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On August 11 2012 04:46 Azuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:45 WniO wrote:
OkkkkKkkK I'll post one more time. Can someone explain why Obama's birth certificate was never examined closer when he released it? If you zoom up really close or in pdf format you can clearly see its been edited, (computer black text over gray blue real ink.) Dozens of layers used etc etc. I know there was a post on to a long ways back that pointed to a YouTube video explaining all the faults, but no one can tell me that was just scanned in like that, those special scanners only make a background layer and a text layer, not 50 layers... you can go to white house.gov or search google, and look at the thing itself. Li,e I said before idc if he was born elsewhere, but I'm surprised this never got solved. If it was real then wouldn't you think they would just scan it normally without editing I mean it just screams fake. I'm not an expert in photoshop or layers or anything but my reasoning is that if he was looking to fool people, a person with his resources could have made it indistinguishable from a real one. If he wanted to forge it, you'd never know. I don't claim to know whether or not it's been digitally altered, but I doubt they just threw it into the scanner and uploaded it. That doesn't mean it isn't real.
Yeah been looking around, lots of ppl think he put it out there clearly edited just to make people look bad when saying its fake, cause I'm not gonna lie, I sound like an idiot, but its definetly not just scanned, there was some editing, and I'd like to know why for sure. OK I guess I'm done here, it for now I'm still not convinced. I'd wish ppl actually looked t it before writing the idea off.
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On August 11 2012 04:21 WniO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:18 Defacer wrote:On August 11 2012 04:10 WniO wrote:On August 11 2012 04:04 kwizach wrote:On August 11 2012 04:00 WniO wrote:On August 11 2012 03:57 Nymphaceae wrote:On August 11 2012 03:53 DamnCats wrote:On August 11 2012 03:45 WniO wrote:
OkkkkKkkK I'll post one more time. Can someone explain why Obama's birth certificate was never examined closer when he released it? If you zoom up really close or in pdf format you can clearly see its been edited, (computer black text over gray blue real ink.) Dozens of layers used etc etc. I know there was a post on to a long ways back that pointed to a YouTube video explaining all the faults, but no one can tell me that was just scanned in like that, those special scanners only make a background layer and a text layer, not 50 layers... you can go to white house.gov or search google, and look at the thing itself. Li,e I said before idc if he was born elsewhere, but I'm surprised this never got solved. If it was real then wouldn't you think they would just scan it normally without editing I mean it just screams fake. It gets solved when fox news tells us it gets solved. NOT A MINUTE FUCKING BEFORE. Chop to it then oompa loompa. We need you on air stat! ... have any of you actually looked at it in illustrator or just PDF? Godamnit tell me how that's not fake, ink up close it not fucking perfect black. It's not a fake. That's why I posted, please show me so I can see, cause literally I was In the same boat u til I actually opened it up, I mean hell just zoom in and you will see my point. Please please someone tell me how its not fake. Its really that simple. JUST LOOK AT IT. link pls. I have been working as a graphic designer for 14 years, and have Illustrator and Acrobat right in front of me. ThNk you! I only have tablet atm but here http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
Alright, I reviewed the PDF. I have to keep this short because I should be working right now.
When you open up the PDF all the objects are grouped together into a single object. When you open up that object you'll see multiple layers, most notably:
a single color-patterned background
a bitmap image layer for typewriter text
some grayscale image layers for areas around stamps and signatures
Explanation
1) The color-patterned, clipped background is a layer added to the scan sometime in the past 20 years. It has been added to prevent easy photocopying or reproduction at a government office somewhere. It's a cheap and dirty way to deter counterfeiting, and not abnormal.
2) The original birth certificate was likely typed on a typewriter, on some kind of paper certificate with it's own anti-theft features. At some point in the past 20 years, the government of Hawaii probably digitized all their records. In order to scan this information, you would have to do this at a high-contrast in order for it to be legible and ignore whatever texture or pattern the original certificate may have had. As a result, the quality of the scan would be fairly shitty.
3) The bitmap or 100% black is easily explained by how grayscale PDFs are optimized, or by OCR (Optical Character Recognition) scanning, which allows computers to search, recognize and convert text found in images.
OCR scanners and PDF optimization works by separating out the darkest parts of an image into a single bitmap (or a 1-bit, black & transparent image).
In fact, you can try it yourself!
If you open any Grayscale image that includes black text in Acrobat, launch the Document Processing Tools, and select Optimize Scanned PDF, it will give you the option to 'make searchable by OCR'.
