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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On August 29 2014 01:34 r00ty wrote: No it's based on my experience of living in the man world for over 30 years. Have fun with your paranoia big boy. Just try not to kill anyone over a couple of bucks worth of shit in your house. It's not paranoia. My home has already been broken into and homes are invaded at night in my city every single fucking night. You're just ignorant to the situation in the cities of America and unafraid to post about something you haven't an inkling about. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1080 Posts
On August 29 2014 02:03 heliusx wrote: It's not paranoia. My home has already been broken into and homes are invaded at night in my city every single fucking night. You're just ignorant to the situation in the cities of America and unafraid to post about something you haven't an inkling about. Then enlighten me and tell me how many people are killed in those home invasions in your city. Best would be non gun owners getting killed by all those crazy home invading killers. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
There are thousands more defensive gun uses than gun deaths. Most end with no one being shot. On August 29 2014 01:54 DannyJ wrote: It would be funny if that poor girl didn't have to live with it the rest of her life. It doesn't take being someone outside of America to think teaching a 9 year old how to use an uzi is insane. My dad and I personally own 6 guns and always used to go to the shooting range yet even I can't comprehend why someone would want to teach a young girl how to shoot a super dangerous gun like that. I can see teaching her how to shoot a handgun just so she understand how it works, but not a full auto. No one should learn how to shoot those. I'm assuming it wasn't even her family's gun because getting something like an uzi even in America is no small feat. It wasn't their gun, it was the range's. So who cares if she learns to use it, she'll only have the opportunity at the range anyways. On August 29 2014 00:22 r00ty wrote: Afraid people are easier to control and manipulate. Your media did a fantastic job of implanting that fear into your heads. You seem to have some bad experiences and your condition plays a big part, i get that. But honestly: Are you serious? That's 100% rediculous. If someone really wants to harm/kill you, breaking into your house with the risk of facing a firearm is about the dumbest thing you can do. If you want to kill someone would you do that? You can never know what to expect. Only a complete nutter would invade your home just to harm/kill you and you can never ever be 100% safe from people like that. Desperate people, drug addicts, etc do home invasions without knowing what to expect and they're in it for the money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Thugs break into an apartment and start raping a woman. Other women in the building call 911. Police never come. Thugs find the other women and rape them too, for hours. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 29 2014 02:42 heliusx wrote: The Bureau of Justice Statistics (federal agency) claims violence is used against occupants in 29% of the home burglaries in which an occupant is home. I don't have time to really educate you. That's something you should have done before engaging in a topic you don't have a clue about. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf a tip, when citing a source, it helps to actually read the source: In about 28% of these burglaries, a household member was present during the burglary. In 7% of all household burglaries, a household member experienced some form of violent victimization So out of 3.7 million break ins, 7%, 250,000, involved violence. And out of the violent cases, 65% involved someone the victim knew. So out of 300 million Americans, 87500 Americans have been victims of a violent act by a burglar. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On August 29 2014 02:57 Sub40APM wrote: a tip, when citing a source, it helps to actually read the source: I think you should take your own advice. 7% in ALL burglaries. 29% in burglaries where an occupant was home. I mean really bro? Clearly you didn't read my post before trying to be right. Typical sub40apm. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:00 heliusx wrote: I think you should take your own advice. 7% in ALL burglaries. 29% in burglaries where an occupant was home. I mean really bro? Clearly you didn't read my post before trying to be right. Typical sub40apm. Lets avoid statistics, they seem to confuse you. There have been 3.7 million burglaries in America In 1021200 of those cases were was an occupant present In those ~1 million cases, violence ensued 266,560 times Out of those 266,560 times, a stranger -- that is your stereotypical burglar -- caused violence 85,000 times Out of those 266,560 times violence occurs, 'serious violence' was done to about 25,000 people. In a society of 300 million. But hey, stay angry, whatever gets you through your day. