EPTPolitical correctness gone mad - childhood obesity - Page 15
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
On March 08 2012 06:10 ilikeredheads wrote: + Show Spoiler + fat country USA, large and in charge meanwhile in many third world counties, children are dying from starvation left and right....... wow that fuckin video... just WOW I can't even believe it (wait yes I can this is 'murica) | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
"We have stupid doctors: Doctors further claimed that obesity can, at most of the times, go all the way down to genetics as well as a variety of other aspects like food and medications can be employed in the form of a mechanism." No... It would be journalists cherry-picking a doctor's words. | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yPWv7hyVL._SS500_.jpg) I am about to read this book. I read how the corn subsidies in this country created a nation addicted to dense starchy carbs and sweeteners. The high insulin response of these foods creates a cycle where the body gets put into 'starvation' mode and refuses to burn recently converted glucose, opting to rather eat more. This is the main reason I am on a paleolithic diet. I believe our ancestors simply were not evolved to consume this way. We have been eating lean meat, fruits and vegetables for hundreds of thousands of a years. Compare that to the fairly recent occurrence of agriculture where we figured out how to process a previously indigestible grain that has little nutritional value and requires a high insulin response but actually generates low blood glucose. | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
The spoiler gets a little ranty sorry but some posts I saw in this thread got me a little upset and I wanted to say some things about them. + Show Spoiler + Alot of these posts are disgusting, some people need to think about what they are posting beofre they hit that button. Aceptence and support are two totally different things, some of these posts make it sound like its ok to discriminate aginst obese people even though most people posting probobly have no idea what "fat" people have to go though. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who have been overweight since elementry school, both parents are obese and they have been thier whole lives so they don't know how to deal with an obese kid because they don't know how to be heathly. Add on top of that a good helping of bulling during school and emotional issues casued by that, HOW FUCKING HARD DO YOU THINK IT IS FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT TO GET INTO SHAPE LET ALONE DO IT WHILE GOING THROUGH A YOUNG ADULT LIFE BUT YOUR BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECUASE YOU ARE WAY OVERWEIGHT. But yeah most of these posts are alright but some of them have no idea what they are talking about, so please do yourself a favor if you dont have first hand knowledge of these issues and just stop posting bullshit. | ||
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
This mindset is prevalent all over society and it stems from this magical idea that if you are offended you are entitled to some sort of compensation. When in reality, when you are offended, nothing happens. You can't please all of the people all of the time and the fat acceptance society seems like a backwards way of going about it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:00 Trotske wrote: Obesity is a very important issue and I think alot of people dont have the knoweldge to form educated opinions on the issue but its obviously a problem. The spoiler gets a little ranty sorry but some posts I saw in this thread got me a little upset and I wanted to say some things about them. + Show Spoiler + Alot of these posts are disgusting, some people need to think about what they are posting beofre they hit that button. Aceptence and support are two totally different things, some of these posts make it sound like its ok to discriminate aginst obese people even though most people posting probobly have no idea what "fat" people have to go though. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who have been overweight since elementry school, both parents are obese and they have been thier whole lives so they don't know how to deal with an obese kid because they don't know how to be heathly. Add on top of that a good helping of bulling during school and emotional issues casued by that, HOW FUCKING HARD DO YOU THINK IT IS FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT TO GET INTO SHAPE LET ALONE DO IT WHILE GOING THROUGH A YOUNG ADULT LIFE BUT YOUR BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECUASE YOU ARE WAY OVERWEIGHT. But yeah most of these posts are alright but some of them have no idea what they are talking about, so please do yourself a favor if you dont have first hand knowledge of these issues and just stop posting bullshit. Right, and this is why I consider it child abuse for a parent to raise their child to be overweight. Its extremely detrimental to the child's entire life. Socially, psychologically, physically. And it starts at a young enough age to where they can't think for themselves. By the time a child realizes what has happened, its very often times too late. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
If food was less plentiful, and corporations were less able to do mono-cropping, the US would be healthier. Why blame fat people when it is government programs that allows people to overeat? | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:31 lorkac wrote: Why isn't anyone else on this thread blaming farm subsidies for the obesity problem? If food was less plentiful, and corporations were less able to do mono-cropping, the US would be healthier. Why blame fat people when it is government programs that allows people to overeat? The miraculous thing about this thread is finally all bases are starting to get covered. Yes it is the fault of the following (not being sarcastic); A. Ourselves B. Education C. Corporations (bombarded with advertisements which in empirical studies are nearly all of the fatty/sugary type and we get shit places like McDonald's). D. The government (regulation questions, subsidies, wealth of food) All of these things need to be addressed, without critiquing and fixing all of the above we will continue to miss all of the causes and do little to alleviate the effects. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On March 08 2012 16:06 forgottendreams wrote: The miraculous thing about this thread is finally all bases are starting to get covered. Yes it is the fault of the following (not being sarcastic); A. Ourselves B. Education C. Corporations (bombarded with advertisements which in empirical studies are nearly all of the fatty/sugary type and we get shit places like McDonald's). D. The government (regulation questions, subsidies, wealth of food) All of these things need to be addressed, without critiquing and fixing all of the above we will continue to miss all of the causes and do little to alleviate the effects. As much as it'd be cool to believe that it's the fault of those 4 things--it's really only the fault of one. Remove government subsidies. Food prices skyrocket. Corporations can't make much money because the price rises too high--corporations stop pushing junk food as much. There would be no need to educate people on how to "eat properly" since options in food would be so limited that people would simply eat what is available--and what is available would only be the things that are in season that is available locally because it wouldn't be profitable to import from far away. And we as a people would not overeat because there isn't enough food to overeat. Grocery stores and fast food would disappear. Restaurants would be few and far between. Everyone will see food in the same way they see healthcare--expensive, necessary, and not a luxury. Really there's only one thing at fault--government intrusion. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On March 08 2012 16:43 lorkac wrote: As much as it'd be cool to believe that it's the fault of those 4 things--it's really only the fault of one. Remove government subsidies. Food prices skyrocket. Corporations can't make much money because the price rises too high--corporations stop pushing junk food as much. There would be no need to educate people on how to "eat properly" since options in food would be so limited that people would simply eat what is available--and what is available would only be the things that are in season that is available locally because it wouldn't be profitable to import from far away. And we as a people would not overeat because there isn't enough food to overeat. Grocery stores and fast food would disappear. Restaurants would be few and far between. Everyone will see food in the same way they see healthcare--expensive, necessary, and not a luxury. Really there's only one thing at fault--government intrusion. I'm not really an expert but you seem to be dramatizing the entire aspect http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/02/29/do-farm-subsidies-cause-obesity/ | ||
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VdoP
Germany2 Posts
I'd like to tell you a short story about myself: Until 3 years ago (iam 25 now) i was, what you would call 'obese'. Weighting about 140kg at 1.90m - pure fat, no muscle. This had actually been going on since i was 12 or so, and i never changed anything about it, because i didnt see it necessary. Also i found plenty of excuses why i was fat: i had asthma, i was an "easy gainer", my genetics (most of my family is fat too) and so on. Actually not beeing accepted in society is what first gave me the idea of loosing weight, but i was unable to do so, because i was mentally weak and couldnt keep my diet straight and the irritated looks people gave me in the gyms werent that helpful too. What really changed everything was a friend who introduced me to muay thai or 'thaiboxing' - the people in the gym were all very tolerant but also very motivating. The Trainer helped me working out a diet-plan that covered my needs as a student and still made me loose weight. The result: last year i had my first fight and was weighted-in at 79.5kg. So actually: Social pressure in the right amount can help you want to fight your obesity, but you're still in the need for practical help! Regards, VdoP | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:31 lorkac wrote: Why isn't anyone else on this thread blaming farm subsidies for the obesity problem? If food was less plentiful, and corporations were less able to do mono-cropping, the US would be healthier. Why blame fat people when it is government programs that allows people to overeat? I bolded the key word in your phrase. Why "blame" fat people? If they are obese purely through overeating then it really is no one's fault but their own. I am allowed to do many things but that doesn't mean i'm COMPELLED to do so. I don't want the government to protect me and keep me from making my own decisions. This is just another one of those things. If you want to be obese hey...knock yourself out. However, if it's through your own choice don't bitch about it. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
We have tried traditionalism and negative reinforcement. It has not worked. Political correctness seems like a logical next step to me. Really the only draw back of this method is that we lose our catharsis. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On March 08 2012 17:18 Jayme wrote: I bolded the key word in your phrase. Why "blame" fat people? If they are obese purely through overeating then it really is no one's fault but their own. I am allowed to do many things but that doesn't mean i'm COMPELLED to do so. I don't want the government to protect me and keep me from making my own decisions. This is just another one of those things. If you want to be obese hey...knock yourself out. However, if it's through your own choice don't bitch about it. So instead of fixing a problem directly, let's just yell at people we dislike? Great way to solve social problems  Who needs police? People should just better protect themselves from crime. Who needs stoplights? People should just know how to drive better. Who needs hospitals? Just take care of yourself the best you can. Why should we simply stop at not helping fat people lose weight--why not we stop helping all groups. Why should we help the poor? The dying? The anorexic? Why should we help the young? The old? Anyone really. Actually, you're right. Let's simply get rid of all social programs, all government, all societal structure. Fuck helping those in need! It's their fault anyway. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On March 08 2012 17:18 Jayme wrote: I bolded the key word in your phrase. Why "blame" fat people? If they are obese purely through overeating then it really is no one's fault but their own. I am allowed to do many things but that doesn't mean i'm COMPELLED to do so. I don't want the government to protect me and keep me from making my own decisions. This is just another one of those things. If you want to be obese hey...knock yourself out. However, if it's through your own choice don't bitch about it. So access to cheap, fatty foods, advertisement bombarding that targets children with almost entirely fatty product and woeful health eating education has nothing to do with it right? Neither of you probably realize how dumb you sound for trying to paint an extremely complex obesity problem as merely "its only x's fault!" | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 08 2012 17:28 lorkac wrote: So instead of fixing a problem directly, let's just yell at people we dislike? Great way to solve social problems Who needs police? People should just better protect themselves from crime. Who needs stoplights? People should just know how to drive better. Who needs hospitals? Just take care of yourself the best you can. Why should we simply stop at not helping fat people lose weight--why not we stop helping all groups. Why should we help the poor? The dying? The anorexic? Why should we help the young? The old? Anyone really. Actually, you're right. Let's simply get rid of all social programs, all government, all societal structure. Fuck helping those in need! It's their fault anyway. Except removing government subsidies like you say has FAR REACHING impacts that you can't possibly predict. You really believe that making Food like Healthcare (Something that is widely agreed to be a terrible system in the United States) will solve the obesity problem? You also fuck people that are struggling completely over. You sentence countless people to starve because the economy just won't be able to handle that sort of thing. If all the restaurants went out of business you'd have an immense issue on your hand with employment. What exactly will this solve? You have less fat people (I guess) at the cost of the country going down in flames most likely. Removing subsides is not like any of the things you suggested. Making food easier to obtain is actually a pretty vital thing. I don't think a government HELPING people out is a problem. I think that certain rights should be left for me to decide though. If I want to fucking eat Mcdonalds I should fucking have that right. Making food prices skyrocket is just..I mean wow. How can you think that's a good idea? I guess I should be a bit more careful with wording things because people like to take things to impossible logical extermes around these parts. My bad. On March 08 2012 17:29 forgottendreams wrote: So access to cheap, fatty foods, advertisement bombarding that targets children with almost entirely fatty product and woeful health eating education has nothing to do with it right? Neither of you probably realize how dumb you sound for trying to paint an extremely complex obesity problem as merely "its only x's fault!" Is it really so hard for me to want parents to ...I don't know...be parents? I realize that children will eat what they want on occasion but really a parent does have the ability to gear their children's diets toward something that won't turn them into obese people. You don't become obese from eating one cheeseburger a weak. In general, it is a gradual process that can be linked to several events in a person's life ...or bad habits. Whatever you want to call them. I realize obesity is a complex problem. I also realize that it's not just one things fault. I do, however, feel that a person's own decision making process has a LARGE PART to play in this. Sometimes people just have to take responsibilty for their actions. Some people just got fucking unlucky with their genes/medical history/what have you. Some people just over eat through their own volition. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On March 08 2012 17:29 forgottendreams wrote: So access to cheap, fatty foods, advertisement bombarding that targets children with almost entirely fatty product and woeful health eating education has nothing to do with it right? Neither of you probably realize how dumb you sound for trying to paint an extremely complex obesity problem as merely "its only x's fault!" It is very very easy to fix the obesity problem of the US. Well, sort of. It is very easy mechanically. If you make it so there is less food for all--people would be unable to overeat, no more obesity. Problem? Oh right... Companies won't make money People will starve Government will be hated (and rightfully so) You see, the only thing making it difficult to fix the obesity problem is because we have to make sure citizens and corporations are happy. It's very simple math really. If a society is eating too much, cut off the food source, then they stop eating so much. If life was a video game, you wouldn't blame the people for eating so much you'd simply stop harvesting food so much. However, life isn't a videogame. To solve a societal problem, we need to fix the society and not blame it for being fat. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On March 08 2012 17:45 Jayme wrote: Except removing government subsidies like you say has FAR REACHING impacts that you can't possibly predict. You really believe that making Food like Healthcare (Something that is widely agreed to be a terrible system in the United States) will solve the obesity problem? You also fuck people that are struggling completely over. You sentence countless people to starve because the economy just won't be able to handle that sort of thing. If all the restaurants went out of business you'd have an immense issue on your hand with employment. What exactly will this solve? You have less fat people (I guess) at the cost of the country going down in flames most likely. Removing subsides is not like any of the things you suggested. Making food easier to obtain is actually a pretty vital thing. I don't think a government HELPING people out is a problem. I think that certain rights should be left for me to decide though. If I want to fucking eat Mcdonalds I should fucking have that right. Making food prices skyrocket is just..I mean wow. How can you think that's a good idea? I guess I should be a bit more careful with wording things because people like to take things to impossible logical extermes around these parts. My bad. Is it really so hard for me to want parents to ...I don't know...be parents? I realize that children will eat what they want on occasion but really a parent does have the ability to gear their children's diets toward something that won't turn them into obese people. You don't become obese from eating one cheeseburger a weak. In general, it is a gradual process that can be linked to several events in a person's life ...or bad habits. Whatever you want to call them. I realize obesity is a complex problem. I also realize that it's not just one things fault. I do, however, feel that a person's own decision making process has a LARGE PART to play in this. Sometimes people just have to take responsibilty for their actions. Some people just got fucking unlucky with their genes/medical history/what have you. Some people just over eat through their own volition. The world has lived without subsidies for far longer than it has lived with it. Also. Both kids and parents get affected by advertisements and societal norms. It's not simply a "parents should tell kids to stop eating" affair unless you think parents are naturally immune to the world around them? | ||
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