Now save the PDF and open it in Illustrator. You'll find that your previously flat image has been automatically separated and optimized into a bitmap layer and miscellaneous grayscale layers, JUST LIKE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I hope that addresses your concerns, and has broken the hearts of conspiracy theorists everywhere.
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On August 11 2012 01:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Mitt Romney wants to boast about his signature policy achievement — universal health care in Massachusetts — but the right won’t let him.
It’s no secret that Romney has an uneasy alliance with the conservative base. But the movement’s reaction when he nodded at Romneycare wasn’t an isolated freakout about the one issue they disagree on. It was a warning to Romney that he veers from orthodoxy at his peril.
When it became clear that Romney would be the GOP nominee, the right, suspicious of his moderate past, undertook an effort to rob him of his governing agency. That’s included constraining his options on everything from tax policy to his vice presidential pick. The clamor when he claimed credit for Romneycare exemplifies what happens when he bucks those constraints.
“We are not auditioning for fearless leader,” Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. “We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”
Norquist went on: “Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.”
Those are the marching orders, and thus far they’ve controlled Romney’s campaign. Romney’s health care heresy was the biggest breach, and the right’s reaction was swift and demeaning — one compared it, in a widely approved tweet, to housebreaking a dog. Source
(About the Romney Puppet article). I really think this is what the election is for. The real battle is over the control Republicans will have in the House and possibly Senate, and if we'll have a buffer for those policies. Nobody is really excited about Obama on the left, because the right stonewalls all of his policy suggestions and he seems convinced that a more legislative approach is what he should get behind. On the flip side, Republicans generally don't like Romney. He's been traditionally a moderate Republican, while his party cannibalizes itself in semi-reform through the electing of radical Tea Party candidates.
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Thank you Defacer for a good explanation of the artifacts that appear in Obama's birth certificate. If only there was a way to bookmark your post for all future birther outbursts.
I went to camp a few years ago with a kid named Kevin. I didn't know him very well. Turned out his online alias was Kevjumba, and he had a couple million subscribers on Youtube. His dad was also the dodgeball referee. Do I remember him? No. Is his signature in my yearbook? Yup.
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On August 11 2012 05:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thank you Defacer for a good explanation of the artifacts that appear in Obama's birth certificate. If only there was a way to bookmark your post for all future birther outbursts.
I went to camp a few years ago with a kid named Kevin. I didn't know him very well. Turned out his online alias was Kevjumba, and he had a couple million subscribers on Youtube. His dad was also the dodgeball referee. Do I remember him? No. Is his signature in my yearbook? Yup.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15796046
Bookmark that.
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On August 11 2012 05:11 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thank you Defacer for a good explanation of the artifacts that appear in Obama's birth certificate. If only there was a way to bookmark your post for all future birther outbursts.
I went to camp a few years ago with a kid named Kevin. I didn't know him very well. Turned out his online alias was Kevjumba, and he had a couple million subscribers on Youtube. His dad was also the dodgeball referee. Do I remember him? No. Is his signature in my yearbook? Yup. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15796046Bookmark that.
I was referring more to the fact that the OP is banned and can't add things like Defacer's post to it.
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On August 11 2012 05:26 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:11 JinDesu wrote:On August 11 2012 05:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thank you Defacer for a good explanation of the artifacts that appear in Obama's birth certificate. If only there was a way to bookmark your post for all future birther outbursts.
I went to camp a few years ago with a kid named Kevin. I didn't know him very well. Turned out his online alias was Kevjumba, and he had a couple million subscribers on Youtube. His dad was also the dodgeball referee. Do I remember him? No. Is his signature in my yearbook? Yup. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15796046Bookmark that. I was referring more to the fact that the OP is banned and can't add things like Defacer's post to it.
Ah ok - sorry for misunderstanding.
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On August 11 2012 05:27 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:26 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 11 2012 05:11 JinDesu wrote:On August 11 2012 05:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Thank you Defacer for a good explanation of the artifacts that appear in Obama's birth certificate. If only there was a way to bookmark your post for all future birther outbursts.
I went to camp a few years ago with a kid named Kevin. I didn't know him very well. Turned out his online alias was Kevjumba, and he had a couple million subscribers on Youtube. His dad was also the dodgeball referee. Do I remember him? No. Is his signature in my yearbook? Yup. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15796046Bookmark that. I was referring more to the fact that the OP is banned and can't add things like Defacer's post to it. Ah ok - sorry for misunderstanding.
npnp
if i bookmarked every good post on tl, my computer would have exploded by now!
