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ZooMForYou
Profile Joined September 2011
Singapore56 Posts
March 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#201
I like Mammoth :3
Kabooom~ Baby :)
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
March 17 2012 14:43 GMT
#202
On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote:
Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime



Indeed, would be so fucking awesome to see a Mammoth. Been kinda obsessed with pre-human times since I found out about dinosaurs when I was 3 or 4. Also, I wonder what it tastes like....
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
March 17 2012 14:44 GMT
#203
rich people will end up eating cloned human meat as a 'delicacy' 'cause you know ... why not if it tastes good.
of course it wont be legal but who cares right?, as long as there will be a demand, it'll sell.

on topic: in theory i have nothing against this but people are just to stupid to play god now.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
March 17 2012 14:45 GMT
#204
YES
OH GOD YES
ITS FINALLY HAPPENING
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 17 2012 14:50 GMT
#205
On March 17 2012 23:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:27 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:
[quote]

I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident?

Stop being so close minded and retrogressive.

You whole argument doesn't mean anything.

Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ?


Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?

I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.


Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good!

Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?

Seriously ?
I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy.

PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?


Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.

No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.



Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted.

Your argument very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.


But if the only argument is that it is a dead speccies and that it's cool to see it alive, then I do not agree.


Consider the fact that they are cloning something that has been extinct. Unless I'm missing something, that should be something new.
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-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
March 17 2012 15:00 GMT
#206
On March 17 2012 13:24 CursOr wrote:
There is no way to replicate all the DNA 100% accurate. I really don't give a shit what they are thinking.

Those things are going to be missing genes, have mutations, and crazy health problems even if they come out "living". I think this is a very bad idea.

You know the part in Jurassic Park where they used frog DNA to patch some of the gaps in the dinosaur DNA? In the movie that was done solely so they could have gender-changing raptors, but in real-life if you know approximately what genes you expect to be in a region and have access to DNA from a species similar enough in a relevant way in that region you can fill in the holes fairly well.

DNA isn't just a giant unknown code. Enough DNA is shared between species that, with modern elephants still existing we probably have enough available data to avoid the obvious pitfalls. There is of course a risk of some anomalous error existing in the mammoth, or being introduced through interplay between mammoth and elephant genes, or an error at a boundary between original and filler DNA.


You know that if you have a decent enough understanding of what a particular gene does you can often insert it without harm into very distantly related species. Examples include fish genes in plants, firefly genes in puppies, and jellyfish genes in pigs. Given this precedent, it is not impossible that, with sufficient modelling, mammoth DNA could be rendered usable and mammoths born with no significant health problems stemming from damaged source DNA or ill-chosen repair work.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 17 2012 15:08 GMT
#207
On March 17 2012 23:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:27 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:
[quote]

I replied before your edit; my point still stands. Also: do you realize how many scientific breakthroughs were made on fucking accident?

Stop being so close minded and retrogressive.

You whole argument doesn't mean anything.

Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ?


Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?

I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.


Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good!

Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?

Seriously ?
I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy.

PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?


Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.

No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.



Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted.

Your argument very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.


No scientist will never research on something if it has no further outlets. I'm not talking about material gains at all.
[...]
But if the only argument is that it is a dead speccies and that it's cool to see it alive, then I do not agree.


Firstly a lot of mathematical breakthroughs were done just because the scientists just wanted to solve the puzzle. Cantor's "infinity of infinities", Henri Poincaré who laid the foundations of topology and chaos theory, or just look at the development of electricity. All kinds of great discoveries started out seemingly meaningless and pointless, and many of them would still appear pointless to us laymen.

Consider the fact that they are cloning something that has been extinct. (Unless similar things have been done before of course).
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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
March 17 2012 16:16 GMT
#208
Mankind is amazing, cloning long extinct animals to create an endangered species, which will probably die out again without proper care. Extinception.

Would love to see this actually working.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
March 17 2012 16:41 GMT
#209
On March 18 2012 00:08 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:30 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:27 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:07 WhiteDog wrote:
[quote]
You whole argument doesn't mean anything.

Why not cloning human then ? We need to test it, to know if we can or not do it ? No ? Yes okay ethically it's kinda weird but it's retrogressive and "close minded" isn't it ?


Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?

I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.


Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good!

Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?

Seriously ?
I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy.

PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?


Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.

No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.



Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted.

Your argument very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.


No scientist will never research on something if it has no further outlets. I'm not talking about material gains at all.
[...]
But if the only argument is that it is a dead speccies and that it's cool to see it alive, then I do not agree.


Firstly a lot of mathematical breakthroughs were done just because the scientists just wanted to solve the puzzle. Cantor's "infinity of infinities", Henri Poincaré who laid the foundations of topology and chaos theory, or just look at the development of electricity. All kinds of great discoveries started out seemingly meaningless and pointless, and many of them would still appear pointless to us laymen.

Consider the fact that they are cloning something that has been extinct. (Unless similar things have been done before of course).

There are no link between what I am talking about and what you are talking about (because math is all theory and not practice), except the fact that some people research into things for personnal satisfaction and just solving puzzle, but it's entirely different from making research in a field where you actually need a certain number of ressource that usually cost a lot.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
March 17 2012 16:42 GMT
#210
later these mammoth will be used as war machines ow yeah
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-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
March 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#211
On March 18 2012 01:41 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 00:08 JieXian wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:30 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:27 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:20 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:17 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:15 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:11 Lior wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:09 WhiteDog wrote:
On March 17 2012 23:08 Lior wrote:
[quote]

Sure, and who said I was opposed to cloning humans?

