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Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
March 14 2012 15:46 GMT
#541
I guess it is time to go LOL pro, and if the game is as easy as rumors have it to be on this teamliquid, a platinum player like me should have no troubles there
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 14 2012 15:46 GMT
#542
LoL is a boring/easy game (yes I played it for a substantial amount of time and also play Dota and Hon), but I find it absurd that some people are actually dismayed that it is doing well.

Good for LoL that it is doing great. Hopefully it will continue to do so and act as a gateway for other people to watch even more games.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 14 2012 15:46 GMT
#543
On March 15 2012 00:44 Fionn wrote:
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On March 15 2012 00:26 rotinegg wrote:
There was a mis-translation in the prize pool amount: it's ~$180,000 TOTAL, not ~$1.8million for the winner.


Well that's a pretty gigantic mis-translation by Kotaku.

Again, this just makes the article even more unfounded. LoL is the more popular game, but e-sport? Who knows. I want to see actual ratings from the OGN shows and see if the thousands of fans continue showing up to the games. I want to see the LoL players and teams get fanclubs/supporters such as Brood War and even SC2 has in Korea.

The article itself is a bad piece of writing that mis-translated the main freaking point it was trying to make. The reason it's the #1 e-sport in Korea is because of the gigantic prize pool and the guy who wrote the article was off by a $1,500,000 dollars. That's not to say it won't be very soon because it's obvious it is damn popular in PC Bangs, but the article really doesn't say anything new and the only point it does make is wrong.

that's kind of funny... well it is an opinion piece
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 15:48:17
March 14 2012 15:47 GMT
#544
On March 15 2012 00:38 Fawkes wrote:
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On March 15 2012 00:28 RonNation wrote:
this is NOT good for esports


yeah man...like not good...right?

why the hell is it not good for esports? just because the game you favour isn't #1 anymore?


In my view, I think it's problematic that a game like LoL would be the frontrunner of e-sports because it has less appeal to those outside of gaming. Sure, LoL has a larger casual player fanbase, but the credibility of esports in expansion is its ability to reach beyond the player-base into the broader mainstream population. Starcraft is just better as a spectator sport. Many LoL players I know readily acknowledge that it's not really interesting to watch. For one, the basic concept of two armies, resources, and destruction of opposing armies in SC2 is incredibly intuitive, whereas the AOS (or MOBA, but I refer the old WC3 terminology :3) notion of "lanes" of automatically spawning creep, towers, and champions is not so intuitive. Second, Starcraft is just better at visually representing skill. Whether it is an incredibly marine split, or even the sheer speed of FPVODs, it is much more distinguishable to the ordinary person. Third, LoL encounters the same issues of CS in its 5v5 formatting, where its difficult to truly observe all the happenings in a game where there are often 10 multiple different instances of players that compose the overall game.

[Edit]: lol at the failure of the kotaku article, where having the largest singular instance of cash prize suddenly makes something the biggest esport...
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Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
March 14 2012 15:48 GMT
#545
On March 15 2012 00:25 DwD wrote:
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On March 15 2012 00:23 Zerksys wrote:
On March 14 2012 20:19 gwaihir wrote:
meh, stupid lol. i guess while the rest of the world will be slowly overtaken by dota 2 after its release (hopefully), the koreans will be isolated once again with LoL :D


Unfortunately this is not going to be true. Valve has expressed to the community that Dota 2 is not going to be a free to play game which makes money off of micro transactions. A huge part of what made LoL such a huge game is that it is indeed free to play. For anyone who knows anything about broodwar, this is history repeating itself. The reason that broodwar got to be a huge game was because you could pass it around so easily. It got to a point where you could literally put the game on a usb and give it to your friend so you could play it at LANs. A game being free is a huge motivator to play the game. Once you begin to play the game, the gameplay will speak for itself.

On March 14 2012 20:12 Kamwah wrote:
LoL is just a shadow of DOTA. The 2 DOTAs coming out will take over from them I hope.


I love Dota 2, I have a beta key, and I want it so badly to succeed. However, the attitude that is so common among the community is that LoL players are just casuals who who are simply "too bad" to see the brilliance of dota 2. I want to tell the dota 2 community DO NOT DO THIS. This type of attitude is not a good attitude to attract people toward your game. If members of the dota 2 community continue to take this elitist attitude, dota 2 will never, I repeat NEVER EVER EVER EVER succeed. This elitist attitude is partly what drove me away from HoN and I see the same attitude starting to develop in the Dota 2 community even in the beta. This same elitist attitude is what is starting to drive people away from the sc2 community; the idea that, "oh you play ______ game? That's such an easy game compared to sc2."

As for with sc2, I hate to say this, but the company I love that made games such as wc3, scbw, and diablo, is dead. They have evolved into a corporate giant that cares nothing about their community other than earning their dollar. This is why blizzard will never again make another game as popular and has as much longevity as BW.


Source for Dota2 not going to be free to play? I'm pretty sure they haven't said anything?


