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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Does he deserve compensation - sure. Maybe 100k... Hell let's say 2 millions which is enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life. 20 millions though? Had a really rough 5 days over a gross mistake, doesn't mean you deserve to live in extreme luxury for the rest of your life. Imagine him 2 years down the line with 20 millions, he'll (seriously) think it was EASILY worth the 5 days of hell. | ||
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imanoobcs
184 Posts
On May 06 2012 02:11 Djzapz wrote: 20 millions is ridiculous, like many lawsuits in the US. People have gotten so used to huge figure, 20 millions doesn't seem to mean anything anymore, but it's a lot of money for one person... especially in the hands of a person who apparently is involved with a variety of drugs and military weapons. Does he deserve compensation - sure. Maybe 100k... Hell let's say 2 millions which is enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life. 20 millions though? Had a really rough 5 days over a gross mistake, doesn't mean you deserve to live in extreme luxury for the rest of your life. Imagine him 2 years down the line with 20 millions, he'll (seriously) think it was EASILY worth the 5 days of hell. This User was warned for this post | ||
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Candadar
2049 Posts
On May 06 2012 02:11 Djzapz wrote: 20 millions is ridiculous, like many lawsuits in the US. People have gotten so used to huge figure, 20 millions doesn't seem to mean anything anymore, but it's a lot of money for one person... especially in the hands of a person who apparently is involved with a variety of drugs and military weapons. Does he deserve compensation - sure. Maybe 100k... Hell let's say 2 millions which is enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life. 20 millions though? Had a really rough 5 days over a gross mistake, doesn't mean you deserve to live in extreme luxury for the rest of your life. Imagine him 2 years down the line with 20 millions, he'll (seriously) think it was EASILY worth the 5 days of hell. If you think any amount of money is worth this, you're fucking sick in the head. | ||
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ICA
498 Posts
On May 02 2012 14:12 Zahir wrote: that would piss me off for sure. Sorry, but I cannot stop laughing at this one, even though I think it was unintended haha. | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On May 06 2012 03:52 Candadar wrote: If you think any amount of money is worth this, you're fucking sick in the head. I would love to do meth and drink my own piss for 20 million dollars...for 5 days. Fuck yeah! Seriously, you wouldn't? | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
I'm sure anyone would be willing to go through that for 5 days if you know you'll be reviving that much money and if you know you will live (like everyone in this thread). Thinking you are going to die there (and he came very close) is a whole different story. Hopefully the DEA receives massive cuts after this. The war on drugs is so fucked up and useless. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:04 SlowBullets wrote: I would love to do meth and drink my own piss for 20 million dollars...for 5 days. Fuck yeah! Seriously, you wouldn't? He almost died, and didnt know if he was going to get out or not. If someone put you in that situation I highly doubt you would "love it". Its not like he's just sitting there eating meth and drinking piss for money...the guy was going to die and did the only thing he thought would save his life. How is that worth it? | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 06 2012 02:11 Djzapz wrote: 20 millions is ridiculous, like many lawsuits in the US. People have gotten so used to huge figure, 20 millions doesn't seem to mean anything anymore, but it's a lot of money for one person... especially in the hands of a person who apparently is involved with a variety of drugs and military weapons. Does he deserve compensation - sure. Maybe 100k... Hell let's say 2 millions which is enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life. 20 millions though? Had a really rough 5 days over a gross mistake, doesn't mean you deserve to live in extreme luxury for the rest of your life. Imagine him 2 years down the line with 20 millions, he'll (seriously) think it was EASILY worth the 5 days of hell. 100 grand wont even cover his medical bills. He was in ICU for over 72 hours, with acute renal failure. Maybe your life is only worth 100k, but I would disagree. Beyond that if you would have read the articles carefully it never stated he was involved with drugs and "military weapons". He was being detained for questioning, meaning he was not their target. He could have been a friend, family member, or just in the wrong place at the right time. I think "rough day" is beyond an understatement. It's hard for us to imagine that situation because we haven't experienced what he did. He was treated way worse than being tortured. I just dont understand all these ppl in this thread stating "he used drugs and had weapons he doesnt deserve anything " What does that have to do with ANYTHING? edit; removing ad hominem ;() | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:51 phosphorylation wrote: Hell, I would stay in a cell for 5 days without food and water but potentially getting 1+ mil dollars in return. I would even do it for 100k. Most peoople die after three days without water. As tough as you are saying this. 5 days without water but drinking your own piss is hell. After the 3rd day you feel so terrible you probably just want to die. Nobody here wants to go through an experience like this. He deserves every bit of money he gets imo. