EPTI agree entirely with SCST's arguments. Though I would eat a human being before I would eat a dog (I never would). Dogs are much more likable than human beings.
hahaha i agree
humans are fucking terrible ^^
Ethics of dog meat? - Page 34
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
I agree entirely with SCST's arguments. Though I would eat a human being before I would eat a dog (I never would). Dogs are much more likable than human beings. hahaha i agree humans are fucking terrible ^^ | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
[QUOTE]On April 18 2012 17:32 Hollow wrote: I agree entirely with SCST's arguments. Though I would eat a human being before I would eat a dog (I never would). Dogs are much more likable than human beings. hahaha i agree humans are fucking terrible ^^ [/QUOTE] Nice to know I'm not alone in my sanity with the two of you here.  | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:39 Waterflow wrote: hahaha i agree humans are fucking terrible ^^ Indeed. My feelings can be summed up with this Emil Cioran aphorism: “I would sometimes wish I were a cannibal – less for the pleasure of eating someone than for the pleasure of vomiting him.” | ||
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:00 SCST wrote: Good points but you're not addressing my argument. I'm arguing that it is immoral to eat dog based on the following logic: 1. Meat is all the same regardless of the animal 2. Humans are social and intelligent animals that exhibit joy, sadness, loyalty, love 3. Dogs are social and intelligent animals that exhibit joy, sadnness, loyalty, love 4. Humans do not eat humans because of these traits 5. Humans should not eat dogs because of these traits 6. Chickens and fish and livestock do not exhibit any of these traits therefore they are consumable On your point regarding cannabilism, I never argue'd otherwise. I'll quote you from my earlier post: The whole point of my statement was to illustrate that most human beings (but not on Team Liquid for some reason) consider dogs to be second to human beings in regards to value of life. I was implying that being so eager to eat meat regardless of moral perspective/judgement is a dangerous path, one step away from cannabilism. You just reinforced that point. All well and good, but there's something missing from your logical statement.. just as the point of cooking bronze leaguers.. if you found a human that had the social/intelligence of a chicken.. would you consider it up for consumption? there are those in hospitals that's nothing more than living meat.. no brain activity above the most basic functions.. by comparison a cow would be Howard... and a dog would be Sheldon or are there other things that holds back someone that loves to eat even dogs? By your logic.. it shouldnt be a problem.. but in normal cases there is. The poor thing in the hospital would not be eaten. Many would say "pull the plug and bury the body".. but who would say "so...who wants the leg?" By all probability the chef down at the dog meat diner at the corner would never even think about it.. and if he did, i would be concerned that it wasn't fido in those burgers.. sure you have an argument based on logic, but you don't add all the variables.. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:44 Hollow wrote: Indeed. My feelings can be summed up with this Emil Cioran aphorism: “I would sometimes wish I were a cannibal – less for the pleasure of eating someone than for the pleasure of vomiting him.” XD good one! Sometimes i have thought that what if "our" planet consisted of only animals in the first place and then we humans came from another planet to earth to totally devour it with our greed and selfishness. On the other hand i remember this movie i saw where aliens came to earth to destroy us cause we treat animals like shit. Don't remember the name of the movie though. | ||
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VL-Orion
Indonesia78 Posts
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:52 VL-Orion wrote: I am not okay with it (i have a german sheppard as a pet), but logically there is nothing wrong the consumption of dog meat so yeah =/ To me it is not logic to eat dogs or cats or whatever since im brought up with the fact that pets are something you love and nurture (not eat). There is different kinds of logic depending on what your personal opinion/experience is. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On April 18 2012 18:11 Waterflow wrote: To me it is not logic to eat dogs or cats or whatever since im brought up with the fact that pets are something you love and nurture (not eat). There is different kinds of logic depending on what your personal opinion/experience is. Even in countries like China, Korea, Vietnam where dog meat is very popular. Noone eats their pet!! This misunderstanding that alot of westerners have about Asian. We are all human being with affection to our pet, there is no way in hell people will eat their pet in normal circumstance. Also, dog meat is not a daily food compare to beef., pork, chicken. I love dog meat but I only eat it once every few months so as most other people in Vietnam. I asked my Korean rommate and he told me the same. | ||
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HellionDrop
281 Posts
