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thalim90

United States68 Posts

May 09 2012 01:14 GMT

#301

Holy shit. Thats disgusting and I do hope he wins any lawsuit should he go for one.

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

May 09 2012 01:16 GMT

#302

He nearly died of kidney problems just because the authorities "forgot" about him, really....

WombaT

Northern Ireland27471 Posts

May 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#303

For once I'm all for a pretty hefty payout. 20 million seems over the top, just intuitively but really the guy deserves whatever a non-senile Judge sees fit to award him.

Also what is with these tales I'm seeing of incompetence from police and other law enforcement agencies in the States recently? In the UK the police and security services aren't without their bad apples, but I am hearing a lot more stories of this ilk emanating from the States lately. Any pet theories Tlers?

heliusx

United States2306 Posts

May 09 2012 04:34 GMT

#304

On May 09 2012 13:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
For once I'm all for a pretty hefty payout. 20 million seems over the top, just intuitively but really the guy deserves whatever a non-senile Judge sees fit to award him.

Also what is with these tales I'm seeing of incompetence from police and other law enforcement agencies in the States recently? In the UK the police and security services aren't without their bad apples, but I am hearing a lot more stories of this ilk emanating from the States lately. Any pet theories Tlers?

intl media has been fixated on the usa for some time now. I'm sure per capita its just as bad elsewhere.

HunterX11

United States1048 Posts

May 09 2012 04:49 GMT

#305

On May 06 2012 11:59 Djzapz wrote:

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On May 06 2012 10:38 Velocirapture wrote:

On May 06 2012 10:16 Djzapz wrote:

On May 06 2012 09:42 redviper wrote:

On May 06 2012 06:51 naastyOne wrote:
As such I`m a huge opponent of using taxpayers money as any sort of compensation for "moral suffering".

Paying medical bills? Definitely. Maybe even year or two after the incident.
Paying for the psychological "assistants" bills? Yes.
That will take care of the victim.

Paying him tenth of millions? NO.
These money are earned by other hard working people. These money should be resounable distributed etween people that need help. He is not the only one there.
Suffering doesn`t make you ellighable for getting rich for other`s people money.
There is a tonne of places where the state could use money. The fact that is, the amound of help a person recives should be reasonable.

Needless to say, the entire money-side of affair make me loose any sympathy I would otherwise have to the "victim".
Because the "victim" is just a greedy bastard who uses his suffering as "front" to get his hands on taxpayers money.
The entire idea that you put a price tag on tragedy, turning a it into the a money grab, is disgusting,
and I wish him loose the case, despite his suffering. While i do not have any sympathy for people that locked him down,
the fact that his unreasonably huge compensation will deny help to other people in need, make the "victim" far worse man in my viev.

The mistake that you are making is that you think the money is coming from other tax payers. It is not, atleast not directly. It is coming from the government which is the one who made this boy suffer. Suffering deserves compensation and the compensation should come from the perpetrator. Since we can't put the government in jail the best known method of punishing the government is to fine it huge amounts.

The amount has to be huge because the government's coffers are huge. A small fine will not have any deterrence impact on a rich government. Even if that means the city/state has to increase taxes and/or goes bankrupt the fine should still be imposed.

Once again its not tax payer money. Its government funds. He was tortured by the government he deserves appropriate compensation.

That's absurd. Public funds are public! The individuals who work at the government won't lose a second of sleep over this, because in the end they ALL get exactly the same salary. The only difference is that it puts a hole in the budget that needs to be filled somehow.

And how are such holes filled, you may ask? They'll increase the taxes, or they'll cut in services, or they'll borrow money for which you'll pay interests. So, who pays for all this? The tax payers - a few of them are government, most of them aren't and have absolutely NOTHING to do with the DEA... and a negligible part of the taxpayers are actually the offenders.

"The government" doesn't give a shit about losing money. It's their fault but it doesn't really affect them all that much, and probably not at all. Don't feel too bad for the government, they'll take the exact same amount of money home.