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:00 heliusx wrote: I think you should take your own advice. 7% in ALL burglaries. 29% in burglaries where an occupant was home. I mean really bro? Clearly you didn't read my post before trying to be right. Typical sub40apm. 28/7 != 29%. Just saying. And since we're talking about the necessity of a gun, it's worth pointing out what "violent victimization means". For people present at a violent burglary, 56% are not injured at all, 33% receive minor injury, 8% receive serious injury, and 2% were victims of sexual assault. Also worth noting that of the burglars who committed violence, 62% were unarmed. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:21 WolfintheSheep wrote: 28/7 != 29%. Just saying. And since we're talking about the necessity of a gun, it's worth pointing out what "violent victimization means". For people present at a violent burglary, 56% are not injured at all, 33% receive minor injury, 8% receive serious injury, and 2% were victims of sexual assault. Also worth noting that of the burglars who committed violence, 62% were unarmed. A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries from 2003 to 2007. Of these households, 26% (or 266,560) experienced some form of a violent victimization during the burglary (figure 1, table 16). | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:30 heliusx wrote: Where was I wrong sub40apm? Where am I confused? It's you who is confused. What makes you think burglaries of unoccupied homes is relevant to the discussion you decided to stick your nose into? 29% of burglaries where an occupant was present violence issued. End of story. Who cares about your relation to the suspect? You're trying to debate a fact. A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries from 2003 to 2007. Of these households, 26% (or 266,560) experienced some form of a violent victimization during the burglary (figure 1, table 16). Which is it bro? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 29 2014 02:46 Millitron wrote: There are thousands more defensive gun uses than gun deaths. Most end with no one being shot. It wasn't their gun, it was the range's. So who cares if she learns to use it, she'll only have the opportunity at the range anyways. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Thugs break into an apartment and start raping a woman. Other women in the building call 911. Police never come. Thugs find the other women and rape them too, for hours. This country is such a fucking joke and deserves zero respect. Stuff like this shit is absolutely infuriating. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1080 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:19 Sub40APM wrote: Lets avoid statistics, they seem to confuse you. There have been 3.7 million burglaries in America In 1021200 of those cases were was an occupant present In those ~1 million cases, violence ensued 266,560 times Out of those 266,560 times, a stranger -- that is your stereotypical burglar -- caused violence 85,000 times Out of those 266,560 times violence occurs, 'serious violence' was done to about 25,000 people. In a society of 300 million. But hey, stay angry, whatever gets you through your day. That looks about right. Interesting numbers, higher than i expected, honestly, but the fact that personal quarries are included puts it in perspective. There will be a a dark figure of course, but it still clearly shows, that your horror scenario is blown way out of proportion, heliusx. You don't need statistics to know that. It's common sense. On August 29 2014 02:46 Millitron wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Thugs break into an apartment and start raping a woman. Other women in the building call 911. Police never come. Thugs find the other women and rape them too, for hours. One really terrible example. /s Some training and AR-15s for everyone and we'll be safe! /soff | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
Not actually sure. It says 26% for "burglaries" and 29.7% for "completed*" *Includes forcible entry and unlawful entry without force. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:46 r00ty wrote: heliusx, thanks for the information, but it would be nice, if you turned down the aggressive tone a bit. It really helps, if you want to be taken seriously. That looks about right. Interesting numbers, higher than i expected, honestly, but the fact that personal quarries are included puts it in perspective. There will be a a dark figure of course, but it still clearly shows, that your horror scenario is blown way out of proportion, heliusx. You don't need statistics to know that. It's common sense. It's not about the probability of it happening to me. It's about the fact that it occurs at least a dozen times every night where I live and I believe it would be irresponsible to not be prepared. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1080 Posts
