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So eating something unhealthy every single day is bad for you?
I AM SO SHOCKED!!!
Studies in the obvious make me sad. Well no kidding eating bacon every day for 20 years is bad for you. This is why I eat bacon only every once in a while. Things like bacon and red meat are great in moderation. That being the key word and a word that so few people seem to understand. Everything in excess will kill you, including water. Different foods just have different amounts on what is ok and what is excessive. The sooner people learn to pay attention to what they eat instead of just shoving mass quantities of the crap that tastes good into their mouths, the better.
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On March 14 2012 03:56 Shiragaku wrote:
Well really...should we be surprised?
Seriously, I'm already well aware of the risk involved with consuming large amounts of heaven bacon. I actually don't eat it that often (more due to being expensive than health reasons) but whenever I add bacon to my meals, I joke about eating death because it sort of is.
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On March 14 2012 04:57 Utinni wrote:
Eat like pig
By eating pig
To die like pig...
Gotcha
you must be nuts 
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On March 14 2012 04:01 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:59 OPL3SA2 wrote:
"Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying."
I think you may want to check your numbers there "eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period."
Who eats bacon or a hot dog every day for 20 years. That sounds a bit off the charts or am I missing something? Seems like the normal "Anything in excess is bad for you". Common sense type stuff.
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'Red meat is bad'-ideas are based on complete and utter bullshit studies.
Most of these studies don't take into account the factor of health consciousness of people. Red meat is viewed as an unhealthy type of food so people that are health conscious eat less of it. However, they also smoke less, drink less, eat less sugar etc. But hey, red meat must be the evil-doer.
Red meat if from any natural source (grass-fed cows or wild game) is superhealthy and full of good saturated fatty acids. Processed meat is obviously bad, doesn't matter if it comes from a cow, pig or a chicken. And most of the bacon that you find in the supermarket is very processed but if you were to eat unprocessed healthy bacon from healthy pigs, you'd be eating a very healthy type of meat. Hard to find though. For some reason they always add sugar to bacon and other gross stuff.
Media loves these kind of studies though so as long as they scream it into society with big headlines, it must be true.
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I eat hotdogs and bacon on a regular basis... daaaaaaaaamn
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The study is garbage because they count things like spaghetti with meatballs, pepperoni pizza, burgers with buns, hotdogs with buns as red meat meals.
Secondly, there was no experiment conducted in this study. They just asked a bunch of people survey questions (what did you eat yesterday, etc etc) and followed them for a bunch of years to see outcomes.
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Western Bacon Cheeseburger, fries, and a Coke.
Don't bother me, I'm eating.
No seriously, I'm gonna remain in that 80th percentile that doesn't die until ... well I'm old and gray. It's like a cycle ... coffee gonna kill you, red meat gonna kill you, sushi gonna kill you, back to another study on coffee--but now its gonna reduce your risk for X disease, ditto on the red meat, etc etc.
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lol people still care about this kind of studies...
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On March 14 2012 05:04 Twisted wrote:
'Red meat is bad'-ideas are based on complete and utter bullshit studies.
Most of these studies don't take into account the factor of health consciousness of people. Red meat is viewed as an unhealthy type of food so people that are health conscious eat less of it. However, they also smoke less, drink less, eat less sugar etc. But hey, red meat must be the evil-doer.
Red meat if from any natural source (grass-fed cows or wild game) is superhealthy and full of good saturated fatty acids. Processed meat is obviously bad, doesn't matter if it comes from a cow, pig or a chicken. And most of the bacon that you find in the supermarket is very processed but if you were to eat unprocessed healthy bacon from healthy pigs, you'd be eating a very healthy type of meat. Hard to find though. For some reason they always add sugar to bacon and other gross stuff.
Media loves these kind of studies though so as long as they scream it into society with big headlines, it must be true.
Everyone here needs to understand that in order to get your PhD or whatever, to pass from uindergraduate status, you need to get published. In order to get published, you have to find something you can bite at, even if its wrong. If it attempts to refute past knowledge, so much the better. Why else would eggs be good, then bad, then good again?
The more you cook something, the more the vitamins and other nutrients break down, too. Cooked vegetables, legumes, nuts, etc. All of it is less healthy when its cooked than raw. But noone is going to do a study saying that people are croaking 19% sooner due to not eating a zero burn diet.
And if one considers these points, and the fact that cancer came into the lime light after AIDs, its quite easy to see that everyone is just jumpnig on the "link this to cancer/death" bandwagon lately.
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perhaps the people who eat red meat are less health conscious... seems a fair assessment.
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On March 14 2012 04:57 Utinni wrote:
Eat like pig
By eating pig
To die like pig...
Machine for pigs
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On March 14 2012 05:17 r_con wrote:
perhaps the people who eat red meat are less health conscious... seems a fair assessment.
Nah, 90% of my diet is fresh vegetables or fruit. I am extremely health conscious and yet I still enjoy red meat and bacon from time to time.
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Well I certainly feel bad for the guys from EpicMealTime....
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Dear everyone in the whole wide world,
There is science.
And there is statistics.
Please stop confusing these two things. They are different. That's why you're reading a study, and not a lab report. It doesn't matter if the study came from Fox news or Oxford University, it's still taking two completely independent things and linking them for the sake of selling you their information.
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On March 14 2012 05:17 r_con wrote:
perhaps the people who eat red meat are less health conscious... seems a fair assessment.
except one of the studies found that its processed red meat that is the issue, not necessarily red meat itself.
"In a new study, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) have found that eating processed meat, such as bacon, sausage or processed deli meats, was associated with a 42% higher risk of heart disease and a 19% higher risk of type 2 diabetes. In contrast, the researchers did not find any higher risk of heart disease or diabetes among individuals eating unprocessed red meat, such as from beef, pork, or lamb."
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I always hated studies like this.
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Being born has a 100% mortality rate. Best sterilize the population to ensure no one dies in the future.
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On March 14 2012 05:24 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 05:17 r_con wrote:
perhaps the people who eat red meat are less health conscious... seems a fair assessment. except one of the studies found that its processed red meat that is the issue, not necessarily red meat itself. "In a new study, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) have found that eating processed meat, such as bacon, sausage or processed deli meats, was associated with a 42% higher risk of heart disease and a 19% higher risk of type 2 diabetes. In contrast, the researchers did not find any higher risk of heart disease or diabetes among individuals eating unprocessed red meat, such as from beef, pork, or lamb."
There is no mechanism by which protein/fat can cause Type 2 diabetes because T2 diabetes is characterized by a glucose intolerance. The only way this is possible is when you add in all that extra such as fries, buns, bread, crust, etc etc that goes with the meat meal. Remember, these researchers grouped things like burgers with buns, pepperoni pizza and spaghetti with meatballs as all being "red meat" meals when 50% or more of the calories could be coming from carbohydrates.
That alone makes this study absolute garbage.
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