On April 18 2012 17:35 SCST wrote: Good point, finally a valid argument against mine. I would strongly argue that 4 supercedes law and order greatly. Cannabilism has happened frequently en mass even in modern history . . . China, North Korea, Balkans, etc. We're talking relatively modern civilizations here, not tribal or ritual. Even during these massive famines when the only option was cannabilism, many people chose to die of starvation rather than eat their own. And in these cases when everyone was starving, laws against cannabilism meant nothing. These people chose not to eat their fellow humans on moral grounds alone. And the basis for that moral ground is without question the horror of killing a being that exhibits or seemingly exhibits feelings. If you feel comfortable killing and eating a creature that exhibits human-like traits (this is limited to only a few species on Earth) when other food sources are available, then it stands to reason that you are on the path to cannibilism and/or worse. basically, we don't eat our own kind for two reasons. first, for most poeople, another human aren't part of their diet. Second, we are conditioned not to eat dogs, not because we've genetically evolved. Carrying over the same argument to eating dogs , to you, people who do eat dogs are not civilized enough to realize their wrongdoing, but that's only because you are taught and they aren't. i am not trying to disprove your beliefs, but people don't neccessarily need to agree with you, so where do we draw the line? now we have laws to prevent cannibilism, (remember laws are rules to uphold social justice, so whether you believe cannibilsim/or w/e is right or wrong its prohibited) do you still think we are in danger to that path even if we decide to eat dogs? this question is of course contradicting, but my point is, your worry is needless. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On April 18 2012 18:27 Caphe wrote: Even in countries like China, Korea, Vietnam where dog meat is very popular. Noone eats their pet!! This misunderstanding that alot of westerners have about Asian. We are all human being with affection to our pet, there is no way in hell people will eat their pet in normal circumstance. Also, dog meat is not a daily food compare to beef., pork, chicken. I love dog meat but I only eat it once every few months so as most other people in Vietnam. I asked my Korean rommate and he told me the same. No ofcourse i know people in China, Korea, Vietnam and so on don't eat their pets. That's not what im saying eihter and not what i meant. I mean that i just see all dogs and cats like pets. So that's why i would never think of ever eating one. But some people might only see their own dog or cat as their pets and the rest not. So that's why they have no problem with eatin dog/cat as long as it's not their own pet. But as i said for me all dogs and animals are pets. I would never ever suggest that anyone in the entire world would eat their own pet. Never! You misunderstood me. | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On April 18 2012 19:03 IAttackYou wrote: Did you know that China, Korea, and Japan did not eat any beef until the western influence came? The main reason is that Asian culture evolved from agricultural society where bovine are heavily valued as tools to help plow the field for rice cultivation. It was outrageous to Asian culture to kill and eat a creature that offered so much utility to their daily lives. The European society however did not come from agricultural society, but hunter gatherer society. Just like how the bovines were being used as a tool for cultivation in Asia, dogs were used as tools for hunting in Europe. It is just simply unreasonable for each respective culture to simply kill what can benefit them so much. I personally love and respect all form of life on this earth and believe they are all valuable. I have no problem in people killing an animal if they are meant to be consumed. Nice little trivia, but it has no relevance whatsoever now to this thread. We have reached a point as a society that we can practically mass-produce anything we want. That is why the issue here is ethics, not practicality. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
Eating dog is rapidly disappearing in the world anyway, no need for anyone to get their blood pressure up screaming about how Asians are pet-eaters or whatever. Most of the dogs sold as food in China are not ex-pets, by the way. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On April 18 2012 19:13 Loanshark wrote: I'm Chinese and I have no problem with people wanting to eat dog meat. Personally, I do not eat it, have not eaten it, and this is the same for everyone in my family. Eating dog is rapidly disappearing in the world anyway, no need for anyone to get their blood pressure up screaming about how Asians are pet-eaters or whatever. Most of the dogs sold as food in China are not ex-pets, by the way. "no need for anyone to get their blood pressure up screaming about how Asians are pet-eaters or whatever" Has anyone even said that yet? I don't have the patience to look through all the comments. Saying that is just stupid anyways because it's only a very very low percent of the asian people doing it. | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
