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Scientists making attempt to Clone a Woolly Mammoth - Page 8

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forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
March 16 2012 00:58 GMT
#141
On March 16 2012 07:53 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
What exactly is the ethics issue here? Playing god? Not only is that the only real problem I can forsee, but it is also a stupid problem. The progression of science is synonymous with the progression of the human race. Evolution can no longer effectively occur with society (an erratic construct) dictating who we should mate with. I don't want to see my species stuck in a dead end until we can deplete the Earth of its resources and thus destroy ourselves.


AI is outpacing humans anyway so it's not like if we magically went back to a time when "natural" selection was predominant it's not really gonna matter anymore.
bioniK
Profile Joined November 2010
United States65 Posts
March 16 2012 00:59 GMT
#142
Everytime I see shit like this I first think "Oh thats cool" but then I realize it has absolutely no point. I'm not sure if science is put to good use by making cool shit.
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
March 16 2012 01:10 GMT
#143
On March 16 2012 09:59 bioniK wrote:
Everytime I see shit like this I first think "Oh thats cool" but then I realize it has absolutely no point. I'm not sure if science is put to good use by making cool shit.

Think of the amount of meat these mammoths will have, and the tusks, and the pelts, and the bones. They're a walking department store - you can make everything from furniture and clothing to breakfast out of them.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
March 16 2012 01:12 GMT
#144
Is there any reason why this is more difficult than any other cloning? Cause I want, no, NEED this to happen.
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
March 16 2012 01:14 GMT
#145
On March 16 2012 10:10 -_-Quails wrote:
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On March 16 2012 09:59 bioniK wrote:
Everytime I see shit like this I first think "Oh thats cool" but then I realize it has absolutely no point. I'm not sure if science is put to good use by making cool shit.

Think of the amount of meat these mammoths will have, and the tusks, and the pelts, and the bones. They're a walking department store - you can make everything from furniture and clothing to breakfast out of them.


Mammoths do not have more meat than a standard elephant.. The woollen mammoth grows as big as 3 meters tall, same as a fully grown male elephant. The reason why people think they have more meat, is because of their dense fur, that makes them look way bulkier than elephants.

You could say the same exact thing about elephants "They have loads meat, tusks you can make stuff out" - Except you then get shot by enviromentalists ;-)
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 01:19:44
March 16 2012 01:18 GMT
#146
its more difficult because the DNA is likely fragmented and damaged and if its fragmented how are you going to put it back together in the proper order without reasonable comparison from a genome database of wooly mammoth. cloning a sheep is much easier to do so than something like this (to counter what some of the wiki scientists said on the first page). that said idk how damaged the DNA is, but i imagine it is completely different from what a living mammoth has

personally i don't see the big deal with cloning and ethics issues, I can see some people thinking this is bad and will effect the ecosystem too much if they try to make new species / reintroduce extinct species into our environment and i do agree with that, but i doubt that scientists are trying to do that lol. i really doubt it will work
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OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
March 16 2012 01:18 GMT
#147
the issue is where are they going to keep the clone if they are letting live to maturity.
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tdynasty
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada220 Posts
March 16 2012 01:22 GMT
#148
i hope someday we can bring back dinosaurs to life, make mars inhabitable and have a real fucking zoo.

Also, immortality please.
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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 01:43:38
March 16 2012 01:36 GMT
#149
On March 16 2012 09:59 bioniK wrote:
Everytime I see shit like this I first think "Oh thats cool" but then I realize it has absolutely no point. I'm not sure if science is put to good use by making cool shit.


Why do we do these things? Because humans are awesome. Our reason is that nature has told us that woolly mammoths are extinct. WELL WHO THE HELL MADE NATURE THE BOSS?? FUCK YOU NATURE I WANT A MAMMOTH!

Nature ain't the boss of humans. Nature doesn't get to tell humans they can't fly, or can't go to the fuckin' moon.

Fuck nature. Fuck yea science. That's the best reason we have for doing anything.

