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On May 11 2012 14:46 forgottendreams wrote:
Is this the part where I act like a cool kid and hate on modernity because its evolutionary abstraction gutted and stripped the pretentious and inneficient art and artists of past?
This is the thread to post your opinions on modern art, yes. Whether you think other people's opinions are valid, genuine, or not, is kind of besides the point.
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This thread should be about 'contemporary' art, because 'modern art' refers to art associated with the Modernist movement of the 19th and 20th centuries. Of course everyone just thinks of 'modern art' as art that is modern, but you've probably heard of post-modernism too.
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The idea of Koons having a factory of people producing his art, and that being important to what it is. This is the same idea of Andy Warhol's work, just years later. Cool stuff.
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Recall having to go to Kiasma* as a school kid of 10-12 or so and seeing an artistic photo of a naked woman with a gas mask on and a hose going from it to her ass or vagina can't recall which, most enlightening it was.
Anyway I consider that and OP's kind of modern art garbage.
Edit: Kiasma* being a Finnish musem of modern art.
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I see better "art" on reddit/imgur/deviantart any day of the week.
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Whether art in any form will inspire or speak to you varies from person to person.
Despite what Banksy thinks, just because some people will produce their voice and vision in a matter so stupid and unappealing to you that it's hernia inducing, this does not mean it is valueless to others. Just to you.
Granted, people spend too much time seeking meaning and depth in the artistic equivalent of mud puddles, but I spend too much time watching other people play video games. So, no worries.
Short version: Artsy fartsy people are obsessive and inane, but so are you. So why worry?
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I like modern art, specifically artworks actually associated with modernism, because I feel like there is an internal logic reflected in the aesthetic organization. However, I really have trouble appreciating the post-modern/post post-modern stuff, like "happenings" or even some of the kind of stuff linked in the OP. It seems to me that the more contemporary stuff is conceptual to the point of being unintelligible.
I guess the most important thing for me in artwork is that the conceptual pretext can be clearly linked to aspects of the composition.
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Metal balloon sculpture and the diamond skulls is pretty much pure bullshit to me. These people are salesmen and snake charmers masked as artists.
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On May 11 2012 17:08 .Sic. wrote:
this is post modern...
This might be a stupid question, but what exactly is the nature of modern art? post modern art? Can it be defined in categorical terms? I'm asking because by the way it looks to me, these are all just seem too arbitrary, like even the drawings I made in nursery school can be called modern or post modern art nowadays.
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Post modern is when "art"(lol) begins to be bullshit.
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On May 11 2012 15:15 inky wrote:
This thread should be about 'contemporary' art, because 'modern art' refers to art associated with the Modernist movement of the 19th and 20th centuries. Of course everyone just thinks of 'modern art' as art that is modern, but you've probably heard of post-modernism too.
First a few definition of terms, in simple terms:
Contemporary art - In art/museology terms, this means artworks produced after World War II. This is a term used only loosely and nominatively, and not as a categorization of a period or movement.
Modern art - an artistic movement from mid 1800s to 1970s or up to the present time, depending who you ask. This is mainly defined by its departure from classical representations in form and material. Artists in this period include Gauguin, Van Gogh, Matisse, Picasso, etc.
Postmodern art - this is not technically a movement in art but is used to describe tendencies in artistic expression both in form and content. It is a departure from modern art in terms of its disavowal of any social or political statements that is still a vital of modern art movement.
So to answer, critics and art scholars only allude to PM art as a way to describe its contents and intentions. But in the art business/world, we are still technically in the modern period of art. I doubt if there will truly be a postmodern art since visual art is impossible to produce without any historical context, which postmodernism tries to get rid of.
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It's good that Art holds a different meaning to all, there are many pieces I find extremely intriguing, but personally 90% of the Modern or Abstract Art I look at... just seems so damn effortless to me.
Like the Balloon Dog, I'm sure it took long to build, and a lot of precision and fine craftsmanship, etc, etc, but the idea... it's so lacking of creativity IMO. I like to be able to look at a piece of art and it speaks to me, it tells me of the time it was made, or the story behind it, it's story, the materials made, is just straight out weird, and gets you thinking, countless other little things that jump out to you. I guess somebody who was a Carnival Clown can draw a connection to the Balloon Dog, lol. I'm getting annoyed just talking about it. Most Art nowadays lacks a lot of depth, at least IMO. I wish I could give some names of people in particular, but they're art sucks IMO so I never got to know it, lol.
However, yea, obviously it's your personal opinion on how that piece of work speaks to you, so I get it how everyone takes a work of art their own way, and what I may think sucks and is definitely not art, someone may hang, frame and center in their living room.
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too much text not enough pictures!!!!!!!!
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Modern art do seem bullshity sometimes. That Pollock guy started it all. Re above on Banksy, is he like a street artist who uses stencils? Is this considered "art" now?
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I'd just like to say how beatifully written this OP was. What a delight to read such precious sentences.
I absolutely love modern art. My brother and I really enjoy pointing out music, paintings or texts that have an aimless attribute, an aimless sense to it, because, it's difficult to explain, but it's just as beautiful if not more than something that actually has a meaning. Modern art tends to have a aimless or pointless side to it and I love it.
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I don't really like modern art. I'm much more impressed by technical skill and technique in art, and modern art often just goes against it.
Certainly modern art has its place. Often it can introduce new techniques to increase our repertoire. But undermining skill is something I really don't like. Many artists (in all artforms) spend years honing their craft to be able to have incredible skill, and I think modern art very much trivializes that.
Of course, 'modern art' is like the vaguest thing ever. There's plenty of modern art that is incredibly skillful and badass. But that's usually not what people talk about.
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Modern art is too wide a term to say anything categorical about. However, there's a certain part of it, I guess, that kinda bothers me. Shit like this:
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I just cannot get myself to see the vaue in this. Commenting on a meaningless, shallow society by making something meaningless and shallow just seems like a waste of time. And while I'm sure some of these artworks have meaning for the people who made them, this movement has opened the doors for countless uninspired hacks to throw some shit on a canvas and make a quick buck off of it, because to the outside wiever it is impossible to tell the artist's intension.
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The world runs on power, and power is perceived by the general public.
Just like money only has value if people believe the government backing it has the power to support it. Just like luxury products only have value that people think it is worth. Just like stocks. Fashion.
What the fuck makes Gucci, LV, Armani so fucking expensive anyway? Is their design and quality really that high? Or is it something else that people buy into? What determines credit ratings anyway? What does a AAA rating carry in value anyway?
Modern Art is knee deep into the pissing contest along with modern fashion, global finance, international marketing etc. Everyone is just trying to sell their shit, it really doesn't matter what the fuck it is, as long as people are hyped into buying it.
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