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On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this.
No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that.
Imo it's just fucked up because I don't see what we will do with the mammoth afterwards. It's just entertainment ? We cloned it, great, let's put it in a zoo.
Knowing how to do it and improving our technology in order to control cloning the best way possible and doing it for no fucking purpose are two completly different mindset.
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On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that.
Hey the more that we have control over the surrounding, the better right?
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On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that.
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE"
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On March 17 2012 23:00 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. Hey the more that we have control over the surrounding, the better right?
And cloning a mammoth will help in... what way exactly ? Will it give food to starving kids in africa ? Will it help us go through global warming or anything else. It has no purpose at all except showing off. That's what makes me uneasy.
On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. "HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE"
Read my post entirely plz
Knowing how to do it and improving our technology in order to control cloning the best way possible and doing it for no fucking purpose are two completly different mindset.
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I dunno I think everyone is kinda curious as to what a mammoth was like kinda like how people were curious what being on the moon was like.
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On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE"
Read my post entirely plz
I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident?
Stop being so close minded and retrogressive.
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On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive.
You whole argument doesn't mean anything.
Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but that kind of thinking is retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? It's only going against further progress in science !
There are no purpose into cloning a man except knowing "we can do it". But nobody is against the idea of cloning some organe for transplant, that's a purpose.
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On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ?
Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?
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On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote:
Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime
I can die a happy man if I live to see a Dinosaur, albeit cloned or not.
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On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?
I don't really care about your personnal point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.
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On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.
Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! What a marvelous way to say you can't use proper argumentation, and give up!
Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?
User was warned for this post
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On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning. Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?
Seriously ?
I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy.
PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?
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On March 17 2012 23:02 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:00 Xiphos wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. Hey the more that we have control over the surrounding, the better right? And cloning a mammoth will help in... what way exactly ? Will it give food to starving kids in africa ? Will it help us go through global warming or anything else. It has no purpose at all except showing off. That's what makes me uneasy. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. "HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz Show nested quote +Knowing how to do it and improving our technology in order to control cloning the best way possible and doing it for no fucking purpose are two completly different mindset.
Think of it as a test. Sure the actual product, the mammoth, isn't going to help us, but confirmation of whatever underlying theories we're assuming going into this cloning project will. It's better that our understanding is confirmed even slightly than untested when the time comes for us to apply our knowledge in ways that could seriously harm or benefit us.
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On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning. Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh? Seriously ? I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy. PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.
Regarding Portuguese war history, go read up on the Peninsular War. God, you could at least be aware of your own country's history..
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On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:
"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning. Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh? Seriously ? I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy. PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ? Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.
No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.
About Portugal I was teasing you, but there it's a fact my country have a way more important military history and actually won more than any european country, so the "white flag" bullshit is like pissing in a violin. Don't come with the all america argument at me again please.
On March 17 2012 23:16 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:02 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:00 Xiphos wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. Hey the more that we have control over the surrounding, the better right? And cloning a mammoth will help in... what way exactly ? Will it give food to starving kids in africa ? Will it help us go through global warming or anything else. It has no purpose at all except showing off. That's what makes me uneasy. On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 22:57 WhiteDog wrote:On March 16 2012 23:34 Blasterion wrote:On March 16 2012 23:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Seems fucked up...
What's the point of cloning a mammoth ? Putting it in a cage ? For entertainment ?
Use your money to create things that matter, not screwing up with life. The point is to show that we can. Bending nature to our will and tinkering against the flow of nature is what humans do. And let's face it, it's cool and we'll enjoy something like this. No it's not what humans do, it's what human think they do. We don't control shit, we are tiny in the face of the universe. Fukushima at least showed that. "HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE" Read my post entirely plz Knowing how to do it and improving our technology in order to control cloning the best way possible and doing it for no fucking purpose are two completly different mindset. Think of it as a test. Sure the actual product, the mammoth, isn't going to help us, but confirmation of whatever underlying theories we're assuming going into this cloning project will. It's better that our understanding is confirmed even slightly than untested when the time comes for us to apply our knowledge in ways that could seriously harm or benefit us.
I agree with that but what's the difference between the soon to be mammoth and dolly the sheep (not to mention the bulls and the horses that have cloned after dolly) in this regard ?
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Fuck Mammoths.
Lets clone A MIGHTY T-REX!
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On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:01 Lior wrote:
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"HEY GUYS, LET'S STOP ALL SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY A TINY SPECK OF SHIT ON THE BOOT OF THE UNIVERSE"
Read my post entirely plz I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning. Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh? Seriously ? I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy. PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ? Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully. No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.
Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted.
Your argument is very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.
"About Portugal I was teasing you, but there it's a fact my country have a way more important military history and actually won more than any european country, so the "white flag" bullshit is like pissing in a violin. Don't come with all america argument at me again please."
People only remember you for the last thing you've done.
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On March 17 2012 23:27 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:On March 17 2012 23:05 Lior wrote:
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Read my post entirely plz
I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident? Stop being so close minded and retrogressive. You whole argument doesn't mean anything. Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ? Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans? I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning. Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good! Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh? Seriously ? I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy. PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ? Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully. No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care. Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted. Your argument very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.
No scientist will never research on something if it has no further outlets. I'm not talking about material gains at all. Cloning can and will maybe be usefull for humanity and researching on it is important. Cloning to see if the theory match practice is also something that must be done, but making a mammoth is only a marketing shit that has no scientific value in my opinion. Now if a scientist tell me it's actually way more interesting for a scientist than cloning a sheep, then okay. But if the only argument is that it is a dead speccies and that it's cool to see it alive, then I do not agree.
People only remember you for the last thing you've done.
Which is refusing to go in a war that today everybody agree was a mystake ? Cool.
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On March 17 2012 23:29 Nesserev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 23:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Fuck Mammoths.
Lets clone A MIGHTY T-REX! Are you scared of sharks ? One day, you go to the beach and then you will see a Liopleurodon shredding a small fishing boat. ![[image loading]](http://www.abc.net.au/dinosaurs/chronology/149/images/liopleurodon.jpg) Most scary dinosaur ever imo, way scarier than T-Rex's.
as long as you stay off the beach, you'll be fine 
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