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On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf.
Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business
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Shame about not having giant tits is bad.
Shame about not being able to see your genitals is good.
Going out of our way to make sure that people aren't ashamed of any negative trait or action is not a good thing. Shame and pride are two important drivers of self improvement.
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On March 07 2012 06:10 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf. Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business
Its not right to tell a dying person that he's okay. The point of the health movement is to help people who are ignorant of proper diet and exercise habits. But you can't help someone who doesn't admit that he has a problem. Especially if you feed that person lies that being obese is 'okay' and 'normal'.
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Every time I see some self victimizing boo-hoo sob story like this I just point out first world problems and tell them to get over whatever they are whining about.
I was an "obese" kid. I stopped eating like a fat kid, and I stopped being fat. That was 12 years ago. Not so hard. The American principle of politically correct acceptance has gone way to far.
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On March 07 2012 06:20 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 06:10 blackone wrote:On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf. Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business Its not right to tell a dying person that he's okay. The point of the health movement is to help people who are ignorant of proper diet and exercise habits. But you can't help someone who doesn't admit that he has a problem. Especially if you feed that person lies that being obese is 'okay' and 'normal'.
You must think obese people are morons. Countrary to what many seem to believe, they don't actually need to be told that they are not living a healthy life.
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On March 07 2012 06:30 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 06:20 scaban84 wrote:On March 07 2012 06:10 blackone wrote:On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf. Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business Its not right to tell a dying person that he's okay. The point of the health movement is to help people who are ignorant of proper diet and exercise habits. But you can't help someone who doesn't admit that he has a problem. Especially if you feed that person lies that being obese is 'okay' and 'normal'. You must think obese people are morons. Countrary to what many seem to believe, they don't actually need to be told that they are not living a healthy life.
Morons is stretching it. I would call it ignorance. Most 'normal' diets, especially American ones are not healthy. They are carb dense (too much rice, bread, pasta), have too many hydrogenated fats/oils, too much salt/sugar, and too many high gyclemic/insulin index foods. In my diet, I eliminate those items all together.
Even people's exercise habits are not healthy. I see fat people spending too much time at the gym stressing their bodies out on the treadmills sustaining high heart rates for way to long. That form of high calorie/ high calorie out lifestyle is not healthy or conducive to weight loss. They need to be educated.
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its the same as with smokers, they know they are killing their health and do it anyways. Except smoking is far more annoying and worse for the people around you
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Warning: there is a strong possibility that Obesity is going into the DSM-V as a psychological disease.
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It's an anti-supportive perspective issue based on stigma. Rather than addressing the true sociological forces making obesity an issue, they choose to tell people not to be the way they are. Who honestly is going to make positive progress in this fashion - if you are a smoker and you know all the benefits but you've tried numerous times to quit and it feels impossible - how do you think it makes the person feel when you tell them not to be a smoker?
I just wrote a paper considering some of the sociological forces regarding obesity - in my opinion the cause of the problem is a lack of research and data regarding a parents' effect on children. There are all these programs in school educating children on what food they should eat, but when they get home who buys the food? Not only should the nutritional aspect of food be informed to parents, but the psychological importance they make food out to be to their children. It goes the same way with media consumption in children, there are all these arguments saying that corporations are targeting children to instill customers throughout their life; the power of these commercials are completely dependent on the amount they are consumed. Reading some studies I saw statistics like reducing a child's tv consumption by 7 hours a WEEK could reduce the number of overweight children by 18% and 14% in adolescents. Also another study says that only 3 out of 10 parents have rules on media consumption in their family.
My overall point is that I think people get the issue ass-backwards in terms of where there is potential to solve the problem because of a lack of information regarding the new age of technological advance and its relationship to parenting nowadays.
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Soon to come...
Smoking is also genetic... That is not their fault...
Give me a break. Quit kidding yourselves and wake up. Reality is that you are generally (not always, but usually) obese because you do not work out and your diet is terrible. Your family's habits do play into these things, but seriously, when will people actually be held accountable for THEIR OWN ACTIONS?
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There are too many fat people in America and it causes problems (HUGE DRAIN ON HEALTHCARE(.
Disney World is not the place to fix this. Seriously, let the fat kid have a happy vacation.
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The easiest way to get everyone to become skinny is to remove all food subsidies. Food will be more expensive than healthcare and the entirety of America will be on a forced diet.
The reason people can eat too much is because government subsidies and government programs allows for the mass production of food. If the government simply stopped being so supportive of cheap food, America wouldn't be so fat.
Get rid of subsidies, get rid of obesity.
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Is it just me or does anyone else have the impression that the "National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance" is made out of a bunch of obese old folks living in denial?
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Seriously why is this even an issue?
Being fat is bad for your health. Period.
This is not an issue about shame. Telling them they are inferior people because they are fat would be wrong. Telling them they are unhealthy people because they are fat is just being honest.
