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oh my it always makes me giggle like a little school girl if i see the sc2 community(also known as "the self - proclaimed esport masterrace" )get offended because Sc2 gets beaten by LoL in terms of numbers.
l like how people try to make LoL a game for "casuals",but Sc2 isnt? Guess what i say both games are exactly the same: Easy to learn hard to master:
A gold player is just as bad at Starcraft 2 as an LoL Player at 900 elo is bad at Lol.
A top korean Starcraft 2 player is just as good as at his game as an LoL player from one of the top lol- teams.both need to practice hard to be good at their games,and neither of them needs less effort
and i honestly cant understand the reasons why Starcraft 2 should bring more "outside"-viewers then lol would
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On March 15 2012 00:58 couches wrote:
Why are people bitter about LoL being at the top instead of their precious SC2? They are in the same boat.
E-sports.
You're rocking your own boat complaining about it.
I believe it is because of the elitism. The sc2 community don't view LoL as a game that's "hard enough" to be considered a sport.
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On March 15 2012 00:40 Pulselol wrote:
kotaku is full of sensationalist bullshit.
league of legends is an incredibly simple game that is fun for people, but doesn't even come close to catering the hardcore.
that being said, we can all hope sc2 makes a comeback with hots in korea but let's be honest here - no lan function was probably the killing point.
Uh. LoL doesn't have LAN either, so I don't see how you can blame LAN.
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People are bitter because LoL is like the paraolympics version of Dota, if this thread was about dota, people would have less qualms for sure.
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thats saaaad
i tried to play lol but it's crazy how you have to play to level 30 until you play vs people that are actually decent
playing those nubs that dont even think of strategy is just boring me to death
also it's crazy boring to watch imo....
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On March 15 2012 00:59 Matsumoto wrote:
oh my it always makes me giggle like a little school girl if i see the sc2 community(also known as "the self - proclaimed esport masterrace" )get offended because Sc2 gets beaten by LoL in terms of numbers.
l like how people try to make LoL a game for "casuals",but Sc2 isnt? Guess what i say both games are exactly the same: Easy to learn hard to master:
A gold player is just as bad at Starcraft 2 as an LoL Player at 900 elo.
A top korean Starcraft 2 player is just as good as at his game as an LoL player from one of the top lol- teams.both need to practice hard to be good at their games,and neither of them needs less effort
and i honestly cant understand the reasons why Starcraft 2 should bring more "outside"-viewers then lol would
LoL isnt hard to master, thats the problem about it. its a casual game because its too easy to be a real esport.
"a top korean starcraft player is just as good as a top lol player"
i rly laughed my ass off at this ignorant sentence by you.
On March 15 2012 01:00 KingDime wrote:
People are bitter because LoL is like the paraolympics version of Dota, if this thread was about dota, people would have less qualms for sure.
and even dota isnt comparable to sc2... its a WC3 FUNMAP with ONE HERO to control.
footmen frenzy requires about the same amount of skill.
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On March 15 2012 00:50 TwilightStar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:41 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 15 2012 00:37 TwilightStar wrote:On March 14 2012 23:38 Shikyo wrote:
This is actually funny btw, I used to be in top 1.5% of SC2 and I've never been in like top 10% of LoL despite playing like 4 times more games of LoL. Well, think about it: You said you were top 1.5% of SC2, in 1v1 correct? That could be due in part to the fact they are you are a good player, or had a lot of prior experience with brood war (i'm in the same boat as you, except I don't know whether you played BW or not) You say that you haven't gotten to the top 10% of LoL, this is due in part to the fact that it's a 5v5 game.. You may be a very good player, but unless you are put with people of equal skill as yourself on your team, you may not see any further advancement. It doesn't really mean anything. I don't know, I've been playing BW for longer than I have MOBA games, so I suppose that means I'm biased when I still believe that BW/SC2 are much more difficult to improve/perform than in LoL or Dota/HoN. This is just what I've picked up from my experiences with all games. Because if you play enough games you hit your true rating. LoL players have a concept of "Elo Hell" where they think they are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and the only reason they are not 2k Elo is because they constantly get players who are terrible. Trust me, it doesnt work like that. There are hundreds of examples of players deliberatly tanking their rating then going straight back to it. From my experiences in Solo Queue, in 50% of the games, I'll get a team that I can work with, but in the other 50%, my team feeds, regardless of what I am able to do to assist them,.
