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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
If Bacon is Death, I do not wanna live. | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:14 Spieltor wrote: The more you cook something, the more the vitamins and other nutrients break down, too. Cooked vegetables, legumes, nuts, etc. All of it is less healthy when its cooked than raw. But noone is going to do a study saying that people are croaking 19% sooner due to not eating a zero burn diet. Basically true, but many vegetables become healthier if you warm them up then quickly cool them off, with the least amount of water necessary. Not boil or anything, just raise their temperature a bit. It makes many nutrients more accessible to the human body, while still keeping almost all of the volatile ones. | ||
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0mar
United States567 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:28 Piy wrote: These kind of selective studies are stupid. Now people will eat other animal products instead of bacon, but really any of them, combined with the high amount of salt found in bacon, are just as bad for you, due to their high amounts of fat and cholesterol, with little other nutrients. They really are the ultimate empty calories when you crunch the numbers on them. Wrong, wrong wrong. Meat is one of the most nutrient dense foods out there. In fact, there is no nutrient out there you cannot get by eating a meat product. For hundreds of thousands of years, mankind was served nearly fully by eating meat. Second, before anyone comes in here about life expectancy nonsense. Life expectancy is a measure of population fitness, not an individual's life span. You can have a population where either everyone lives to 70 years or die at birth and the life expectancy of that population would 35. | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
I would just like to point out that for every study out there, there is another study contradicting it. Just look at: -The effects of violent video games -The effects of violent television -Eggs -The adverse effects of marijuana -Global warming I'm tired as hell right now and can't think of anymore, but you get my point. I stopped buying into these studies when they started to say that video games fried brain cells. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Here is the study: No, "here is the article which talks about the study." The information is believable, but the difference is important. Don't preface any kind of journalism as a presentation of facts, because it will always be an interpretation / uneducated summary, which is often misleading to the general public (especially when the publication uses sensationalism to draw readers). I think it's pretty weird to have bacon EVERY day tho. I'm a little surprised by the number, but I'd need the actual study to see just where that number comes from. edit: and cyde above me is basically the perfect example of what I'm talking about. He saw a few sensationalist journalism articles and now doesn't believe anything. He vaguely recalls some connection between video games and violence, and a few contradicting journalism articles, and doesn't realise that the actual studies are much less likely to jump to conclusions. It sells better when you give a direct answer like a journalism article tries to, but much of the time the interesting new studies always suggest self-criticisms and 'more study is needed to reduce unaccounted factors' etc. Well, what more can be said  Science is skeptical as most people would want it to be, journalism is often spineless. Science is not the same as journalism. | ||
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stichtom
Italy695 Posts
Everything is bad for you beside vegetables | ||
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
But the numbers reported are kind of misleading. "eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period". I mean the top quintile got 23% more deaths than the lowest quintile for processed meats when looking at the whole sample. Also "all cause mortality" isn't the best measurement and processed meats were the worst. So the risks are lower than they look when described like the quote. Anyway, despite many factors that could still go into skewing the results I think there is probably a causal relationship. Would be interesting to know what mechanisms could be at play. I like my red meat too much so I will probably just go on eating it. Possibly a bit less. Edit: I found the study free online http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287 | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:39 stichtom wrote: We don't eat bacon in Italy. Everything is bad for you beside vegetables That's cool, cause here in the USA pizza is a vegetable. ... I wonder if that counts for Bacon pizza. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:42 Chargelot wrote: That's cool, cause here in the USA pizza is a vegetable. ... I wonder if that counts for Bacon pizza. In Denmark, bacon is a mineral, we dig it out of our bacon mines | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:44 ELA wrote: In Denmark, bacon is a mineral, we dig it out of our bacon mines According to this study, a day at the bacon mines must be instant death. I feel sorry for your people. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:39 Chef wrote: No, "here is the article which talks about the study." The information is believable, but the difference is important. Don't preface any kind of journalism as a presentation of facts, because it will always be an interpretation / uneducated summary, which is often misleading to the general public (especially when the publication uses sensationalism to draw readers). I think it's pretty weird to have bacon EVERY day tho. I'm a little surprised by the number, but I'd need the actual study to see just where that number comes from. edit: and cyde above me is basically the perfect example of what I'm talking about. He saw a few sensationalist journalism articles and now doesn't believe anything. He vaguely recalls some connection between video games and violence, and a few contradicting journalism articles, and doesn't realise that the actual studies are much less likely to jump to conclusions. It sells better when you give a direct answer like a journalism article tries to, but much of the time the interesting new studies always suggest self-criticisms and 'more study is needed to reduce unaccounted factors' etc. Well, what more can be said Science is skeptical as most people would want it to be, journalism is often spineless. Science is not the same as journalism.i added in the actual study based on the guy who found a free version. i am not sure why you are so upset about this. it is very clear that the quoted portion comes from an article discussing the study, not the actual study itself. if people cant comprehend that then you should ignore them. | ||
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PolskaGora
United States547 Posts
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:48 PolskaGora wrote: Luckily, I am part, or the only one, of the group that don't like bacon. The taste is terrible! But I do enjoy partaking in the consumption of meat May god have mercy on your soul | ||
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:04 Twisted wrote: 'Red meat is bad'-ideas are based on complete and utter bullshit studies. Most of these studies don't take into account the factor of health consciousness of people. Red meat is viewed as an unhealthy type of food so people that are health conscious eat less of it. However, they also smoke less, drink less, eat less sugar etc. But hey, red meat must be the evil-doer. Red meat if from any natural source (grass-fed cows or wild game) is superhealthy and full of good saturated fatty acids. Processed meat is obviously bad, doesn't matter if it comes from a cow, pig or a chicken. And most of the bacon that you find in the supermarket is very processed but if you were to eat unprocessed healthy bacon from healthy pigs, you'd be eating a very healthy type of meat. Hard to find though. For some reason they always add sugar to bacon and other gross stuff. Media loves these kind of studies though so as long as they scream it into society with big headlines, it must be true. Agreed. I talked to a researcher the other day who had recently done a similar study on the effects of various forms of pork on blood chemistry. Her sample size? 3. 3 people, in a series of diet-controlled visits. Drawing conclusions for the population at large based on that is ridiculous, but what are you going to do? Studies are expensive. If they go for a broader sample size, it is highly likely that they're not controlling many variables, just asking people what they ate. Identifying and correcting for bias in a statistical manner might be possible, but it sounds like a nightmare to me. I also agree that there's a difference between conventionally farmed in concentrated animal feeding operations and more naturally farmed (grassfed/finished, pasture raised) meats. Hormone levels, both natural (stress) and supplemented (growth hormone, for example) are different, as is the fatty acid balance. When making decisions about such a complicated subject, I think it is best to find out exactly what you're eating before you do so. Organic apple, not too many questions there. Processed chicken "nuggets"... Not so sure. Personally, given the following 3 choices: vegetarian, conventional omnivore, selective (with respect to meat) omnivore, I've opted for #3. If naturally raised meat weren't available, I'd consider a mainly vegetarian diet, though I doubt I could cut meat out entirely. disclosure: I actually work with a farmer who raises his animals on grass, so I have easier access to the stuff and a bit of bias in that direction. | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote: lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl. BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:33 0mar wrote: Wrong, wrong wrong. Meat is one of the most nutrient dense foods out there. In fact, there is no nutrient out there you cannot get by eating a meat product. For hundreds of thousands of years, mankind was served nearly fully by eating meat. Second, before anyone comes in here about life expectancy nonsense. Life expectancy is a measure of population fitness, not an individual's life span. You can have a population where either everyone lives to 70 years or die at birth and the life expectancy of that population would 35. Only in rare instances like in the far north where vegetables/fruits/nuts/seeds etc were extremely rare and all you had was seals, etc. Most places people ate a variety of fruits/vegetables/berries/nuts and little meat, except for celebrations/rituals. There are exceptions, some ancient peoples ate lots of meat, but they were only exceptions, but according to the stomachs, teeth, etc that we have found of most ancient peoples, the "Meat" diet your describing is pretty bogus. Also our teeth and intestines are more similar to that of a herbivore than that of an omnivore. | ||
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