Yeah you're right actually. I don't know that it will not be free to play. Sorry I was mistake, but if you go look at a bunch of dota 2 forums, many people are saying that it will probably not be free to play upon release.
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 14 2012 15:49 GMT
#546
On March 14 2012 20:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
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On March 14 2012 20:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Calling this game easy is like calling 5v5 dodgeball easy.

I used to tell my students I was teaching that I played this game! I wonder if they remember me?


If I got it right in LoL you just control one charakter? This game is supposed to be challenging?


Okay, was reading through, saw this comment. Not sure if anyone else responded to this yet, but anyways:

This just in, ssbm is a games that offers no challenge because you only control one character (facepalm x10)
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TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
March 14 2012 15:50 GMT
#547
On March 15 2012 00:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
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On March 15 2012 00:37 TwilightStar wrote:
On March 14 2012 23:38 Shikyo wrote:

This is actually funny btw, I used to be in top 1.5% of SC2 and I've never been in like top 10% of LoL despite playing like 4 times more games of LoL.


Well, think about it: You said you were top 1.5% of SC2, in 1v1 correct? That could be due in part to the fact they are you are a good player, or had a lot of prior experience with brood war (i'm in the same boat as you, except I don't know whether you played BW or not)

You say that you haven't gotten to the top 10% of LoL, this is due in part to the fact that it's a 5v5 game.. You may be a very good player, but unless you are put with people of equal skill as yourself on your team, you may not see any further advancement. It doesn't really mean anything.


I don't know, I've been playing BW for longer than I have MOBA games, so I suppose that means I'm biased when I still believe that BW/SC2 are much more difficult to improve/perform than in LoL or Dota/HoN. This is just what I've picked up from my experiences with all games.

Because if you play enough games you hit your true rating. LoL players have a concept of "Elo Hell" where they think they are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and the only reason they are not 2k Elo is because they constantly get players who are terrible.

Trust me, it doesnt work like that. There are hundreds of examples of players deliberatly tanking their rating then going straight back to it.


From my experiences in Solo Queue, in 50% of the games, I'll get a team that I can work with, but in the other 50%, my team feeds, regardless of what I am able to do to assist them,.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 14 2012 15:50 GMT
#548
On March 15 2012 00:46 Wuiph wrote:
The last LoL tournament was won by a team being undefeated. I guess it had been incredible luck because even casuals reach the low skill ceiling of this game?


Not only that, but the previous offline tournament (IEM Kiev) they only dropped a map and that was in the finals...

16-1 run in 2 consecutive IEMs.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
March 14 2012 15:51 GMT
#549
On March 15 2012 00:49 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 20:37 Aunvilgod wrote:
On March 14 2012 20:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Calling this game easy is like calling 5v5 dodgeball easy.

I used to tell my students I was teaching that I played this game! I wonder if they remember me?


If I got it right in LoL you just control one charakter? This game is supposed to be challenging?


Okay, was reading through, saw this comment. Not sure if anyone else responded to this yet, but anyways:

This just in, ssbm is a games that offers no challenge because you only control one character (facepalm x10)


Also: You control only 1 character in every FPS game, does this make every FPS incredibly easy as well?

Sometimes I swear people don't think when they post on these forums.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 14 2012 15:53 GMT
#550
On March 15 2012 00:50 TwilightStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 00:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:37 TwilightStar wrote:
On March 14 2012 23:38 Shikyo wrote:

This is actually funny btw, I used to be in top 1.5% of SC2 and I've never been in like top 10% of LoL despite playing like 4 times more games of LoL.


Well, think about it: You said you were top 1.5% of SC2, in 1v1 correct? That could be due in part to the fact they are you are a good player, or had a lot of prior experience with brood war (i'm in the same boat as you, except I don't know whether you played BW or not)

You say that you haven't gotten to the top 10% of LoL, this is due in part to the fact that it's a 5v5 game.. You may be a very good player, but unless you are put with people of equal skill as yourself on your team, you may not see any further advancement. It doesn't really mean anything.


I don't know, I've been playing BW for longer than I have MOBA games, so I suppose that means I'm biased when I still believe that BW/SC2 are much more difficult to improve/perform than in LoL or Dota/HoN. This is just what I've picked up from my experiences with all games.

Because if you play enough games you hit your true rating. LoL players have a concept of "Elo Hell" where they think they are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and the only reason they are not 2k Elo is because they constantly get players who are terrible.

Trust me, it doesnt work like that. There are hundreds of examples of players deliberatly tanking their rating then going straight back to it.


From my experiences in Solo Queue, in 50% of the games, I'll get a team that I can work with, but in the other 50%, my team feeds, regardless of what I am able to do to assist them,.


