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On March 06 2012 21:10 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 19:41 oldgregg wrote:
Thanks for the stats guys, it's good to see people actually backing their shit up.
Ok so obesity is a scourge on our society. I still think there are better ways of dealing with this than just being dicks to fat people. Surely people need to be motivated and educated about health and obesity, not bullied. At the end of the day though it's their own choice what they do with their bodies and if they want to stuff themselves with donuts then we can't stop them People aren't saying we should be dicks to them, they are saying we shouldn't act like its normal and healthy to lead a lifestyle such as this because it isn't, and by society accepting it obese people will be less motivated to do something about it. It is detrimental to the individual who will likely suffer through increased health risks and shorter life span as well as the psychological impact it has on their self esteem, and it is detrimental to society because it puts extreme pressure on an already fragile health system. Call me an asshole but I would much prefer hospital beds be taken up by people with conditions outside of their control, as opposed to a bunch of smokers and obese individuals who knew the health risks involved yet refused to do anything about it. Also please don't put any words in my mouth, I said I would prefer it, not saying they don't deserve hospital beds.
Actually the best way to be a dick to a fat guy is to say it's ok that he is fat because in doing so you support his way of life - which brings him no beautiful girls = no good sex = less happiness , being out of shape makes you feel rather shitty , you're not healthy etc etc.. So the best way to act to a fat guy is simply say he is a fat and he needs to wake up, start a diet and some exercise, you won't help him by saying it's np that your fat if you feel like loosing weight you know, that what you want to do ( I never advise people on what to do out of my own initiative, but If I'm asked I won't bullshit him ). Anyways when I got fat everyone was like "Jesus you're so fat wtf are you doing you need to do something about it", and it's better than the political correctness whoresh*t.
No one should impose on what people should do, however no one should impose what people should say that they should do.
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Obesity is becoming just as prevelant in the uk as the us - just walk around primark (the mentality of which is part of a very similar class of problems imo). Crap clothes that are economically very expensive as they are cheap to buy but die after wearing them twice. Bit like a burger king burger ... cheap to buy but it dies inside of you causing the carcass of some goblin to leak out of your anus.
Hate to break it to you but sex does not = happiness. Contentment = happiness ...
there IS nothing wrong with being fat. You are applying your value system to someone else which makes you an opinionated asshole. Should people prefer to be fat over healthy ... hell no. Is being fat wrong? They ahve nothing to do with each other ... punching an old lady in the face is wrong, being a fat bastard is a lifestyle. Being intolerant is far worse - being a hedonist that thinks happiness = sex is just plain disturbing (especially when dissing the hedonist that prefers to shove things in his face rather than pussy)
I totally agree with your summary tho ;;p
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Here's the thing about political correctness - you've got lawmakers. These lawmakers have to solve X number of issues such as the economy, moral issues, illegal immigration etc.
Problem is, they never agree on said issues, and we get gridlock. So lawmakers' solution to not look incompetent, is to come up with these bullshit laws and organizations and redressing everything, with the end product being we're using the term "gravitationally challenged" instead of "fat", and nothing really gets done.
But it's good for the lawmakers because they get to say "hurr durr we agreed on something and I can get stuff done vote for me next election". Which people do.
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I like how there are so many people, who despite realizing that some people are more prone to gain weight due to genetics, still judge them for being overweight. If I was fat, I wouldn't accept living my life differently from others and watching what I eat more than a regular person, just because I put on some extra pounds. Changing the way you live just because of some "social rule" that you shouldn't be fat. Better stop gaming as well.
Obviously being obese to the point that your health is in danger is very bad and you should get help, but so should smokers.
Edit: this wasn't directed towards the OP but rather some of the posts I read in the thread.
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On March 06 2012 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
I like how there are so many people, who despite realizing that some people are more prone to gain weight due to genetics, still judge them for being overweight. If I was fat, I wouldn't accept living my life differently from others and watching what I eat more than a regular person, just because I put on some extra pounds. Changing the way you live just because of some "social rule" that you shouldn't be fat. Better stop gaming as well.
Obviously being obese to the point that your health is in danger is very bad and you should get help, but so should smokers.
Edit: this wasn't directed towards the OP but rather some of the posts I read in the thread.
It's the same with anything though. Some people are more prone to laziness, or forgetfulness. Does this mean we just dismiss it when they fail to turn up to work on time, or forget to do an important task just because genetically they are more challenged? Now obviously you can't compare things this easily, but the point remains that outside of extreme circumstances, you don't just go around making exceptions for people because genetically they are more challenged. Some people aren't born as intelligent as others, should they just not bother studying for a test because they finder it harder than the brightest kid in the class, or should they study harder to compensate for this?
Saying that keeping in shape is harder for some people, hence they don't have to bother trying is nothing but a poor excuse for everybody but the extremely small minority who actually have a condition that makes it impossible for them to stay in shape.
