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On April 18 2012 06:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 05:57 radscorpion9 wrote:On April 18 2012 05:24 ancientmariner wrote:
If I look at it from a purely logical standpoint, I would be fine with eating it, as dogs are animals like pigs or cows which I do eat. I still would not eat dog meat or even rabbit, because dogs and rabbits are more like cute pets (which I guess is a cultural thing). Then again, pigs are amazing and smart animals, so thinking about it saying I only eat certain kinds of meat is having unjustified double standards.
I guess the only solution is to continue not to think about it too much, or to stop eating meat entirely... (or to start considering to eat dog meat as well).
But pigs aren't really used as cute pets, so I think your standards are still fine. I beg to differ! ![[image loading]](http://www.1800-pet-shed.com/files/2012/03/What-You-Need-To-Know-About-Pet-Pigs.jpg)
That's a cutie
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On April 18 2012 10:31 Man with a Plan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 06:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On April 18 2012 05:57 radscorpion9 wrote:On April 18 2012 05:24 ancientmariner wrote:
If I look at it from a purely logical standpoint, I would be fine with eating it, as dogs are animals like pigs or cows which I do eat. I still would not eat dog meat or even rabbit, because dogs and rabbits are more like cute pets (which I guess is a cultural thing). Then again, pigs are amazing and smart animals, so thinking about it saying I only eat certain kinds of meat is having unjustified double standards.
I guess the only solution is to continue not to think about it too much, or to stop eating meat entirely... (or to start considering to eat dog meat as well).
But pigs aren't really used as cute pets, so I think your standards are still fine. I beg to differ! That's a cutie
Looks delicious, and I don't think pigs are skinned and cooked alive like cats and dogs are...
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as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question.
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On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question.
Time to make a new thread then, animal cruelty in Asia.
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On April 18 2012 11:56 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. Time to make a new thread then, animal cruelty in Asia.
You start the thread, I'll start taking bets on how long it takes before the mods close it to avoid getting RSI from banning people.
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I think people kind of jump over the whole question of how dog meat is produced for your consumption. Dogs are not herd animals such as sheep, cows, pigs. These dogs that you eat are either strays, family dogs gone missing, fur trade byproduct or a dog meat farm.
Now ask yourself how a dog meat farm will be run ... They can not be allowed to run around free, so forget about humane treatment. Look into what these farms look like and imagine the life of the animal before it ends up on your plate. If you have no empathy towards animals, especially animals bred to help us and a big factor in our early success as well as work mates for herding and as companions, then you might not give a second thought to how much suffering is needlessly put forth so you can taste dog meat and brag about it.
You might think the PETA videos of these farms from China and elsewhere in Asia especially are loaded, but they'll give you an idea of the worst of it. Are you sure where your meat is coming from, or do you even care ?
If you do not care how your food is produced I'd say you are a morally corrupt person.
Man has evolved beyond the Darwinian domain. We do not eat one animal or the other just to survive, except in rare cases. Personally.
If there ever will be stem cell produced steaks / cloned I'll switch over to that instantly.
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On April 18 2012 12:05 absalom86 wrote:
I think people kind of jump over the whole question of how dog meat is produced for your consumption. Dogs are not herd animals such as sheep, cows, pigs. These dogs that you eat are either strays, family dogs gone missing, fur trade byproduct or a dog meat farm.
Now ask yourself how a dog meat farm will be run ... They can not be allowed to run around free, so forget about humane treatment. Look into what these farms look like and imagine the life of the animal before it ends up on your plate. If you have no empathy towards animals, especially animals bred to help us and a big factor in our early success as well as work mates for herding and as companions, then you might not give a second thought to how much suffering is needlessly put forth so you can taste dog meat and brag about it.
You might think the PETA videos of these farms from China and elsewhere in Asia especially are loaded, but they'll give you an idea of the worst of it. Are you sure where your meat is coming from, or do you even care ?
If you do not care how your food is produced I'd say you are a morally corrupt person.
Man has evolved beyond the Darwinian domain. We do not eat one animal or the other just to survive, except in rare cases. Personally.
If there ever will be stem cell produced steaks / cloned I'll switch over to that instantly.
The thing is though, most pig/chicken/cow/whatever plants are nearly the exact same way if not worse. (The chicken ones are especially revolting.)
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On April 18 2012 12:10 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 12:05 absalom86 wrote:
I think people kind of jump over the whole question of how dog meat is produced for your consumption. Dogs are not herd animals such as sheep, cows, pigs. These dogs that you eat are either strays, family dogs gone missing, fur trade byproduct or a dog meat farm.
