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On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL.
Lol, the ward thing is true? How many wards can you carry per hero, as many as you want? And don't you infinity TP in LoL too?
It's so many things in LoL that makes up for mistakes so you can avoid being ganked it's amazing.
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On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL.
I'd put money on it that I could load up a bot game right now, and you'd miss cs with literally nothing else happening. In my head you miss it on one of the first 5 waves, but you say you were top10%(so like, 1500-1600?) so maybe you make it a little further, like wave 10.
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On March 15 2012 01:15 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:12 Manit0u wrote:On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all. Umm... There's quite a few of them even in the RTS genre? Warcraft III C&C: Red Alert Armies of Exigo In WC3 they even made a separate invite only ladder for the top people, just so that they could practice against someone around their skill without the need to create custom games and look for people elsewhere (match making for pros). Each season 5 bottom places would fall back to normal ladder and top 5 ladder would get invites to this pro ladder to try themselves against really good people. I have player BW,WC3,SC2 and I can safely say that WC3 is easier than SC2 imo. It's slow paced and upkeep mechanic make it much less mechanic intensive than SC/SC2.
i really hope that you've watched pro wc3 games
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On March 15 2012 01:16 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL. Lol, the ward thing is true? How many wards can you carry per hero, as many as you want? And don't you infinity TP in LoL too? It's so many things in LoL that makes up for mistakes so you can avoid being ganked it's amazing.
5 per slot.
You have infinity tp but on a 6 minute cooldown and it takes a summoner slot. There's no TP scrolls.
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On March 14 2012 20:21 darkscream wrote:
The problem with free games like LoL is that they can lose popularity just as fast as they gained it. And while it's great that Riot puts so much money back into the tournament scene, they do that because they need to buy loyalty from their players - otherwise they will just switch to the next good free game, or even the next MOBA game. They know they need to build a strong foundation because DOTA2 and Blizz DOTA will hit them like an earthquake.
edit: not to mention, kotaku is gawker so their opinion on ESPORTS is about as valuable dirt.
LoL is very different then other free games before lol. LoL is not a game that can lose popularity fast, mostly because its so dam addicting and everchanging. I got the game in closed beta, have played over 2 thousand games over almost 3 years now and still play leagues on a somewhat regularly basis.
On March 14 2012 21:38 Mikey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 21:17 Shikyo wrote:On March 14 2012 21:13 Mikey wrote:
LOL, what. How does a casual game that has no competitive aspect become to the most competitive game in the most competitive country? If this is warn worthy so be it, but I just don't see how the lackluster title called LoL is at the top of eSports. I guess DotA2 will easily become the biggest eSport at this rate. Like exactly this kind of comments make no sense. How does it have no competitive aspect? Of course it does, it even has multiple different ranked ladders, where you can actually see your position in comparison to the entire game population(not just a single league). Just because a game is fun to play doesn't mean that it isn't competitive. And again I'd like to point out that SC2 actually casualizes itself far more than LoL. Ranked ladders? I have friends who played DotA/HoN who played LoL for 2 weeks and hit top 10 on the LoL 'competitive rankings' just to prove how big of a joke it is. The game is completely dumbed down for casual play and almost every competitive aspect of DotA was removed for the making of LoL. When are YOU and the rest of the LoL fan base going to realize Riot games is simply sucking up all the profits they can.
Mikey that is a complete lie. To even be able to get on the ranked ladder you have to be level 30 which takes far more then 2 weeks and then when you have reached level 30 your looking at atleast a 100 games (if you win more then twice as much as you lose) to get to a high place in the ladder..
lets say your friend never loses, or loses very rarely cause *lol is so easy* you are looking at 200 games (to get to 30 then to get to top 10), and lets say each game is 35 min (now im bad at math) but thats what 120 hours of gaming?
Your friend can play for 120 hours in 2 weeks?
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On March 15 2012 01:17 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:15 Wildmoon wrote:On March 15 2012 01:12 Manit0u wrote:On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all. Umm... There's quite a few of them even in the RTS genre? Warcraft III C&C: Red Alert Armies of Exigo In WC3 they even made a separate invite only ladder for the top people, just so that they could practice against someone around their skill without the need to create custom games and look for people elsewhere (match making for pros). Each season 5 bottom places would fall back to normal ladder and top 5 ladder would get invites to this pro ladder to try themselves against really good people. I have player BW,WC3,SC2 and I can safely say that WC3 is easier than SC2 imo. It's slow paced and upkeep mechanic make it much less mechanic intensive than SC/SC2. i really hope that you've watched pro wc3 games
I haven't only watched it but I had followed it for very long time too.