And the true pros like SaintVicious was dropped to 0 ELO and carried his way back to 2k+ because he simply is that good. He managed to get teams working with him and he is just a fantastic player that was able to carry 4 people on his back through what other's would call "elo hell" where you are always the amazing star but the team drags you down harr harr.
unnar
Profile Joined April 2011
Iceland211 Posts
March 14 2012 15:53 GMT
#551
This makes me so sad
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#552
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.

I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
March 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#553
a "mis-translation " ...... it had to be kotaku.
HivMagnus
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden18 Posts
March 14 2012 15:55 GMT
#554
Can´t believe people arguing about what game is hardest.
If lol is like soccer,
Starcraft is like Tennis.

Its impossible to tell what sport or game that is hardest
It´s very indvidual.
free wins ftw!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 15:56:20
March 14 2012 15:55 GMT
#555
On March 15 2012 00:53 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 00:50 TwilightStar wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:37 TwilightStar wrote:
On March 14 2012 23:38 Shikyo wrote:

This is actually funny btw, I used to be in top 1.5% of SC2 and I've never been in like top 10% of LoL despite playing like 4 times more games of LoL.


Well, think about it: You said you were top 1.5% of SC2, in 1v1 correct? That could be due in part to the fact they are you are a good player, or had a lot of prior experience with brood war (i'm in the same boat as you, except I don't know whether you played BW or not)

You say that you haven't gotten to the top 10% of LoL, this is due in part to the fact that it's a 5v5 game.. You may be a very good player, but unless you are put with people of equal skill as yourself on your team, you may not see any further advancement. It doesn't really mean anything.


I don't know, I've been playing BW for longer than I have MOBA games, so I suppose that means I'm biased when I still believe that BW/SC2 are much more difficult to improve/perform than in LoL or Dota/HoN. This is just what I've picked up from my experiences with all games.

Because if you play enough games you hit your true rating. LoL players have a concept of "Elo Hell" where they think they are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and the only reason they are not 2k Elo is because they constantly get players who are terrible.

Trust me, it doesnt work like that. There are hundreds of examples of players deliberatly tanking their rating then going straight back to it.


From my experiences in Solo Queue, in 50% of the games, I'll get a team that I can work with, but in the other 50%, my team feeds, regardless of what I am able to do to assist them,.


And the true pros like SaintVicious was dropped to 0 ELO and carried his way back to 2k+ because he simply is that good. He managed to get teams working with him and he is just a fantastic player that was able to carry 4 people on his back through what other's would call "elo hell" where you are always the amazing star but the team drags you down harr harr.

Actually he just went Sword of the Divine and Leviathan every game, no communication needed. He won like 5 straight games when his team had a leave as well. He didnt have to communicate, he just straight bossed people.

Still remains the single greatest stream experience there has ever been. I was so sad when they fixed his Elo
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#556
Wow. Lol creators got it right. Who would've thought that a casual, free and easy game would be the #1 e-sports in KOREA? holy shit.

Yes, Riot does everthing right. They support their game with stream links on the front page of the game, tournament support, player support.

but..but... it just doesn't feel right..

I'm just sad.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#557
On March 15 2012 00:47 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 00:38 Fawkes wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:28 RonNation wrote:
this is NOT good for esports


yeah man...like not good...right?

why the hell is it not good for esports? just because the game you favour isn't #1 anymore?


In my view, I think it's problematic that a game like SC2 would be the frontrunner of e-sports because it has less appeal to those outside of gaming. Sure, SC2 has a larger casual player fanbase, but the credibility of esports in expansion is its ability to reach beyond the player-base into the broader mainstream population. BW is just better as a spectator sport. Many SC2 players I know readily acknowledge that it's not really interesting to watch. For one, the basic concept of two armies, resources, and destruction of opposing armies in BW is incredibly intuitive, whereas SC2 is bad. Second, BW is just better at visually representing skill. Whether it is an incredibly marine split, or even the sheer speed of FPVODs, it is much more distinguishable to the ordinary person. Third, SC2 is bad.

[Edit]: lol at the failure of the kotaku article, where having the largest singular instance of cash prize suddenly makes something the biggest esport...


Fix'd. See? I can turn any vague and unconvincing argument by just replacing a few words and a sentence.

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Ho0ps
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom216 Posts
March 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#558
Shame becuse LoL is just so boring to watch. I hope DOTA 2 becomes big, at least thats fun to watch.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 14 2012 15:57 GMT
#559
On March 15 2012 00:54 Bladeorade wrote:
I think it's funny people saying LoL is easier than SC2 while SC2 is one of the easiest competitive games.

I was high master SC2 and am only 1500 in LoL and I switched over in September. There is far more to LoL than mechanics and being good at one game does not necessarily translate to the next. I hope LoL becomes the new game it is far more fun and interesting than SC2


Other than BW I don't know what game is harder than SC2 and being high master doesn't mean you are that good at SC2 at all.
couches
Profile Joined November 2010
618 Posts
March 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#560
Why are people bitter about LoL being at the top instead of their precious SC2? They are in the same boat.

E-sports.

You're rocking your own boat complaining about it.
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