And yet, the top 200 of the LoL solo queue ladder is actually comprised of 50 people and all of their smurfs... they just got lucky, on all 4 of their accounts.
On March 14 2012 23:22 PeachWaldo wrote:
The amount of time you have to invest into that game to become a pro is merely a few hours a day for a month or two.
The amount of completely off base, uninformed, retarded posts in this thread is amazing. People should get awards for being this oblivious of how clueless they are. I'd love it if I could have some psychic power to figure out which of these people have literally never even seen LoL played yet still attempt to comment on it. I bet the % would be not insignificant, which is sad.
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On March 15 2012 01:01 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:59 Matsumoto wrote:
oh my it always makes me giggle like a little school girl if i see the sc2 community(also known as "the self - proclaimed esport masterrace" )get offended because Sc2 gets beaten by LoL in terms of numbers.
l like how people try to make LoL a game for "casuals",but Sc2 isnt? Guess what i say both games are exactly the same: Easy to learn hard to master:
A gold player is just as bad at Starcraft 2 as an LoL Player at 900 elo.
A top korean Starcraft 2 player is just as good as at his game as an LoL player from one of the top lol- teams.both need to practice hard to be good at their games,and neither of them needs less effort
and i honestly cant understand the reasons why Starcraft 2 should bring more "outside"-viewers then lol would LoL isnt hard to master, thats the problem about it. its a casual game because its too easy to be a real esport. "a top korean starcraft player is just as good as a top lol player" i rly laughed my ass off at this ignorant sentence by you.
look how many people % in the lol community are above 2000 Elo
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On March 15 2012 00:48 Zerksys wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:25 DwD wrote:On March 15 2012 00:23 Zerksys wrote:On March 14 2012 20:19 gwaihir wrote:
meh, stupid lol. i guess while the rest of the world will be slowly overtaken by dota 2 after its release (hopefully), the koreans will be isolated once again with LoL :D Unfortunately this is not going to be true. Valve has expressed to the community that Dota 2 is not going to be a free to play game which makes money off of micro transactions. A huge part of what made LoL such a huge game is that it is indeed free to play. For anyone who knows anything about broodwar, this is history repeating itself. The reason that broodwar got to be a huge game was because you could pass it around so easily. It got to a point where you could literally put the game on a usb and give it to your friend so you could play it at LANs. A game being free is a huge motivator to play the game. Once you begin to play the game, the gameplay will speak for itself. On March 14 2012 20:12 Kamwah wrote:
LoL is just a shadow of DOTA. The 2 DOTAs coming out will take over from them I hope. I love Dota 2, I have a beta key, and I want it so badly to succeed. However, the attitude that is so common among the community is that LoL players are just casuals who who are simply "too bad" to see the brilliance of dota 2. I want to tell the dota 2 community DO NOT DO THIS. This type of attitude is not a good attitude to attract people toward your game. If members of the dota 2 community continue to take this elitist attitude, dota 2 will never, I repeat NEVER EVER EVER EVER succeed. This elitist attitude is partly what drove me away from HoN and I see the same attitude starting to develop in the Dota 2 community even in the beta. This same elitist attitude is what is starting to drive people away from the sc2 community; the idea that, "oh you play ______ game? That's such an easy game compared to sc2." As for with sc2, I hate to say this, but the company I love that made games such as wc3, scbw, and diablo, is dead. They have evolved into a corporate giant that cares nothing about their community other than earning their dollar. This is why blizzard will never again make another game as popular and has as much longevity as BW. Source for Dota2 not going to be free to play? I'm pretty sure they haven't said anything? Yeah you're right actually. I don't know that it will not be free to play. Sorry I was mistake, but if you go look at a bunch of dota 2 forums, many people are saying that it will probably not be free to play upon release.
because they're misinformed
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can you really expect valve to make dota 2 free to play? all the major steam games require you to pay except TF2 but it was lagging behind in terms of popularity while it was pay 2 play. Also consider the fact that they are putting heaps of money in promoting and developing the game and icefrog does not decide what people should pay. Now with that being said, i'm not sure it will do well in china, might do really bad if its priced at a similar price to sc2 but do well if it was say 5~10 bucks. Perhaps chinese people will stick to old dota or lol.
