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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On November 08 2012 09:58 FeUerFlieGe wrote: I always thought it was nothing new that large amounts of african americans voted democrat. Why are people so surprised? A great Starcraft player might achieve a 75% win rate. They will never achieve 85% over a large number of games. Why? | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:01 hzflank wrote: A great Starcraft player might achieve a 75% win rate. They will never achieve 85% over a large number of games. Why? They might if the players went to "separate but equal" starcraft schools. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 08 2012 09:48 Souma wrote: It's no lie, some people do vote for Obama because he is black. But 88% of blacks voted for Kerry. How many blacks are actually voting for Obama just because he is black? Then ask yourself, how many whites are voting against Obama because he is black? Might be closer than you think. Think about it: half of the black people who voted for a republican in a white/white race switched to voting for a Democrat when he's black. Now imagine that happening with the white population. If the white people were as racially motivated with their vote as the black people have been for Obama, it would feel like 1957. I'm not saying there is no reason for them to vote Democrat, or even that it was sincerely a racial vote. But I do not doubt that a greater percentage of black people support him because of his skin color and not because of his policies. | ||
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Schvitzer
United States15 Posts
They voted for one of their own. And dont tell me Dems arnt as racist as Reps. Dems always bring up race first, ALWAYS. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:00 oneofthem wrote: your 41% is um meaningless compared to the 5% increase in black vote %. I do not believe so. Going from 50% to 55% is very different than going from 88% to 93%. If you cannot see why then I do not have the capacity to make you see it, as I can only deal with logic  ----Edit: I can fully accept that the shift was due to Romney and had nothing to do with Obama or race. However, I cannot accept that there was no massive shift because the numbers are right there. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 08 2012 09:21 KwarK wrote: Depends how they got informed and how well informed they are. If you started printing contains dihydrogen monoxide, dangerous in excessive quantities on pretty much everything then while they are more informed than they were before (they may not have looked closely at the ingredients to see water before) they're not sufficiently informed to go "that's water". More informed is not the same thing as informed enough. You're right about that. But as I understand it there is a clarity problem. People who want to know what food is gene modified can't readily see it. I see nothing wrong with improving clarity. Especially since there is already regulations for other stuff that is requiring labels, and they don't drive the costs up. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On November 08 2012 09:58 FeUerFlieGe wrote: I always thought it was nothing new that large amounts of african americans voted democrat. Why are people so surprised? Because we never had a Black President to blame this on before. Less facetiously, it should be noted that every Democratic president since 1964 has been from the South until Obama. It's been an old truism that Black voters aren't enough to propel a Democrat to office, it takes an old Southern boy (like say a preacher - Carter, governor - Clinton, ect) to turn some of those states from Red to Blue. Of course, Obama would still win this election without Virginia / Florida (the only two Southern states not called for Romney atm) so that points more towards shifting populations than he won b/c he's Black and Black voters bring the southern states (because again, they don't). | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
2012 93% 2008 95% 2004 88% 2000 90% 1996 84% 1992 83% 1988 86% 1984 90% 1980 85% http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:09 hzflank wrote: I do not believe so. Going from 50% to 55% is very different than going from 88% to 93%. If you cannot see why then I do not have the capacity to make you see it, as I can only deal with logic ----Edit: I can fully accept that the shift was due to Romney and had nothing to do with Obama or race. However, I cannot accept that there was no massive shift because the numbers are right there. not sure what you are trying to get at. if 95% instead of 90% voted for obama, let's say, that makes 1/19th of obama black voters accountable, in most favorable assumptions of noncolinearity, by race of the candidate. your way of presenting the numbers is simply silly | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Romney is black and obama is white, would romney have gotten 84% of the black votes? No off course not. Obama got the votes , first because he was a democrat, and 2nd because he was black. Off course there is some causation, denying that would be verry naive but the amount of people who actually changed their vote to democrat, only because obama is black is extremely small, the vast majority would have voted democratic annyway. I think the amount of white people , who would have voted democratic but voted republican because obama is black and romney is white is probably the same if not bigger. Now i dont know bluepanters research on this off course, but this is just a feeling  | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On November 08 2012 08:23 Antyee wrote: This video is a terrible waste of time... The rate of food-allergy is rising in every country, even in those where GMOs aren't used. So is cancer. People refuse to accept the fact that their poor way of living is the cause for all of this. Blaming it on random stuff won't help. It's just dumb. This video's only goal is to scare people. If they had any intention on teaching people about GMOs, they would have sent a scientist who explains how these work, and what makes them different. No, they send an unkown woman who starts out by saying how many children she has and how afraid she is that they might get hurt. You've obviously never seen a Ted Talk before... And if you have, you haven't seen many to understand how they work. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
All our information of Black voting data is self-reported, not the actual voter records (cuz you know, we have a secret ballot system). Which means there's a lot of statistical noise as well as bias when it comes to these numbers (statistical bias in the sample size that is). So a change of a few percentage points isn't all that meaningful. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:13 semantics wrote: Black vote % given to democrat 2008 95% 2004 88% 2000 90% 1996 84% 1992 83% Here you are friend, no 2008 or 2012 though, but not hard to place them. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jamHm.jpg) | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
Thank you. Yours Sincerely, The Rest of the World. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:13 semantics wrote: Black vote % given to democrat 2012 93% 2008 95% 2004 88% 2000 90% 1996 84% 1992 83% Ok i am somewhat convinced. Though i also see a general trend in the republican party becoming less atractive for black voters during the past 2 decades... Do you have the same numbers for % of white vote going to the republicans? then we could solve this interesting isue XoXiDe United States. November 08 2012 10:17. Posts 595 O this is even more data, its still verry difficult to draw conclusions from this though, as not only the colour of the candidate did change, the partys themselves also changed in a huge way over all these years. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 08 2012 10:04 BluePanther wrote: Think about it: half of the black people who voted for a republican in a white/white race switched to voting for a Democrat when he's black. Now imagine that happening with the white population. If the white people were as racially motivated with their vote as the black people have been for Obama, it would feel like 1957. I'm not saying there is no reason for them to vote Democrat, or even that it was sincerely a racial vote. But I do not doubt that a greater percentage of black people support him because of his skin color and not because of his policies. How can you even say that a greater percentage of black people support him because of his skin color when 88% of blacks voted for Kerry? Blacks have been overwhelmingly Democrat since FDR and more significantly so under LBJ. Obviously some people voted for Obama because he is black but a greater percentage? I call bullshit. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
If you care enough to cast a ballot that is going to have consequences affecting the world around you, then you should care enough to take the time to educate yourself. If you have ever seen Jay Leno's "Jay-Walking" segment then you know what I'm talking about. Its painful to know that the same people who can't tell you what countries border the United States are the same people deciding the fate of our nation. Civic responsibility is not just about exercising your personal freedoms, its about making responsible choices that are for the betterment of those around you (hint: you're not proving anything by casting your ballot just for the sake of doing so). Whether you voted for Romney or Obama is irrelevant in this discussion. What does matter is that the decisions we make are based on a factual understanding of the positions each candidate represent. If you say you're voting for Obama because immigration reform matters to you, then at the very least you should show some basic understanding of Obama and Romney's respective positions on the matter. Understanding based on facts, not what you heard on your favorite biased new station or your favorite celebrity say is paramount here. P.S. Calling it now, Marco Rubio 2016. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
since teh goal is eliminating, like u know, eliminating black republican voters. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
I think Mitt Romney failed in his campaign to appeal to minorities, even more so than McCain. But then again McCain was seen as less of the good ol' boy type and Romney's image in that regard this election was . . . yeah . . . | ||
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