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On March 06 2012 17:39 VTPerfect wrote:
Pretty fail arguments from the pro exhibit side. Calorie input vs output is an extreme gross oversimplification of the biological processes that aren't even close to being fully understood. Doctors aren't going to say its your fault you got Arthritis, they aren't going to say its your fault you got a brain tumor and they aren't going to say its your fault you got Fat because there simply isn't enough evidence to conclusively say anything.
Really tired of posters using arguments like, "they are just lazy", "they need to eat less" "they need some tough love". Its pretty much the same flawed arguments about non-korean starcraft players (i find the term foreigner offensive). What exactly is your agenda anyways...
Well, it's a fact that it's impossible to gain weight if your calorie input is smaller or equal to your output. In addition, there are genetic factors that can make you more prone to obesity. You can have a slow metabolism and/or increased appetite. Physical prolems and a busy lifestyle can be additional risk for obesity. But the truth of the matter is that it is impossible to gain weight if you pay attention to your diet. For some people it's easy, for other's difficult and some might have to completely abstain from candy and junk food, but everybody can avoid being overweight with enough dedication.
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Having a show won't help kids become any thinner than they are. It will merely transfer the idea of good and bad to thin and fat. It'll just put more psychological pressure and stress on those kids because now the fat kids are Rock Bottom and the thin kids are Will Power. And we know what Will Power does to Rock Bottom,. Kick his ass !
There's a genetic component to being fat or not. To say there there is no genetics involved would be quite revolutionary because that would mean there's a physical characteristic in a human being that does not have a genetic origin.
And that would mean that when it comes to processing food we'd all be the same whilst being different in every other way.
But, since when is genetics an excuse ?
I get fat easily. I've seen people stuff lots more food in their mouths and exercise just as much as I did (ie no exercise) but just saying that it's genetics won't stop a heart attack from jacking me from this world will it ?
So even if you have a genetic disposition towards geining weight quicker, you can't let yourself be fat. Not because other monkeys like on this thread have become beauty fascists by watching too much TV and subscribe to some retarded overstretched beauty ideal, but because it's instrumental in having a good healthy life.
That show will do fuck all to the health of fat kids. Fat kids already know they're fat and get reminded of that fact on a regular basis. Just create a health program where losing weight isn;t made to be the effort-equivalent of climbing mount everest.
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You'd have to be mad to try and cast (childhood) obesity in positive light.
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People forget that obesity is, first of all, a health issue.
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On March 06 2012 22:27 zerglingrodeo wrote:
What in the fuck is that second 'article'? I can hardly make sense of it... from what language was it google translated into English?
Yeah it wasn't written very well. I just typed in "walt disney world childhood obesity exhibit" into google and got some more comprehensible articles to read. A better article from the Toronto Sun: Link
Incidentally I don't think the problem is as clear cut as people make it out to be from the OP. From the articles it looks like Disney oversimplified the exhibits without taking into account all the other problems that lead to weight gain which have become more prevalent int he 21st century, and secondly the way in which the exhibit was presented tended to "villainize" kids.
For the former: Ottawa bariatric surgeon Yoni Freedhoff said: "The problem is quite complicated despite the fact that there is this truism that involves eating fewer calories and/or burning more of them. That truism is about as useful as buy low/sell high would be to making you a millionaire in the stock market. It's true. It's just not helpful."
For the latter:
According to the spokesperson of the group: "They (Disney officials) said the goal is really to teach people how to be healthy. I said I get that, but you can't be villainizing children of size," Discipio said.
And: From the petition supported by the National Association of Fat Acceptance "The attraction and game feature negative stereotypical characters, traditionally used to torment overweight kids, will potentially reinforce and strengthen a cycle of bullying, depression, disease, eating disorders and even suicidal thoughts," the petition stated.
I really don't think they're saying that no one should ever support the medical data that's out there linking obesity to a number of diseases or heart problems, or that spreading this information is equivalent to bullying children. Its just as stated; the information was too simplified and perhaps it propagated certain stereotypes that are no longer true, and that the way in which the information was presented wasn't supportive but rather degrading.
I think the OP would benefit from some more detailed articles.
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Obviously there are plenty of health issues relating to being overweight, and I suppose that it doesn't matter if that's due to it being a genetic problem or you simply not taking care of your body over the years.
I'm unsure of how you can tax obese people and not fit people. I'm fit but don't mind the occasional fast food burger. Should we all wear bracelets with our body mass index and medical stats so that we get discounts?
Advertising and talking with your doctor can certainly help, but there's definitely an important distinction between self-image and acceptance of unhealthy behavior in society. Leading a healthier lifestyle is a choice, and you don't want to be so ostracized that you start taking inappropriate measures to lose weight. At the same time, it has to be made clear that weighing 300 pounds when you're 5'6'' is not a good thing.
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what I see gone mad is is this obsession of control freaks telling everyone how to live and what is acceptable and not.
