On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
i don't think people get offended by fat people as much as they go: "omg why is this person so fat, if i was that fat I'd totally work on losing that weight, if he chooses not to he must be lazy and stupid or he just doesn't know he's fat" I think everyone should just be nicer towards other people, every person is different and you don't know what goes on in other people's heads so you shouldn't judge them.
This is all a travesty backed by McDonalds and other food corporations. People need to stop finding retarded excuses why their life sucks, they need to stop being insulted by objective criticism, stop whining, sitting around, watching commercials, buying shit they don't need and just start living. I'd argue that "living" in its true sense absolutely involves daily exhaustion due to exercise or at least copious amounts of sex.
This.
Man you don't really get it. The human body is designed to be used. The whole hormonal profile of a person who excercises is different and better than the one of the person sitting on his ass (no matter if fat or thin). Exhausting your body once per day or per two days contributes to increased serotonin levels. Aka, you feel happy. No, no trust me, tired but happy.
Informing children about obesity is the correct way to go. Except from the rare disorder / hormonal problem that forces one to be fat, it is a matter of choice and free will. I agree that it is not as simple as "eat less" because every body has a different pattern in its metabolism. And I agree that a few people may just eat junk food for their whole lives and never get fat, while others strive with daily excercise and good nutrition (and btw healty food tastes better). But that is exactly that. The exception. Rest of us gotta work for it. And it is worth every drop of sweat.
There is no reason to try and hide the truth from the children. Go fat = less self esteem = lost oportunities in life (usually). And a whole lot of health problems. It is not a social tabboo, obese people are everywhere (and we are talking about the US now, so...). But the kids and most importantly their parents must make a conscious decision to abort junk food. To cook for themselves healthy and to live, instead of trying to feel better by "fat accepting bullshit".
So get out there, exhaust your body every couple of days, while eating healthier and you will be amazed by how good you will feel. And after you do that teach your kids to do it as well. Shoving one's head in the sand (or lasagna ) does not eradicate the issue of both self esteem and health problems obese people have. Educating and therefore making people have more chances to do something about it, does help.
Love this post...
It's amazing how a little sun and a little sweat can blend together and make you feel so damn good.
Yes, there are people genetically inclined to gain more weight than others. But in America this cannot be the explanation. In essence they are all immigrant for the last couple hundred years or so. As far as I know the early settlers weren´t obese. Not everyone was allowed to immigrate. At times people allowed to immigrate were "sorted". Obese genes don´t come from nowhere. When obesity drastically increases in short time, let´s say less than 100 years, it friggin can´t be genetics. Genes need much more time to spread. You would have to explain that obese people reproduced way more than slim people. And I never heard anything like that.
On March 06 2012 19:07 Mataza wrote: Laughing here.
Yes, there are people genetically inclined to gain more weight than others. But in America this cannot be the explanation. In essence they are all immigrant for the last couple hundred years or so. As far as I know the early settlers weren´t obese. Not everyone was allowed to immigrate. At times people allowed to immigrate were "sorted". Obese genes don´t come from nowhere. When obesity drastically increases in short time, let´s say less than 100 years, it friggin can´t be genetics. It´s a problem of society.
Yep its the huge amounts of readily available high calorie food, plus laziness, plus genetics.
Humans have always had genes that allow us to gain fat fast, it was a huge boon to us in the past with the fickle nature of hunter gathering and primitive agriculture, now those same genes are working against us.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
How does drinking affect other people?
Drinking can affect other people, unless you drink alone locked up in your house, which is sad and most people don't.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
because it is an enormous financial strain to society not only rivaling but surpassing alcohol and smoking combined?
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
How does drinking affect other people?
if you drive your car into a group of people because you were drunk then you affected other people.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
because it is an enormous financial strain to society not only rivaling but surpassing alcohol and smoking combined?
Now, i probably wouldn't be called "fat" by most people, but i am a few kilograms overwieght (maybe 5-8). And looking at my relatives, im probably genetically inclined to gain weight fairly easily. That said, i would never, EVER, be insulted if someone told me my extra kgs were unhealthy... What the hell is wrong with people? Whats next? Alcholism can also be "caused" be genetic predisposition, should we not be allowed to tell them it is unhealthy?