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SC2 fanboys can hate LoL for its simplicity all they like but it's working. LoL has few core mechanics but it has a huge playerbase and goes through lots of changes so translates into high viewer counts as well.
SC2 on other hand, is much more simple than BW, and even WC3. It tries to gain viewers by selling its core gameplay. However, it's just not that deep and there isn't much mechanics to refine. How ironic is it that the same criticism that these fanboys use to invalidate riot's game is perfectly applicable to their own, especially when Riot has found a way for its game to work without adhering to their standards.
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On March 15 2012 01:13 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:12 Johnzee wrote:
Lots of people here seem to think LoL can't take the "number 1 ESPORT in Korea" because it's not competitive (read: difficult) enough.
If this article is true, I'm not sure that Koreans are flocking to LoL because it's "easy"... merely that LoL is where the money is currently. the money is there because Koreans are flocking to it, not the other way around
though normally that would be true, in LoL's case i think Riot funds all these things so I think the money is there first.
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On March 15 2012 01:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:14 Schwopzi wrote:On March 15 2012 01:10 HyperionDreamer wrote:On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors You're basically correct. I've played league with one hand while eating a chocolate bar before. And I've played starcraft while drawing molecular structures of benzodiazepines. Your point being? I think his point was that compared to SC, it's mechanically a joke.
Yeah, I kinda like this about LoL. Koreans dominate SC2 because they simply practice more and achieve better multitasking skills, it's less about strategic gameplay and more about the capability to do stuff quickly.
In LoL it's easy to become mechanically good at the game so the main deciding factor for winning or losing in high level games is strategy and teamplay. Personally I would prefer to be a SC2 pro because grinding 12 hours a day is something I know I can do but being able to handle extremely in depth strategies and coordination with teammates in LoL is something I can see as a lot harder to achieve.
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On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL.
Grats on breaking 1500 elo, I'm sure it was difficult.
Vod on you CSing vs bots? There's actually something people did to test their CSing, bot match for 20 minutes, how many CS can you get. I'm sure there's many eager to see your result.
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On March 15 2012 01:19 JiYan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:13 rotinegg wrote:On March 15 2012 01:12 Johnzee wrote:
Lots of people here seem to think LoL can't take the "number 1 ESPORT in Korea" because it's not competitive (read: difficult) enough.
If this article is true, I'm not sure that Koreans are flocking to LoL because it's "easy"... merely that LoL is where the money is currently. the money is there because Koreans are flocking to it, not the other way around though normally that would be true, in LoL's case i think Riot funds all these things so I think the money is there first.
fair enough
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On March 15 2012 01:13 Mecker wrote:
Weird how a team like Moscow 5 can be dominating when the game is so easy. The other professional LoL players must be really bad.
yes, they are.
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On March 15 2012 01:13 Mecker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL. Weird how a team like Moscow 5 can be dominating when the game is so easy. The other professional LoL players must be really bad.
Look I don't really like LoL but I respect it's numbers. There's room for more then SC2 etc. without getting your panties in a bunch. Just because it's getting more popular doesn't mean we have to go all east vs west. If you don't enjoy the game then let it be don't be a hater.
I think the success of LoL is because its a much more noob friendly game. Don't get me wrong the community can be harsh on nubs but the game itself doesn't make you feel like you're terrible when jumping into it. When your a bronze SC2 player it just feels dirty and can be overwhelming. Also when watching a pro match of LoL people can get the FEELING that they can do that where in SC2 its a lot more apparent that its a difficult game. I wasn't commenting on LoL being easy i was just saying it can LOOK easy.
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On March 15 2012 01:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:10 HyperionDreamer wrote:On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors You're basically correct. I've played league with one hand while eating a chocolate bar before. I've also played Starcraft Brood War exactly like this o.O
But could you actually play bw even moderately well when doing this? 
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On March 15 2012 01:18 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:16 Gosi wrote:On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL. Lol, the ward thing is true? How many wards can you carry per hero, as many as you want? And don't you infinity TP in LoL too? It's so many things in LoL that makes up for mistakes so you can avoid being ganked it's amazing. 5 per slot. You have infinity tp but on a 6 minute cooldown and it takes a summoner slot. There's no TP scrolls.
But you can't TP to towers, only back to the pool right? And all this counts in pro games? Is there runes or summoner slot (is that where you have like so you can get extra speed for 5 sec and things like that?) that are banned in pro games?