I don't really care about your point of view, but most countries are against human cloning.


Oh, you don't care about my point of view! Good!

Typical frenchie... always waving that white flag, eh?

Seriously ?
I was talking about the purpose of cloning and you are not discussing it since the beginning and now you flame my country, funny guy.

PS : Where is your country again ? Do you have any war history ?


Oh, I'm sorry, I don't care about your view points. If you didn't understand how my original post replying to you ties in to 'the purpose of cloning' discussion, well, read more carefully.

No saying accident happen and help science is not a purpose for doing shit man. Give better argument if you want me to care.



Sigh, see, that wasn't the point at all. The point was, 'why stifle scientific researched on the basis that it doesn't immediately give us material gains' - if you had understood my post before replying, you might have seen this is what I meant. But, instead, you chose to ignore what I was trying to say, and filled in the gaps you didn't understand with what you wanted.

Your argument very much akin to the argument that we shouldn't be exploring space because 'it doesn't feed kids in Africa'. And I find it just as utterly ridiculous.


No scientist will never research on something if it has no further outlets. I'm not talking about material gains at all.
[...]
But if the only argument is that it is a dead speccies and that it's cool to see it alive, then I do not agree.


Firstly a lot of mathematical breakthroughs were done just because the scientists just wanted to solve the puzzle. Cantor's "infinity of infinities", Henri Poincaré who laid the foundations of topology and chaos theory, or just look at the development of electricity. All kinds of great discoveries started out seemingly meaningless and pointless, and many of them would still appear pointless to us laymen.

Consider the fact that they are cloning something that has been extinct. (Unless similar things have been done before of course).

There are no link between what I am talking about and what you are talking about (because math is all theory and not practice), except the fact that some people research into things for personnal satisfaction and just solving puzzle, but it's entirely different from making research in a field where you actually need a certain number of ressource that usually cost a lot.

Any company and country that is really serious about remaining on the technological frontier long-term invests in blue-sky as well as research with obvious goals. Without blue-sky research, we can only ever reach the lowest-hanging fruit of the tree of knowledge and that in tiny increments. There are a very great number of inventions that could never have been made if someone hadn't decided to investigate something they had no clue could ever have practical applications.

A good research department uses its budget to meet as many of its goals as possible as efficiently as possible. A great reasearch department holds a part of its budget back for the researchers to throw at whatever interests them, no questions asked.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
rOse_PedaL
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Korea (South)450 Posts
March 17 2012 17:05 GMT
#212
Koreans!
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
March 17 2012 17:11 GMT
#213
On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote:
Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime

i second this!!! Need mammoth!
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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
March 17 2012 17:13 GMT
#214
Do away with cars, mammoths is the new way to travel. Mega retro.
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Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
March 17 2012 17:23 GMT
#215
Dinosaurs next? ^_ ^ Che Che
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-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
March 17 2012 17:25 GMT
#216
On March 18 2012 02:23 Coal wrote:
Dinosaurs next? ^_ ^ Che Che

Raptors would play as zerg, even in the WoL campaign.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 17 2012 17:39 GMT
#217
About time, John Hammond worked this out years ago!
Homo erectus next?
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ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
March 17 2012 17:39 GMT
#218
Wow are they even allowed to do this?
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askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 19:18:03
March 17 2012 19:16 GMT
#219
On March 18 2012 00:00 -_-Quails wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 13:24 CursOr wrote:
There is no way to replicate all the DNA 100% accurate. I really don't give a shit what they are thinking.

Those things are going to be missing genes, have mutations, and crazy health problems even if they come out "living". I think this is a very bad idea.

You know the part in Jurassic Park where they used frog DNA to patch some of the gaps in the dinosaur DNA? In the movie that was done solely so they could have gender-changing raptors, but in real-life if you know approximately what genes you expect to be in a region and have access to DNA from a species similar enough in a relevant way in that region you can fill in the holes fairly well.

DNA isn't just a giant unknown code. Enough DNA is shared between species that, with modern elephants still existing we probably have enough available data to avoid the obvious pitfalls. There is of course a risk of some anomalous error existing in the mammoth, or being introduced through interplay between mammoth and elephant genes, or an error at a boundary between original and filler DNA.


You know that if you have a decent enough understanding of what a particular gene does you can often insert it without harm into very distantly related species. Examples include fish genes in plants, firefly genes in puppies, and jellyfish genes in pigs. Given this precedent, it is not impossible that, with sufficient modelling, mammoth DNA could be rendered usable and mammoths born with no significant health problems stemming from damaged source DNA or ill-chosen repair work.


Do you have any background in genetics or do you watch movies and listen to the grapevine to get your information? There are other aspects to getting a viable animal than just the genes, which you can't just replace with random animal genes and expect everything to go well. also lol at the phrase "sufficient modelling"
hihihi
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
March 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#220
Well, the ramifications of this could be
*sunglasses*
Mammoth

yeeeeaaaaaaaaah!
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