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
because it is an enormous financial strain to society not only rivaling but surpassing alcohol and smoking combined?
Anyone who thinks obesity doesn't affect anyone else is fooling themselves. You require bigger and more beds, shortened life expectancy, increased of heart disease, diabetes etc etc. There is NOTHING good about being obese. The increased health burden not to mention the increased consumption is not good.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
How does drinking affect other people?
if you drive your car into a group of people because you were drunk then you affected other people.
That's not a direct effect of just being drunk, though.
If you're using that as an example, being fat affects other people indirectly as well. Fat people tire more easily, which makes them unreliable and a weak link in a number of activities (and less productive at work in general). They consume more food than an average human requires, while many other people starve. They put an unnecessary strain on welfare and health insurance systems that also struggle to cover the whole population.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
because it is an enormous financial strain to society not only rivaling but surpassing alcohol and smoking combined?
e: retardedly long google links tinyurlized. linking to google so skeptics can try finding their own proof that it's actually harmless genes that make them weigh 300lbs and that it really doesn't bother anyone. fwiw i'm all for personal choice be it drug use, overeating the fuck out of bacon, drinking yourself braindead or smoking til' you drop but let's just be honest about it being dumb, hedonistic, selfish and expensive to others moreso than you.
On March 06 2012 18:41 oldgregg wrote: I don't get why people get so offended by fat people. They're fat, who cares! How does it affect you?
Not everyone worries only about themselves.
People are inter-dependent and living in a healthy society is beneficial for everyone.
So shall we go round being dicks to smokers and skydivers and drinkers and stuntmen and anyone else who puts their own life at risk?
We're already being dicks to smokers and drinkers - in many countries there are very few places where you are allowed to smoke legally, and you're not allowed to do a lot of activities while drunk either (work, drive, etc).
Those 2 activities affect other people though. How does obesity affect anyone but yourself?
because it is an enormous financial strain to society not only rivaling but surpassing alcohol and smoking combined?
Those are three scientific studies conducted that show that obesity in the general public increases the cost of health care for everyone. Might not be able to read the whole publication, cause they are the original sources but at least you can read the abstract.
On March 06 2012 16:37 Gustis wrote: "The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance immediately condemned the exhibit..." How's that even possible to have such an association? Could anyone elaborate why this is not retarded?
as this thread shows, a majority of people seem to think it's ok to make fat people feel bad about themselves. someone even argued that fat people should be bullied until they start losing weight. lol. you really don't see how an association like that can make sense?
With extremely miniscule examples of real illnesses(hormone deficiencies etc.), obesity equals eating more calories than using up. In your sense, how come we don't have The National Association to Advance Alcoholism Acceptance or The National Association to Advance Cigarette Smoking Acceptance? Because just like the chronic alcoholics and smokers, the obese people are choosing to live an unhealthy and socially/economically damaging lifestyle not only for themselves, but for other people.
have you been an alcoholic, a smoker or obese? if not, you really dont know what you're talking about. none of these is a choice like "today i'm going for a walk".
Bullshit. I was obese but have since lost over 50 pounds last year, and I'm still working hard towards losing more. My dad was a chronic smoker who now quit because he found the motivation to do so. Sure it's fucking hard to give up smoking, eating or alcohol, but it's still a choice. You just have to work your ass off (no pun intended) to get where you want to go.
like you said... IT'S FUCKING HARD. and statistically almost no one can change these habbits.
"bullshit", i only asked whether you've been in such a situation yourself. ohhhh such a bullshit question. god you're full of shit. hope you gain all your weight again like i did <3
i'm out guys. arguing is so no fun at all :p
Wastes a lot of calories too, I imagine.
Edit: For the sake of continent equality, I demand that the mod who counted the european "it's not funny" responses in Rets (pretty hilarious) Mentoring trollthread now counts the american "you can't help being fat" excuses posts here.
"fat acceptance" blogs are one of the most hilarious things to read on the internet. Delusional people who believe doctors, scientists and anybody who raises awareness about obesity is out to get them, and do what they do out of hate. You see 400lbs+ landplanets in motorized scooters who claim they are healthy (not dead is the new healthy it seems). You see people eating more calories/day than olympic athletes talking about how unfair it is that their genetics are so bad, and that they cant do anything about it.
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