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On August 11 2012 04:45 aksfjh wrote:Just kinda want to park this here for my own future reference next time the debate involving "He had a super majority!" comes up. http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/08/things-wrong-with-hassett-hubbard-mankiw-and-taylor-the-romney-program-for-economic-recovery-growth-and-jobs.htmlShow nested quote +There were at least seven Democratic senators in 2009-2010—Baucus, Landrieu, Lincoln, Bayh, Nelson, Pryor, Spector, Webb—who were “professionally bipartisan” in that they would not vote for cloture in any but the most extraordinary circumstances without Republicans voting by their side. Unless the Democrats could peel off a Collins, a Snowe, or a Voinovich, they had not a filibuster-proof working majority of 60 but rather a filibuster-vulnerable working majority of 53.
You might also want this
In your response to this lie, there were two other things that you missed. The first was the contested Senate election in Minnesota that prevented Al Franken from being sworn in until July 08, 2009. The second was the death of Ted Kennedy on August 25, 2009, which again denied Dems 60 senators until Paul Kirk was sworn in Sept. 25. He was replaced by Republican Scott Brown on Feb 4, 2010. So, not only did the Dems not have the seven you mentioned, but they only had 60 Dem senators period for 131 days, barely more than a third of one year.
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Mitt Romney, battered by Democratic attacks over his Bain Capital record and taxes, is calling on President Obama to agree to a truce over his business career.
“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.
Romney said he would prefer the campaigns “only talk about issues,” and claimed that “our ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … We haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul offered up a broader take on whether Romney was really suggesting that his career at Bain Capital — the crux of his argument that he is better equipped to handle the economy — should be considered off-limits.
“The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign,” Saul said in an e-mail.
While Romney has bristled at attacks on his time at Bain, especially a recent Democratic super PAC ad implying he bears responsibility for a woman’s death, he’s also made his business record a critical component of his campaign, arguably the critical component. From his campaign’s earliest days, Romney argued repeatedly that voters should elect him because of his private-sector experience, crediting his investments in Bain with creating 100,00 jobs (a claim that fact-checkers have heavily disputed).
“Look, I would not be in this race had I spent my life in politics alone,” Romney said at an October primary debate. “Nothing wrong with that, of course, but right now, with the American people in the kind of financial crisis they are in, they need someone who knows how to create jobs, and I do.”
Source
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why would they do that when the only things they did in 08 were - obama is a muslim, obama isn't american, etc etc. haha he does not want to release those returns does he...
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So Romney throws in the towel?
He cant campaign on his economic plans because they have been shutdown by everyone,
He cant change them or Dems will just say he doesnt know what he is doing.
He cant campaign agaisnt Obamacare cause he did the same thing.
All he had was his business background and thats suppose to become a non issue?
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Lols i remember when the birth certificate first came out and some nerd "Adobe Illustrator Expert" made a youtube showing how it was fake cause of the odd layers and everyone believed him.
Sadly the dude wasn't a "PDF expert" and thought PDFs were just pixel by pixel copies...
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On August 11 2012 07:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Mitt Romney, battered by Democratic attacks over his Bain Capital record and taxes, is calling on President Obama to agree to a truce over his business career.
“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.
Romney said he would prefer the campaigns “only talk about issues,” and claimed that “our ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … We haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul offered up a broader take on whether Romney was really suggesting that his career at Bain Capital — the crux of his argument that he is better equipped to handle the economy — should be considered off-limits.
“The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign,” Saul said in an e-mail.
While Romney has bristled at attacks on his time at Bain, especially a recent Democratic super PAC ad implying he bears responsibility for a woman’s death, he’s also made his business record a critical component of his campaign, arguably the critical component. From his campaign’s earliest days, Romney argued repeatedly that voters should elect him because of his private-sector experience, crediting his investments in Bain with creating 100,00 jobs (a claim that fact-checkers have heavily disputed).
“Look, I would not be in this race had I spent my life in politics alone,” Romney said at an October primary debate. “Nothing wrong with that, of course, but right now, with the American people in the kind of financial crisis they are in, they need someone who knows how to create jobs, and I do.” Source
This is just getting sad.
It brings to mind Michael Tomasky's merciless (and troll-irific) Newsweek article wondering if Romney was too big a puss to be president.
The Wimp Factor
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On August 11 2012 07:46 DannyJ wrote:
Lols i remember when the birth certificate first came out and some nerd "Adobe Illustrator Expert" made a youtube showing how it was fake cause of the odd layers and everyone believed him.
Sadly the dude wasn't a "PDF expert" and thought PDFs were just pixel by pixel copies...
Immediately upon opening the PDF in Illustrator I recognized that the layers were simply artifacts from an optimized PDF. Only a complete nut would think otherwise.