On August 29 2014 03:51 heliusx wrote: It's not about the probability of it happening to me. It's about the fact that it occurs at least a dozen times every night where I live and I believe it would be irresponsible to not be prepared. I believe you and i respect your will to protect your loved ones. I'm aware, there are areas i wouldn't personally want to live in. The killer-burglar argument is something that just sounds totally paranoid to me personally, if you discuss gun control on a national level. There are risks when having a firearm in your house, can we aggree on that? And to me they outweigh the risks of not having one. I lived in bad neighborhoods in Germany, but i am well aware, you can't compare that. One reason being the spread of firearms in your country. In the end you won't get the guns out of the states anyway. Just be 110% sure when you think, you gotta pull the trigger, please. I hope you don't have to face that situation. Have a good one and stay safe. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 28 2014 15:10 IgnE wrote: Let's follow the logic here all the way through to the end. If people are going to find ways to murder each other regardless how easy it is to get a gun, then aren't they going to find ways to intimidate, beat up, and rob people? If everyone is armed with a gun, what good does it do a person with muscular dystrophy to also be armed with a gun? Do you think you are a match for an able-bodied, walking, running person also carrying a gun? The logic here doesn't make sense. Yeah, maybe if you have a gun and 20 bikers come up on you to beat you up, you "won't be defenseless" and can wave your gun around to avert harm to everyone. Then again, if everyone has a gun, it's more likely that you get filled with shrapnel and the result is worse for everyone. If we're talking logically a person with muscular dystrophy will be wheel-chair bound by 12 and more than likely dead by 22. I would probably not use that ailment as an example when trying to converse logically. Old age is a much better thing to use as an example as everyone goes through that. (Unless they die young.) Here is an example of a 93 year old grandma using a gun to save her life (well... she stopped herself from being beaten.) http://nationalreport.net/knockout-thug-loses-game-permanently-grannys-big-gun/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24135 Posts
On August 29 2014 04:51 Nacl(Draq) wrote: If we're talking logically a person with muscular dystrophy will be wheel-chair bound by 12 and more than likely dead by 22. I would probably not use that ailment as an example when trying to converse logically. Old age is a much better thing to use as an example as everyone goes through that. (Unless they die young.) Here is an example of a 93 year old grandma using a gun to save her life (well... she stopped herself from being beaten.) http://nationalreport.net/knockout-thug-loses-game-permanently-grannys-big-gun/ Good lord 2x someone posts the same obviously fake article from an obviously fake site. This is expenetially worse than commenting on a story like this on facebook (which is probably where they saw it, in a group of friends to dense to realize that it is obviously fake).... Related Articles: Vince Gilligan Announces Breaking Bad Season 6; Begins Shooting Jan. 2015 – Walt Did Not Die! Kim Jong-un Does The Ice Bucket Challenge New Knockout Game: Dumping Boiling Water On Random People Fundamentalist Chef Will Bake Koran on Live TV Facebook Drug Task Force To Begin Monitoring All Messages October 1st Faith in humanity -1 Also as far as background checks they actually have 90%+ support, but of course that's not enough to overcome the powers that be. Faith in democracy -1 | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
51-year-old Knoshon Mootron a homeless man from St. Louis who witnessed the attack told reporters that Bennett acted like a superhero. “I saw her get sucker punched from behind, hard. She hit the ground, then they all start kicking her, she grabs this huge gun out of her purse and BOOM! Headshot! Game over son, ya know what I’m sayin’? Poor n*gga never had a chance.” | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 29 2014 05:01 GreenHorizons wrote: Good lord 2x someone posts the same obviously fake article from an obviously fake site. This is expenetially worse than commenting on a story like this on facebook (which is probably where they saw it, in a group of friends to dense to realize that it is obviously fake).... Faith in humanity -1 Also as far as background checks they actually have 90%+ support, but of course that's not enough to overcome the powers that be. Faith in democracy -1 Nonononono, Its better than that. It's the SAME PERSON posting that story AGAIN after I already told him its fucking bullshit. Check his last post in this thread lol. Figured I'd see whats going on in this thread, apparently the same thing as last time I was here =P | ||
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