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Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 01:53:13
March 16 2012 01:49 GMT
#150
clone dinosaurs or GTFO! but mammoths are good enough.
:D
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 14:11:36
March 16 2012 14:10 GMT
#151
In b4 ice age park. fuck nature we humans are the boss here
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
March 16 2012 14:14 GMT
#152
am I the only one hearing the jurassic park's music ?

dun-dun, dun-dun, du du du....
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
March 16 2012 14:21 GMT
#153
On March 16 2012 23:14 oGoZenob wrote:
am I the only one hearing the jurassic park's music ?

dun-dun, dun-dun, du du du....

it was a great song
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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
March 16 2012 14:29 GMT
#154
On March 16 2012 09:59 bioniK wrote:
Everytime I see shit like this I first think "Oh thats cool" but then I realize it has absolutely no point. I'm not sure if science is put to good use by making cool shit.

uh, what is the point of doing anything?

case closed?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
March 16 2012 14:31 GMT
#155
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?

Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
March 16 2012 14:32 GMT
#156
On March 16 2012 10:12 TALegion wrote:
Is there any reason why this is more difficult than any other cloning? Cause I want, no, NEED this to happen.


So with cloning, the idea is to duplicate the entire genome of an organism such that another organism develops according to the exact same genetic information and expression programs. It's tricky though, for so many reasons. For starters, there are all of these other modifications to DNA that occur throughout life of an organism, which largely fall into the category of epigenetic modification. Basically there are little changes that affect DNA, which don't actually alter the sequence of the DNA, such as the addition of little acetyl or methyl groups to the DNA, which are attached covalently to the DNA structure and bases by enzymatic processes. These little changes are essentially just as significant as changes in DNA sequence, with regard to their effect on development and resulting phenotype and characteristics by controlling gene expression.

So here's the basic gist of how cloning goes down: Basically to clone something, you want to start by harvesting the genomic DNA of the dood you want to clone. You want the entire sequence of genomic DNA because that is what is required for cloning. In the mammoth's case, I'm assuming that they don't have an entire set of genomic DNA, which includes not only coding regions for genes, but also all the "dark" regions of "junk" DNA, which we're now understanding as being just as significant as coding region DNA. So that's one problem -- the lack of intact genomic DNA. Moving on though: The next thing you want to do is to somehow get all of the genomic DNA to revert back to a more "potent" state, or to a state that enables gene expression equivalent to gene expression in the developing organism. It is believed that epigenetic modifications, which occur throughout the life of the organism, have an impact on gene expression and probably contribute to distinctions between nascent, potent cells, versus somatic cells with the same genetic information, which are more restricted in potential. So for example, embryonic stem cells -- these guys have the exact same genetic information, or DNA, as somatic adult cells derived from the same organism after development, but these embryonic stem cells have drastically different epigenetic landscapes versus the somatic, adult cells, which entails dramatically different gene expression programs. Even adult stem cells likely don't express the same genes in maintenance of potency and fate as those genes expressed by embryonic stem cells during development. So the idea is to take genomic DNA from the dood you're cloning, make it similar to the state of DNA in a developing embryo, and then put it in a surrogate organism. You can just use regular somatic adult cell DNA, and toss it directly into an enucleated oocyte and hope for the best. Maybe you'd get 1% viability in your cloned organisms, but I'm betting they'd die off relatively quickly, as in the case of Dolly the sheep in the 90s, in addition to just about every other cloned animal -- and this death would be due to sickly development entailed by aberrant epigenetic landscape of the transplanted donor DNA. You'd have better success using the DNA of an embryonic stem cell. You'd have slightly less success using an induced-pluripotent adult stem-like cell, or even an actual adult stem cell. It's all sort of a mystery, which is why overall the success rate is never much above 2% for viable cloned animals.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
March 16 2012 14:34 GMT
#157
On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?

Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life.

The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this.
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Macpo
Profile Joined September 2010
453 Posts
March 16 2012 14:35 GMT
#158
next step : cloning an ultralisk from virtual dna.
"Courage consists, however, in agreeing to flee rather than live tranquilly and hypocritically in false refuges." G. Deleuze
Dr_Strange
Profile Joined April 2009
United States80 Posts
March 16 2012 14:35 GMT
#159
On March 15 2012 22:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
We've been cloning shit since like 1980.


Humans have actually been cloning since ancient times.
I am the sorcerer supreme.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
March 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#160
On March 16 2012 23:35 Dr_Strange wrote:
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On March 15 2012 22:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
We've been cloning shit since like 1980.


Humans have actually been cloning since ancient times.


Genetic Engineering on some level has been around since humans domesticated stuff.
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