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:11 heliusx wrote: 100 grand wont even cover his medical bills. He was in ICU for over 72 hours, with acute renal failure. Maybe your life is only worth 100k, but I would disagree. Beyond that if you would have read the articles carefully it never stated he was involved with drugs and "military weapons". He was being detained for questioning, meaning he was not their target. He could have been a friend, family member, or just in the wrong place at the right time. I think "rough day" is beyond an understatement. It's hard for us to imagine that situation because we haven't experienced what he did. He was treated way worse than being tortured. I just dont understand all these ppl in this thread stating "he used drugs and had weapons he doesnt deserve anything " What does that have to do with ANYTHING? sheltered life syndrome is in full force in this thread or something... 2 millions then, whatever - not 20 millions. I did give some serious wiggle room did I not? And we're not debating on the monetary value of "his life", the guy didn't die and if he did, he wouldn't be after money. Also the fact that spending 3 days in the ICU costs over $100,000 is just sad. Edit: your personal attack was fine, I have bigger problems than internets! | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:10 Kaitlin wrote: Everybody who is wronged in any way seems to think they deserve to live a life of luxury and never work again. American culture seems to have lost its work ethic, which is really sad and contributing, in large part, to our degradation. I really hope that Federal Tort Claims Act applies here and he only gets paid for actual injury. I think there is no doubt he suffered and should be compensated for whatever medical bills or actual injury he's suffered, but beyond that, nope. I really doubt you would be singing that tune if you were in his position. Besides he more than likely suffered mental damage you nor I are even remotely capable of measuring... | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:23 heliusx wrote: youre right im trying to figure out why so many people are saying he should be treated differently because he used drugs and weapons. (weapons werent his just making a point) I treat people differently depending on what they do, and I think that if the government is to give a shitload of taxpayer money to a person who hasn't earned any of it, it's better if that money doesn't go toward buying drugs. Either way in the end, you're the ones who pay for the mistakes of the DEA. If the bad stuff wasn't his, then good. | ||
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metalshoes1
United States2 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
a) No amount is justifiable putting a person through that kind of torture. No form of torture is justifiable. Let's not get into the semantics. Torture is torture, legally or illegally, whether or not it was on purpose. Yes, I know it happens everyday, but please don't argue that fact. b) He was innocent. The drugs and weapons did NOT belong to him. What article are you guys reading, here? He was detained to be questioned, promised to be released, even to be driven home by a DEA agent. And I'm sitting here reading pages of people arguing whether the weapons were military grade or some shit, or how ecstasy is not like weed?? What the hell? c) People are obviously ignorant to how the American justice system works, so their comments don't really warrant a long reply, but rather a quick clarification on the subject - most lawsuits give unusually large (often ridiculous) amounts, it's common practice. The amount gradually reduces through bargains and appeals, and whatever amount the defense wants to pick off. The lawyer gets a large margin, and he's the one sitting through them, and he's the one who usually decides the number. Then there's the judge who can change the value after any ruling. Then there's the matter of settlement after the case. Then there's tax. Let's say this kid wins on all counts, gets a good judge who likes him and wants to send a message out, AND has a lawyer who somehow decided his cut doesn't increase after winning (good luck with that - any lawyer winning a state case, especially this one where it's all over the news, gets final say on his cut), he will probably get no more than 1 million. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On May 06 2012 04:53 Velocirapture wrote: People in this thread are too focused on the individual getting the money when their focus should be on the crime that happened. The point of justice is not to get revenge on the people responsible, its to take care of the victim and prevent this from ever happening again. 20 million dollars sends a message that 100k does not. The victims background is completely irrelevant. As if that ever worked. Do you seriously mean to suggest that if people are just fined enough for any wrongdoing that all wrongdoing will go away? No, what will happen is that you will drain either the public treasury or ruin individual people's lives (as is sometimes the case in the US from what I understand). 100k is probably too small of a sum, especially concidering that he has medical bills that are already at that amount from what I understand, but 20 million is over the top instead. And for whoever suggested that it was wrong to ask him for a morally justifiable amount to sue for, I don't see why? He's entitled to compensation, sure, but there are limits. | ||
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