Now ask yourself how a dog meat farm will be run ... They can not be allowed to run around free, so forget about humane treatment. Look into what these farms look like and imagine the life of the animal before it ends up on your plate. If you have no empathy towards animals, especially animals bred to help us and a big factor in our early success as well as work mates for herding and as companions, then you might not give a second thought to how much suffering is needlessly put forth so you can taste dog meat and brag about it.
You might think the PETA videos of these farms from China and elsewhere in Asia especially are loaded, but they'll give you an idea of the worst of it. Are you sure where your meat is coming from, or do you even care ?
If you do not care how your food is produced I'd say you are a morally corrupt person.
Man has evolved beyond the Darwinian domain. We do not eat one animal or the other just to survive, except in rare cases. Personally.
If there ever will be stem cell produced steaks / cloned I'll switch over to that instantly. The thing is though, most pig/chicken/cow/whatever plants are nearly the exact same way if not worse. (The chicken ones are especially revoltings.)
I knew a guy who worked in a chicken farm, he literally would NOT eat chicken. Like, he'd skip meals in basic training before eating chicken. And that's just ridiculous.
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I wouldn't have a problem with eating dog meat(I owned 3 dogs btw). I don't view it any differently than eating chicken, beef, or any other type of meat.
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On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question.
I tend to disagree and my argument behind that is that we as humans already have possibly millions of combinations of different meals available to learn and cook and eat, with a extremely vast range of differing flavours etc. With that in mind, why would a person want to go ahead and kill another living animal simply to enjoy its meat? Is it necessary to add dog to already long list of meat available?
It just seems dumb to decide to kill and butcher another species of animal regardless if its a pet or not, just to enjoy the taste of that animal. It is not a necessity
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On April 18 2012 11:56 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. Time to make a new thread then, animal cruelty in Asia.
A thread on animal cruelty in Asia would be absurdly long.
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If I had a dog, I might not eat dog meat. This is just like how a lot of people in Taiwan don't eat beef, because they work in the fields with cows for their living.
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I'm going to get on a high horse (no pun intended) on this issue . . .
I feel like I'm in a huge minority here that absolutely has a problem with eating dog casually. It's clear to me from this thread that TL is very niche regarding this particular issue. The average person in North America and Europe would never approve of eating dog, and even South Korea is striving towards banning it (polling data reflects this).
These are domestic animals were talking about here, i.e. highly sociable, exhibiting emotions and traits such as loyalty, love, joy and sadness. It has very little to do with how "cuddly" and "cute" dogs are that stakes their place in modern civilizations. I mean seriously people, do we butcher human beings that aren't "cute" or "cudly" and eat them? If you're wiling to kill something that exhibits emotion and a high level of cogniftion (relative to the animal world), where do you draw the line?
Cows and chickens and fish are not sociable animals and have been bred specifically as livestock for consumption. They are not even remotely close to the intelligence of other animals (apes, dogs, dolphins, whales, horses). Honestly ask yourself, can you imagine a fish or a cow running to your aid when you're in need? Getting excited that you've come home, or staying by your the side of a dying relative until the bitter end? How can anyone not see the difference here?
I would strongly urge the people in this thread that seem to just want to "try something new" (and also those just trying to be agreeable in accepting other cultures) to at least heed the reasoning that Western Civilization has maintained against eating dogs, horses, dolphins, apes and other social animals. If you're willing to slaughter and eat creatures that exhibit behavior so close to that of yourself, then the taboo of cannabilism isn't that far removed from your reality. After all, when all "meat is just meat" then human flesh also qualifies.
Note on pigs: Though also bred for consumption, pigs are very sociable animals and almost on par with dogs in regards to intelligence. I am also strongly against the slaughter of pigs. I don't like the idea of eating any animals, and I wish that in the future we can evolve beyond this kind of thing.
Note on cannibalism vs. eating dogs: It is widely known in the research community that during the many starvation episodes throughout history there has been a strict pecking order in regards to animal consumption. Dogs are always, without fail, the last animal to be eaten by starving populations before humans begin eating humans. Even in Asia. Chew on that for a while.
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I didn't want to get into this topic but...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/obama-as-a-boy-ate-dog-meat/
Wow. How much more intolerant can you get? Come on its another culture. People need to learn to understand that food is food. Living things need sustenance to survive and killing other living things to survive is justifiable. Its not like they make CLOTHES out of dogs or anything.
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On April 18 2012 13:34 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. I tend to disagree and my argument behind that is that we as humans already have possibly millions of combinations of different meals available to learn and cook and eat, with a extremely vast range of differing flavours etc. With that in mind, why would a person want to go ahead and kill another living animal simply to enjoy its meat? Is it necessary to add dog to already long list of meat available?
So where do you draw the line there?
And let's say I start my list with dogs... Shouldn't I add chicken then because I already have other meat?