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On March 15 2012 01:16 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL. Lol, the ward thing is true? How many wards can you carry per hero, as many as you want? And don't you infinity TP in LoL too? It's so many things in LoL that makes up for mistakes so you can avoid being ganked it's amazing.
Yes ward stock is infinite, but you obviously cannot carry infinity(limited item slots, limited money). No you cannot 'infinity tp' in LoL. You have recall to your fountain, but the only way to teleport back to a lane is with a very long cooldown summoner spell(which then takes away from the other summoners my evil clone is just assuming every champion has) or to be a champion with a long range teleport-ish ability for an ultimate(Pantheon, Twisted Fate, Shen).
There are actually far less ways to escape proper ganks in LoL than DotA, the idea is that in LoL you should have so much map vision that you don't allow yourself to be put in such terrible situations. Your team can't tp to you(unless they have summoner tp, which is rare because of the trade off noted earlier) to help countergank, and you can't just tp away when you've overextended(recall takes much longer than a TP cast in DotA).
The games are quite different, you can't just attempt to give exact examples across each and hope they hold up as definitive reasoning for one being 'better' or whatever.
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If some kind of butthurt and ignorance-vampires existed they would be feasting on this thread.
At least you'd hope that it would be actual good starcraft players that would "piss" on a game they don't know/dislike, but no, it's exclusively random people who like to identify with their betters. Kind of like the sports hooligans.
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On March 15 2012 01:10 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:05 Bladeorade wrote:On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all. Practically any FPS computer game. Comparing SC2 difficulty level to Brood Wars is ridiculous as well. Never said I was any good but I seriously doubt anyone posting in this thread complaining about LoL is any good at SC2. Its the terrible majority that complains about shit like this instead of being like "oh cool, another popular game," people post retarded shit like "LOLHURTSESPORTSTROLOLOL" and "only one character to control? must be ezpz." People is dumb. I find every FPS game out there far easier than SC2.
CS:S, Quake etc are all far more difficult than SC2. I don't even see how this is an argument. Computer FPS is a ridiculous genre at the very top levels of play. As in I often have no idea what the hell is even going on and then theres a triple kill or the round is over. Other people have mentioned Smash, that game is also ridiculous at the highest level.
This is still a retarded argument, SC2 is not a difficult game to learn, neither is LoL. Not to mention the level of difficulty in learning how to play a game has nothing to do with how competitive a game is. In fact I would argue an easier to learn game would be better. More people can enjoy it. First time SC2 viewers are like wtf?
First time LoL viewer can be like okay that guy shoots stuff this one shoots magic that on is beating the other guy in the face etc.
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On March 15 2012 01:20 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 15 2012 01:10 HyperionDreamer wrote:On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors You're basically correct. I've played league with one hand while eating a chocolate bar before. I've also played Starcraft Brood War exactly like this o.O But could you actually play bw even moderately well when doing this?
But could you actually play lol even moderately well when doing this?
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On March 15 2012 01:21 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:18 Shikyo wrote:On March 15 2012 01:16 Gosi wrote:On March 15 2012 01:08 red_b wrote:
the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL. Lol, the ward thing is true? How many wards can you carry per hero, as many as you want? And don't you infinity TP in LoL too? It's so many things in LoL that makes up for mistakes so you can avoid being ganked it's amazing. 5 per slot. You have infinity tp but on a 6 minute cooldown and it takes a summoner slot. There's no TP scrolls. But you can't TP to towers, only back to the pool right? And all this counts in pro games? Is there runes or summoner slot (is that where you have like so you can get extra speed for 5 sec and things like that?) that are banned in pro games?
Infinite tp back to base yes but it takes 8 seconds so it's not too much faster than walking and any damage cancels it.
However do consider that there's no stuff like you diving someone and 2 people instantly TPing and counterganking you. Many people forget that for instance.
On March 15 2012 01:22 Josh111 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 01:20 HyperionDreamer wrote:On March 15 2012 01:13 Shikyo wrote:On March 15 2012 01:10 HyperionDreamer wrote:On March 14 2012 20:00 Jakkerr wrote:
It's quite sad that such an easy game is now the #1 E-sports game.
That's like live broadcasting rock paper scissors You're basically correct. I've played league with one hand while eating a chocolate bar before. I've also played Starcraft Brood War exactly like this o.O But could you actually play bw even moderately well when doing this? But could you actually play lol even moderately well when doing this? + Show Spoiler +
I'm pretty good with the mouse, you can actually produce units and give commands etc just fine, I beat the computer doing this. I don't think it's too different from trying to teamfight in LoL while using mouse to click on the skills o.O
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