I dont understand how it is relevant at all that its taxpayer money. Fines HAVE to hurt those financing the establishment because they are the ones that can force change. Saying the individuals at the branch wont feel it is silly. And even if it were true, the point of the fine isnt to seek revenge on those responsible, its to make sure everything possible that can be done to prevent it is done and to take care of the victim. You better believe that the higher ups will take notice of the 20 million dollar gap in their budget and any discomfort they suffer in having to raise the amount will be passed down in the form of regulation and restructuring (which is the point). 20 million seems like a perfectly reasonable sum to force a move in this direction.

Which all leads back to what I said about Americans being too used to seeing large figures, so much so that you don't really know what they represent. You say that 20 millions "seems like a perfectly reasonable sum...", do you have any conception of the words "perfectly reasonable"? 20 millions of dollars is a perfectly reasonable sum of money to hire 750 people for a year --- or it can go toward handing out something symbolic to someone who was treated poorly, giving them a disproportionate amount of financial aid, large enough to fund a gross, materialistic life for decades. 2 millions would allow for the guy to live his entire life in relative luxury while still having a good sum leftover to pass on to his children, all on the tax payers dime. And the other 18 millions could actually go toward Doing Things. It's a HUGE amount of money, capable of having an extremely significant impact on society as a whole.

Furthermore, if you yank 20 millions from the DEA, it's going to be replaced with another 20 millions from the fed, or at the very least a VAST majority of the 20 millions, in which case the DEA will be under-budgeted. And so, while any "discipline" will help prevent other such mistakes, its lower budget will render the DEA less effective [not that I think the DEA should exist anyway] and by having a lower budget, will perhaps fail at doing its purpose as effectively or will be more prone to different mistakes due to lower staff or lower resources.

The higher ups would have a lot on their hands, because they'll have to do all the budget cuts and perhaps they'll have to fire people, and lower other people's salaries even though it wasn't their fault in the slightest.

Honestly I think a big part of the BIG MONEY LAWSUITS in America has to do with the lack of a social safety net. If people get hurt and can't support themselves, society sure isn't going to, so either they have to sue and win big enough to take care of themselves for life, or just suffer forever if they don't die prematurely. While that might not be as applicable in this case, on the other hand the fact that almost any monetarty punishment will be essentially a slap on the wrist for nearly torturing a man to death would be a factor.

WombaT

Northern Ireland27471 Posts

May 09 2012 05:11 GMT

#306

On May 09 2012 13:34 heliusx wrote:

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intl media has been fixated on the usa for some time now. I'm sure per capita its just as bad elsewhere.

While I'm usually the first to trot out such a line, in this case I'd considered it and still think it seems to be disproportionately prevalent in the States. This isn't a bash at the US by any means, perhaps our police are less liable to do these kinds of things because they're busy colluding with media outlets in stalking celebrities?

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46629 Posts

May 09 2012 05:18 GMT

#307

On May 02 2012 14:13 Antimatterz wrote:
What the fuck? Honestly, how do you just forget about someone you are detaining? That is like taking your cat and putting in a room to punish it for shitting on the carpet, only to not take it out for like a week while not giving it anything it needs.

Yeah x.x This is just plain terrifying. I don't even understand how this is possible.

danl9rm

United States3111 Posts

May 09 2012 05:31 GMT

#308

On May 09 2012 14:11 Wombat_NI wrote:

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Don't forget also... you'll never hear news of this in Russia, China, etc., etc., because their press doesn't exactly work like ours.

WombaT

Northern Ireland27471 Posts

May 09 2012 05:45 GMT

#309

On May 09 2012 14:31 danl9rm wrote:

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Don't forget also... you'll never hear news of this in Russia, China, etc., etc., because their press doesn't exactly work like ours.

Well of course, but anybody here who doesn't already know of the rampant corruption in those countries.... well I don't know what to say to those people.