarify further based on scientific evidence (because I just did some reading and learned something): http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cap/18/3/204/
Gay paedophiles are more likely to molest post-pubescent boys, such as young teenagers. Straight paedophiles are more likely to molest pre-pubescent boys.
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Just out of curiosity, are the Boy Scouts actually exclusively boys? As in, completely seperate from the Girl Scouts? I ask because I used to be part of the Scouts in my country and we've mixed it up over here. Was one of the best experiences of my childhood too.
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On June 07 2012 11:27 DoubleReed wrote:
Yea, there was a Bullshit episode on it. It's actually ridiculous because they get federal funding and they have a hateful policy.
Though the Girl Scouts are not affiliated with the Boy Scouts. They have no such policy.
I was pretty conflicted on this topic until I watched the Bullshit episode on it. I'm now ready to vote "Yes" on the poll in the OP with confidence.
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On July 19 2012 03:31 Mastermyth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, are the Boy Scouts actually exclusively boys? As in, completely seperate from the Girl Scouts? I ask because I used to be part of the Scouts in my country and we've mixed it up over here. Was one of the best experiences of my childhood too.
The Boy Scouts have no affiliation with the Girl Scouts. The boy scouts were sort of hijacked by Mormons a while ago and they are exclusionary to gays and atheists. The girl scouts are not exclusionary at all.
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This decision means that troops will still play fast and loose with the paperwork, and practice don't ask don't tell. Nothing will change except that it proves that the old guard of boy scouting are bigoted old men, nothing new for people with knowledge of the system.
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The thing that bothers me most is that I had a scout master who was actually physically abusive. He would put clothes pins on kids' fingers, ears, nose, whatever, if he was bothered by them. Not even if the child (early elementary school at this point) was misbehaving or anything either. The scout master was a straight up bully. I left/was pulled out of the scouts after nothing happened to him when it was brought up.
But hey, it's totally cool. At least he wasn't gay, amirite. /sigh
Score another one for bigotry and the "old boys club."
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