On April 18 2012 19:09 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Nice little trivia, but it has no relevance whatsoever now to this thread. We have reached a point as a society that we can practically mass-produce anything we want. That is why the issue here is ethics, not practicality. Well I can argue that our ethics comes from the different culture that we live in, and there is not one single ethics that governs all "right and wrong". To Asian culture, a dog is simply an animal just like what European culture consider a chicken. Would I feel comfortable eating a chicken if I have a really close pet chicken? It really comes down to the perspectic of different persons, and its not something people should condemn. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On April 18 2012 15:58 SCST wrote: Your post is confusing because you are not actually arguing anything. An argument requires logic, rationality and evidence. "One is human and one is a dog" does not in any way counter my statement as I am not arguing that humans and dogs are exactly the same? I'm stating that they both have meat and both exhibit similar social behavior. On your toddlers piece . . . . . . . um, since when are dogs slaves? Do you know the definition of slavery? Wait, why would I want to sell toddlers? My God I don't even know how to respond to this . . . . . . . . maybe you should consume more vegetables before posting? Killing a toddler is homicide and a society should not support the killing of its own--it ruins the point of having a society as opposed to having warring tribes. If you live in a world where at some point your neighbor is legally allowed to kill you--you'd leave that society. Its not a question about eating humans vs eating non-humans, its a question of legal murder or illegal murder. Dogs aren't human--so killing them isn't homicide. Killing them is no different than killing any other animal. | ||
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Khrey
United States38 Posts
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On April 18 2012 13:40 s_side wrote: A thread on animal cruelty in Asia would be absurdly long. Yep, so many depressing inhumane stories, I recall reading an article on a female orangutan that was shaved down and used for prostitution. http://www.vice.com/read/yo1-v14n10 | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On April 18 2012 15:08 anycolourfloyd wrote: you're assuming the nowhere is the world already dog. this is not the case, in korea they have (or at least used to have) a preference for eating dog rather than eating some other meats, for a variety of considerations. this isn't to say i want to try eating dog meat. i don't want to try eating dog meat. the whole point of the argument isn't whether we should be eating animals, it's whether it's fair to discriminate between dogs and other animals. the whole loyalty and sociability thing with dogs (and lets face it, the cute factor) is why we don't like the idea of eating dog meat. i find this a weak argument though. this is, really, so that we don't feel so bad about eating meat. i think it's more a selfish reasoning than a logical reasoning. interactions with the animal are determined by breeding, upbringing and time spent with the animal. i spent 6 weeks training a sheep for as part of a research project and i can say that even though it was "just a sheep" (which everybody is quite comfortable with farming for meat) it wasn't easy holding its throat for the lethal injection. edit: and the argument above me is specious at best. where do you draw the line? is it ok to eat afghan hounds, because they have a reputation for not being particularly intelligent? certainly we eat pigs, and they are not stupid. i'm fairly sure that the african tribes ate elephants and i'd suggest that if they were easier to breed, eating them would be much more commonplace. I can fully understand eating something if thats all that is available, but I am not in favor of eating something that is extremely unnecessary. I just dont understand why people need to add yet another living thing to their already vast list of edible animals etc. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 18 2012 19:03 IAttackYou wrote: Did you know that China, Korea, and Japan did not eat any beef until the western influence came? The main reason is that Asian culture evolved from agricultural society where bovine are heavily valued as tools to help plow the field for rice cultivation. It was outrageous to Asian culture to kill and eat a creature that offered so much utility to their daily lives. The European society however did not come from agricultural society, but hunter gatherer society. Just like how the bovines were being used as a tool for cultivation in Asia, dogs were used as tools for hunting in Europe. It is just simply unreasonable for each respective culture to simply kill what can benefit them so much. I personally love and respect all form of life on this earth and believe they are all valuable. I have no problem in people killing an animal if they are meant to be consumed. This is actually a lie, as beef was consumed in Korea. It was just prohibitively expensive for everyone except the aristocracy as the majority of the nation were agriculturalists. I'm pretty sure it was the same with China. I heard that the Japanese rarely ate beef as there actually was a law that prohibited the consumption of beef or something, but I can't verify this. On April 19 2012 10:59 eXigent. wrote: I can fully understand eating something if thats all that is available, but I am not in favor of eating something that is extremely unnecessary. I just dont understand why people need to add yet another living thing to their already vast list of edible animals etc. Dogs were always already on the list of edible animals, probably going back to the beginnings of their domestication. You can't add something to a list when it has always been there. | ||
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