Most of these control freaks are all bellow 90 IQ and can't even name more than 5 countries.
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The problems with fat shaming has nothing to do with being fat--it has to do with the American idealization of being skinny.
It is attempting to curve the media idealization of skinny anorexic super models and shaming anyone who is curvy as being inferior for not looking lanky like a runway model.
The importance of body acceptance has nothing to do with saying that it is okay to be fat or obese, it has to do with shifting the blame away from personal choice and moving it towards cultural norms that need to be curbed. And so instead of saying "Americans are fat because they eat McDonalds all the time," body acceptance arguments suggests that the phrase be changed to something more akin to "government policy supports the proliferation of McDonalds instead of healthier alternatives and hence people are normalized into buying McDonalds more than healthier alternatives."
TLDR
Fat acceptance wants to shift blame from getting upset at fat people to getting upset at American policy. Instead of asking "why do fat people eat fast food?" ask the question "why does government tax/subsidy laws make fast food restaurants more profitable than healthier alternatives?"
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On March 06 2012 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
I like how there are so many people, who despite realizing that some people are more prone to gain weight due to genetics, still judge them for being overweight. If I was fat, I wouldn't accept living my life differently from others and watching what I eat more than a regular person, just because I put on some extra pounds. Changing the way you live just because of some "social rule" that you shouldn't be fat. Better stop gaming as well.
Obviously being obese to the point that your health is in danger is very bad and you should get help, but so should smokers.
Edit: this wasn't directed towards the OP but rather some of the posts I read in the thread.
Smokers are heavily taxed, have (recently) a bad image, get "smoking kills you and others around you" shoved in their face every time they buy a packet (in some cases even explicit photos of tarred lungs), get quite a fair amount of crap over 2nd hand smoke, and are restricted when it comes to where they are allowed to smoke. I'm not sure about their health insurance rates either. (I'm in favor of all those things)
On the other hand we're discussing about this disney park attraction being too tough on the poor fat people.
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On March 06 2012 16:37 ZessiM wrote:I don't really know what to say about this article, it's so horrendously written Show nested quote +Critics claimed that the generally exhibit reinforced the stereotypes that children suffering from are generally have deprived eating patterns. Doctors further claimed that obesity can, at most of the times, go all the way down to genetics as well as a variety of other aspects like food and medications can be employed in the form of a mechanism. What is that, I don't even. I'd like to see more evidence that it is 'political correctness' that is hindering the campaign against advertisement directed at children. I can see the link between the disney world exhibit and the possibility that political correctness is causing trouble for such exhibits, but I don't understand why you believe it is political correctness that is holding back the campaign against advertisement directed at children.
Agreed completely. In Disney's case, more likely than anything else, it's being held back because it's a stupid idea for an attraction. You've already ignored most fit people who won't give a shit, and will inevitably make overweight people feel uncomfortable in a place people visit so they won't feel uncomfortable.
You could make the equivalent attraction in Disney for bullying or any other societal problem, and the reaction would be "What the fuck is this doing here?"
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On March 06 2012 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Obviously there are plenty of health issues relating to being overweight, and I suppose that it doesn't matter if that's due to it being a genetic problem or you simply not taking care of your body over the years.
I'm unsure of how you can tax obese people and not fit people. I'm fit but don't mind the occasional fast food burger. Should we all wear bracelets with our body mass index and medical stats so that we get discounts?
Advertising and talking with your doctor can certainly help, but there's definitely an important distinction between self-image and acceptance of unhealthy behavior in society. Leading a healthier lifestyle is a choice, and you don't want to be so ostracized that you start taking inappropriate measures to lose weight. At the same time, it has to be made clear that weighing 300 pounds when you're 5'6'' is not a good thing.
Well they could tax things like soda, but the corn lobby wouldn't have any of it.
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Man I wouldn't even treat my kids with any fast food, My little brother is already spoiled with fast food. He wouldn't eat any traditional Vietnamese food, only if it's fried or battered...
He's a bit chubby and couldn't run for shit. When he says he wants water, he actually means carbonated drinks or juice.
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Well... and here i thought i had heard/saw everything crazy coming from the USA. This is just surreal lol, at a total loss for words.
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The fact that this 'National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance' exists makes me embarrassed to be an American. Seriously what the fuck is this, the childhood obesity rate is climbing every year, Disney goes out of their way to budget in something that would aid the problem, and boom, it's shutdown by negative press from some ridiculous excuse for a legitimate organization?
Yeah, people may be genetically inclined toward being overweight...but what percentage of those individuals comprise the absurd amount of obese people living in America. This is just another fucking excuse for people to continue on blaming their poor health on something aside from their own self. People just need to stop making excuses and get their priorities straight, I'd imagine a human life is worth more than a couple hours of TV a day. I'll be the first to admit I put of coursework till the last minute but I'll be damned if I don't get in gym time and a run every. fucking. day. (besides Sunday >.>)
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