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this LoL<SC2 sounds like SC2<BW when people talk about how "casual" the game is.
@Ipp
Pretty sure LoL has tournament LAN for the bigger tourneys does sc2 have it? i haven't really payed attention to the scene.
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On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all.
Master is top 2%. 1500 elo in lol is ~top 10%. D+ in BW is also ~top 10%. Most D+ players were easily placed into master.
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On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all.
Practically any FPS computer game. Comparing SC2 difficulty level to Brood Wars is ridiculous as well.
Never said I was any good but I seriously doubt anyone posting in this thread complaining about LoL is any good at SC2. Its the terrible majority that complains about shit like this instead of being like "oh cool, another popular game," people post retarded shit like "LOLHURTSESPORTSTROLOLOL" and "only one character to control? must be ezpz."
People is dumb.
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On March 15 2012 01:00 KingDime wrote:
People are bitter because LoL is like the paraolympics version of Dota, if this thread was about dota, people would have less qualms for sure.
No they wouldn't(at least, the 100% sc2 people wouldn't, the actual DotA players obviously would have a changed opinion), they just hide behind that as a thinly veiled defense. 'See, I don't just blindly hate all games that aren't the one I like, if it were like that DotA game I'd be ok with it maybe kinda possibly and stuff.' In reality, the vast majority of people who complain this much, would complain anyway, they've made it abundantly clear.
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the amount of butthurt from LoL players is fantastic.
the game is easy and the people who play it are garbage. I managed to make it (easily) into the top 10% of the NA ladder and this was during a time when I was finishing graduate school and had to spend a lot more time studying and going to class than playing.
it is literally impossible to miss a creep in LoL. instant turn rate, no windup, 8 million damage to creeps with masteries and runes.
free blink dagger, free damage spells (exhaust/ignite), never lose a dragon/baron (smite), characters cant get too out of control because it's not like you can gank (free map hack in clairvoyance, you can buy as many wards as you want at a time) so you cant shut down a smart carry on the tiny ass map.
LoL players are like creationists. they have their own little lie for every fact and are quick to accuse you of having never played, or maybe you "just don't understand", or whatever.
LoL is NOT suited to be a competitive game. And that's why people like Dendi play DotA and people like HSGG play LoL.
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On March 15 2012 01:04 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all. Master is top 2%. 1500 elo in lol is ~top 10%. D+ in BW is also ~top 10%. Most D+ players were easily placed into master.
You can't compare it like that.
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On March 15 2012 00:59 Matsumoto wrote:
and i honestly cant understand the reasons why Starcraft 2 should bring more "outside"-viewers then lol would
I can tell you that I started watching brood war before I started playing it. I guess I don't know that the same thing would have happened with SC2.
On the other hand, I've played LoL and it's fun and stuff. I find it completely confusing and terrible to watch. I understand the number of players of LoL but I don't quite understand the number of viewers for LoL events.
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On March 15 2012 00:57 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.
I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2 Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all.
I'm not sure what you mean by "not that good" but that's being in top 1% of playerbase and that's pretty good to me. And I'm not sure why people constantly say SC2 is one of the most difficult games because really for me, it's been one of the easiest. I'd say Quake at the very least is way more difficult, I'd also say WC3 is more difficult, SSBM and Guilty Gear XX as well.
Lunia, the MMORPG, is also more difficult than SC2 in my opinion.
I don't really understand the point, though? Being top 1% in SC2 isn't good but being top 30% or whatever in LoL somehow is good then? o_o I don't understand what you're saying really
On March 15 2012 01:09 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:59 Matsumoto wrote:
and i honestly cant understand the reasons why Starcraft 2 should bring more "outside"-viewers then lol would I can tell you that I started watching brood war before I started playing it. I guess I don't know that the same thing would have happened with SC2. On the other hand, I've played LoL and it's fun and stuff. I find it completely confusing and terrible to watch. I understand the number of players of LoL but I don't quite understand the number of viewers for LoL events.
Well from showing some games to my friends they all prefer to watch SCBW if they are unfamiliar with the games, then it's LoL after that, both SC2 and HoN for example seem to be really confusing. Of course my sample size is very tiny but I can kind of see why that might be.
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The LoL tournaments I've seen that don't get directly linked by Riot have had fairly small viewer turnouts. I'd be interested to see how well this takes off in Korea if it's not fully 'supported' by riot.
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