There is nothing wrong with telling people they SHOULD attempt to be not fat. This is exactly equivalent to telling them that they should get a wound bandaged or get an infection treated. You are not telling them they are bad people because they are fat, just that they have an unambiguous health issue that should probably be addressed.
You don't see associations for the acceptance of staff infections, or for acceptance of people with broken legs. Because they realise this is not a good or normal thing for the human condition.
Being so sensitive as to shut down facilities exactly designed to help people with the issue, is just ridiculous.
People wouldn't try to shut down sexual health clinics because having a venereal disease is 'normal' or 'a lifestyle choice'. Heck you wouldn't even shut down ear hospitals because being deaf is a 'valid lifestyle choice', even if some people are born that way. Why would you do it to something that tries to combat obesity?
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On March 07 2012 06:10 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf. Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business
A lot of obese parents raise their children to be as well. Its a very different problem compared to smoking and drinking because a child is pulled in without realizing it at a very young age.
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And, in like manner, insane political correctness dictates that Disney DO something through animated superheroes for obesity. Combating childhood obesity is a very politically-favorable movement, and that gives it traction in this case. Which is more an example of political correctness, Disney proposing the idea in the first place, or backing away away at a different interest group's pressure?
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On March 07 2012 15:37 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 06:10 blackone wrote:On March 07 2012 05:54 Noro wrote:
People should be called what they are. Obesity is not healthy, why would anyone try and tell people that it's okay? Wtf. Because it's their body? Who are you to tell them they have to be healthy? I do unhealthy shit all the time and it's none of your business. Now if I was obese I'd probably want to change that but still, it would be none of your business A lot of obese parents raise their children to be as well. Its a very different problem compared to smoking and drinking because a child is pulled in without realizing it at a very young age.
Thats not even the issue.
You call people what they are, that's not politically incorrect. That's just how language works....
Noone is telling you have HAVE to be healthy, we are telling you that you SHOULD be healthy.
People with the cold don't get offended when you tell them they should rest and drink lots of water, people with diabetes don't get offended when you tell them they should watch their sugar intake. Because these are just logical steps to take to combat something that is unambiguously bad for the body.
You have the choice to ignore them, you don't get to tell them not to tell the truth.
On March 07 2012 15:45 Danglars wrote:
And, in like manner, insane political correctness dictates that Disney DO something through animated superheroes for obesity. Combating childhood obesity is a very politically-favorable movement, and that gives it traction in this case. Which is more an example of political correctness, Disney proposing the idea in the first place, or backing away away at a different interest group's pressure?
Whether or not Disney proposing the idea is politically motivated is irrelevant. Corporations do things for their own reasons, what are you going to do. For the sake of argument we are just going to assume both proposing the idea and getting them shut down are both politically motivated.
What Disney proposed was politically motivated and(or but) in the public interest, thus a good thing.
Getting it shut down is politically motivated and not in the public interest, thus a bad thing.
Their motives are essentially irrelevant.
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On March 07 2012 15:26 theBALLS wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else have the impression that the "National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance" is made out of a bunch of obese old folks living in denial?
It actually is. They were interviewed on Penn and Teller's Bullshit!
Granted, from what I've read and seen about them, they're more concerned with raising the self-esteem of obese people and getting them out and about (as many fat people are extremely self-conscious and therefore less likely to be as outgoing), which aren't bad things at all... but the raising awareness that obesity is "acceptable"... well, that just depends on what that term means. Obesity is still unhealthy. We should still treat fat people as people. We shouldn't demonize them. But it's still a problem. ::shrugs::
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On March 07 2012 15:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 15:26 theBALLS wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else have the impression that the "National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance" is made out of a bunch of obese old folks living in denial? It actually is. They were interviewed on Penn and Teller's Bullshit! Granted, from what I've read and seen about them, they're more concerned with raising the self-esteem of obese people and getting them out and about (as many fat people are extremely self-conscious and therefore less likely to be as outgoing), which aren't bad things at all... but the raising awareness that obesity is "acceptable"... well, that just depends on what that term means. Obesity is still unhealthy. We should still treat fat people as people. We shouldn't demonize them. But it's still a problem. ::shrugs::
That's exactly correct. There IS an issue where people are unfairly harsh on obese people, because it is seen as a 'disease born from choice'. But that doesn't make obesity somehow a 'normal' or 'acceptable' thing.
The main problem is that the fight against society's unfair view of obese people has evolved into an unfair assertion that being fat is somehow 'ok'. It is like that blind couple from a few years back who were trying intentionally to have a blind child.
Being fat or blind doesn't mean we should treat you(I'm not refering to the guy i'm quoting, just people in general) as subhuman, but it does mean we should be able to recognise that you may have issues that need to be addressed or worked around.
This is not rocket science, having problems does not mean you are inferior. People treating you as people also does not mean we pretend there's nothing wrong with you. Everyone has problems, everyone needs to recognise and address them, you can't just get offended and pretend a problem doesn't exist, and we shouldn't have to pretend they are not problems to avoid offending you.
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