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On April 18 2012 14:35 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 13:34 eXigent. wrote:On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. I tend to disagree and my argument behind that is that we as humans already have possibly millions of combinations of different meals available to learn and cook and eat, with a extremely vast range of differing flavours etc. With that in mind, why would a person want to go ahead and kill another living animal simply to enjoy its meat? Is it necessary to add dog to already long list of meat available? So where do you draw the line there? And let's say I start my list with dogs... Shouldn't I add chicken then because I already have other meat?
Chickens are not intelligent or social animals. Very, very big difference. I don't blame you for not reading my long rant two posts above you, but there's a reason why Western Civilization does not approve of eating dogs, horses, dolphins, whales and apes. 
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On April 18 2012 13:34 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. I tend to disagree and my argument behind that is that we as humans already have possibly millions of combinations of different meals available to learn and cook and eat, with a extremely vast range of differing flavours etc. With that in mind, why would a person want to go ahead and kill another living animal simply to enjoy its meat? Is it necessary to add dog to already long list of meat available? It just seems dumb to decide to kill and butcher another species of animal regardless if its a pet or not, just to enjoy the taste of that animal. It is not a necessity
you're assuming the nowhere is the world already dog. this is not the case, in korea they have (or at least used to have) a preference for eating dog rather than eating some other meats, for a variety of considerations. this isn't to say i want to try eating dog meat. i don't want to try eating dog meat. the whole point of the argument isn't whether we should be eating animals, it's whether it's fair to discriminate between dogs and other animals.
the whole loyalty and sociability thing with dogs (and lets face it, the cute factor) is why we don't like the idea of eating dog meat. i find this a weak argument though. this is, really, so that we don't feel so bad about eating meat. i think it's more a selfish reasoning than a logical reasoning. interactions with the animal are determined by breeding, upbringing and time spent with the animal. i spent 6 weeks training a sheep for as part of a research project and i can say that even though it was "just a sheep" (which everybody is quite comfortable with farming for meat) it wasn't easy holding its throat for the lethal injection.
edit: and the argument above me is specious at best. where do you draw the line? is it ok to eat afghan hounds, because they have a reputation for not being particularly intelligent? certainly we eat pigs, and they are not stupid. i'm fairly sure that the african tribes ate elephants and i'd suggest that if they were easier to breed, eating them would be much more commonplace.
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On April 18 2012 15:08 anycolourfloyd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 13:34 eXigent. wrote:On April 18 2012 11:30 anycolourfloyd wrote:
as an animal lover, i'd like to find a legitimate argument against eating dog meat.. but i can't see it. there is no real difference between a dog and other animals that i am prepared to eat, save that dogs make more common pets and are often more domesticated.
the manner in which the meat is prepared is a different story, and not really relevant to this particular question. I tend to disagree and my argument behind that is that we as humans already have possibly millions of combinations of different meals available to learn and cook and eat, with a extremely vast range of differing flavours etc. With that in mind, why would a person want to go ahead and kill another living animal simply to enjoy its meat? Is it necessary to add dog to already long list of meat available? It just seems dumb to decide to kill and butcher another species of animal regardless if its a pet or not, just to enjoy the taste of that animal. It is not a necessity you're assuming the nowhere is the world already dog. this is not the case, in korea they have (or at least used to have) a preference for eating dog rather than eating some other meats, for a variety of considerations. this isn't to say i want to try eating dog meat. i don't want to try eating dog meat. the whole point of the argument isn't whether we should be eating animals, it's whether it's fair to discriminate between dogs and other animals. the whole loyalty and sociability thing with dogs (and lets face it, the cute factor) is why we don't like the idea of eating dog meat. i find this a weak argument though. this is, really, so that we don't feel so bad about eating meat. i think it's more a selfish reasoning than a logical reasoning. interactions with the animal are determined by breeding, upbringing and time spent with the animal. i spent 6 weeks training a sheep for as part of a research project and i can say that even though it was "just a sheep" (which everybody is quite comfortable with farming for meat) it wasn't easy holding its throat for the lethal injection.
:: pounces ::
Since according to your post sociability and intelligence is a "weak argument" against eating dogs, then I ask if you are against eating human flesh?
Intelligence and socialibility is what separates humans from other animals. If you are against eating human flesh (as I suspect), what is your justification for being against it?
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As long as they are put out in the most humane way possible, I don't see the problem with eating dogs, especially ones that are bred to be eaten.
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On April 18 2012 15:12 Dreamer.T wrote:
As long as they are put out in the most humane way possible, I don't see the problem with eating dogs, especially ones that are bred to be eaten.
Intelligent and social animals cannot be "bred" effectively as livestock to be eaten. You can google dog farms if you want. Research is key to understanding the massive differences between a fish/cow/chicken and a dog/horse/dolphin/ape.
If you maintain that dogs can be bred effectively as livestock, please provide proof.
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