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On August 11 2012 07:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Mitt Romney, battered by Democratic attacks over his Bain Capital record and taxes, is calling on President Obama to agree to a truce over his business career.
“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.
Romney said he would prefer the campaigns “only talk about issues,” and claimed that “our ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … We haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul offered up a broader take on whether Romney was really suggesting that his career at Bain Capital — the crux of his argument that he is better equipped to handle the economy — should be considered off-limits.
“The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign,” Saul said in an e-mail.
While Romney has bristled at attacks on his time at Bain, especially a recent Democratic super PAC ad implying he bears responsibility for a woman’s death, he’s also made his business record a critical component of his campaign, arguably the critical component. From his campaign’s earliest days, Romney argued repeatedly that voters should elect him because of his private-sector experience, crediting his investments in Bain with creating 100,00 jobs (a claim that fact-checkers have heavily disputed).
“Look, I would not be in this race had I spent my life in politics alone,” Romney said at an October primary debate. “Nothing wrong with that, of course, but right now, with the American people in the kind of financial crisis they are in, they need someone who knows how to create jobs, and I do.” Source
That is absolutely hilarious. Every single personal thing about Obama has already been dismissed or no one cares. He's the one with a bunch of "personal" stuff that works against him. Pretty interesting to see him actually go so far as to ask for the attacks to stop. Blood is in the water!
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On August 11 2012 07:52 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Mitt Romney, battered by Democratic attacks over his Bain Capital record and taxes, is calling on President Obama to agree to a truce over his business career.
“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.
Romney said he would prefer the campaigns “only talk about issues,” and claimed that “our ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … We haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul offered up a broader take on whether Romney was really suggesting that his career at Bain Capital — the crux of his argument that he is better equipped to handle the economy — should be considered off-limits.
“The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign,” Saul said in an e-mail.
While Romney has bristled at attacks on his time at Bain, especially a recent Democratic super PAC ad implying he bears responsibility for a woman’s death, he’s also made his business record a critical component of his campaign, arguably the critical component. From his campaign’s earliest days, Romney argued repeatedly that voters should elect him because of his private-sector experience, crediting his investments in Bain with creating 100,00 jobs (a claim that fact-checkers have heavily disputed).
“Look, I would not be in this race had I spent my life in politics alone,” Romney said at an October primary debate. “Nothing wrong with that, of course, but right now, with the American people in the kind of financial crisis they are in, they need someone who knows how to create jobs, and I do.” Source That is absolutely hilarious. Every single personal thing about Obama has already been dismissed or no one cares. He's the one with a bunch of "personal" stuff that works against him. Pretty interesting to see him actually go so far as to ask for the attacks to stop. Blood is in the water!
Geez, a guy asks for the personal attacks to stop and your first instinct is to attack more? Kind of a jerk, aren't you?
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On August 11 2012 09:02 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:52 Mohdoo wrote:On August 11 2012 07:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Mitt Romney, battered by Democratic attacks over his Bain Capital record and taxes, is calling on President Obama to agree to a truce over his business career.
“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.
Romney said he would prefer the campaigns “only talk about issues,” and claimed that “our ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … We haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul offered up a broader take on whether Romney was really suggesting that his career at Bain Capital — the crux of his argument that he is better equipped to handle the economy — should be considered off-limits.
“The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign,” Saul said in an e-mail.
While Romney has bristled at attacks on his time at Bain, especially a recent Democratic super PAC ad implying he bears responsibility for a woman’s death, he’s also made his business record a critical component of his campaign, arguably the critical component. From his campaign’s earliest days, Romney argued repeatedly that voters should elect him because of his private-sector experience, crediting his investments in Bain with creating 100,00 jobs (a claim that fact-checkers have heavily disputed).
“Look, I would not be in this race had I spent my life in politics alone,” Romney said at an October primary debate. “Nothing wrong with that, of course, but right now, with the American people in the kind of financial crisis they are in, they need someone who knows how to create jobs, and I do.” Source That is absolutely hilarious. Every single personal thing about Obama has already been dismissed or no one cares. He's the one with a bunch of "personal" stuff that works against him. Pretty interesting to see him actually go so far as to ask for the attacks to stop. Blood is in the water! Geez, a guy asks for the personal attacks to stop and your first instinct is to attack more? Kind of a jerk, aren't you?
Personal attacks like Obama being a closet Muslim, socialist, fascist, commie, Kenyan over his whole presidency...? Republicans set the standard and now Romney wants to call a truce when he gets hammered? Don't feel bad in the slightest...
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It's amazing that after Defacer's post earlier today, none of the birther guys have posted  thanks defacer!
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