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Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 21:50:39
February 12 2012 20:58 GMT
#1
EDIT: I requested a topic title change becuase its not free anymore only in some countries! you can see the list of countries at the bottom

Hello there fellow Liquidians!

As the title states, in some countries Grooveshark isn't free anymore. As Spotify isn't global (yet?), this was the most used alternative for many people. It was free, it's database was really good.
Some days ago was a really nice topic opened, with progamer's Grooveshark playlist and I started listening to all of them, but today when I tried to access it the following message appeared:

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I know 4$ isn't much, but the most cool part about grooveshark was cearly that it was free!
I tried to search the web about this whole issue, but there's not much info about it yet. All I could find on reddit is that at the moment Ireland, Finland and Romania is restricted(and ofcourse Germany).

In Ireland and Romania they ask you to pay 4$, while in Finald it's only 2$. This seems like really strange for me. Why does the ammount needed to be paid differ in these 3 countries.
Did anyone notice this ? Because I also saw that some finnish guys posted they still don't need to pay.

Also please let's try to discuss things normally, I know aswell that 4$ a month isn't much so no need to tell us to pay.And I'm curious how do they determine in what country is Grooveshark restricted and why ?

And if you know any kind of alternatives please Post it here. All I could find till now is the Moonplayer.

Link to the reddit thread: LINK

List of countries where Grooveshark is not free anymore :
  • Finland
  • Germany (not even accessible)
  • Ireland
  • Romania
  • Russia



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Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
February 12 2012 21:02 GMT
#2
Hm.... bad news if this is actually going through, I'm glad I chose spotify ^_^
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Belgo
Profile Joined September 2009
United States721 Posts
February 12 2012 21:03 GMT
#3
Should change the title to note that it may be pay only in your country, still works fine in the states.
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darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 12 2012 21:04 GMT
#4
Still free in canada.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 12 2012 21:05 GMT
#5
The Internet is seemingly delving deeper and deeper into its Dark Ages...
Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
February 12 2012 21:05 GMT
#6
On February 13 2012 06:03 Belgo wrote:
Should change the title to note that it may be pay only in your country, still works fine in the states.


Yes, I realized that will PM a mod to change it.
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Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
February 12 2012 21:06 GMT
#7
Oh, this isn't worldwide. Phew.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
February 12 2012 21:07 GMT
#8
The different cost per country is because of the market value that record companies attribute to the average consumer in that region. Don't worry about though, the record companies know what's best for us.
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PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
February 12 2012 21:07 GMT
#9
Yeah, I'm in California and it still works perfectly fine for me, hopefully that won't change anytime soon
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Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
February 12 2012 21:08 GMT
#10
Still good in Norway
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Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 21:10:33
February 12 2012 21:08 GMT
#11
I'm finnish and it works perfectly fine for me.
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Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
February 12 2012 21:09 GMT
#12
On February 13 2012 06:07 Jormundr wrote:
The different cost per country is because of the market value that record companies attribute to the average consumer in that region. Don't worry about though, the record companies know what's best for us.


Yes but it's kinda wierd for me that Romania has to pay 4$ and Finland only 2$. Ofcourse it's not a huge difference but I could imagine this if Finland pays 4 and Romania 2 looking at the financial situation of the citizens in the 2 countries.
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BenBuford
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark307 Posts
February 12 2012 21:09 GMT
#13
OMG music doesn't just magically appear?
I can't believe someone wants money for providing a service.
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Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
February 12 2012 21:09 GMT
#14
On February 13 2012 06:08 Ryndika wrote:
Is this only for logged in and making playlists?


I can't even listen to any kind of music
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juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
February 12 2012 21:11 GMT
#15
Oh man that really sucks for others. I been enjoying grooveshark and loving other peoples playlists.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
February 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#16
thank god its still free in Canada ^^
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Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
February 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#17
So when is this going on? I don't know any finn who has problems with grooveshark. You sure Finland is on payment list?
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agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
February 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#18
On February 13 2012 06:12 MaverickSC wrote:
thank god its still free in Canada ^^

+1 idk what I would do if I wouldn't be able to listen to my favourite players playlists
Pinna
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland152 Posts
February 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#19
On February 13 2012 06:13 Ryndika wrote:
So when is this going on? I don't know any finn who has problems with grooveshark. You sure Finland is on payment list?

I do have a problem with Grooveshark.
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Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
February 12 2012 21:15 GMT
#20
On February 13 2012 06:13 Ryndika wrote:
So when is this going on? I don't know any finn who has problems with grooveshark. You sure Finland is on payment list?


According to that Reddit topic, there are many finnish guys posting that they need to pay. Some people didn't have this issue right this morning but in the last 2-3 hours some posts appeared about the need of a payment in order to acces Grooveshark
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aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
February 12 2012 21:15 GMT
#21
I find it weird that people bitch about 4 dollars. Im using spotify but i just pay 99SEK(12/13 bucks or something) every month and get it unlimited and on my mobile phone too. Its very worth it.
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3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
February 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#22
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
February 12 2012 21:17 GMT
#23
On February 13 2012 06:15 aderum wrote:
I find it weird that people bitch about 4 dollars. Im using spotify but i just pay 99SEK(12/13 bucks or something) every month and get it unlimited and on my mobile phone too. Its very worth it.



Well i guarantee you 99% of the people who use it, use it because its free. As soon as thats taken away why not go to another site thats just as good? Last.FM is an option as well as spotify. I don't think anybody is really "bitching" about it more or less interested why Finland pays 4$ and Romania 2$.
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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
February 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#24
I'm relieved that it's still free atm in the United States, by I feel bad for those in countries where they will start being charged. If you guys can afford the minimal fee per month, it would be nice if you could pay for it. If it went to $4 a month in the US I'd heavily consider paying for it as it's a great service and has been so useful for me so far.
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CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
February 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#25
I Wonder if they will ever engage this worldwide
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procyonlotor
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy473 Posts
February 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#26
Grooveshark is a great service, and its being free only enhanced its appeal. It's worth paying money for anyway, especially since you don't have access to Spotify and the like in Europe, but this is bound to have significant impact on consumer numbers. 4 dollars is not much in the grand scheme of things, but when translated into Romanian currency, it may deter customers from spending the extra sum on a luxury they could do without. There's always youtube.
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
February 12 2012 21:22 GMT
#27
Grooveshark is not available anymore in Germany .
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
February 12 2012 21:23 GMT
#28
I'm still not exactly sure what Grooveshark is even after wiki. So you can search, upload and stream your music? Kinda like Limewire 2.0 I guess? It sound like their financial problems could be a result of them being sued to hell.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 12 2012 21:30 GMT
#29
It's still working for me at least.
Grumpy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
60 Posts
February 12 2012 21:31 GMT
#30
In Germany it's not even accessible anymore :-/...
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
February 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#31
Long as they give some $ to the artists whoose songs gets 'airtime' after paying for upkeep and salaries its all good.

If I have to choose, I'll pay 4$ to grooveshark over spotify(tried that crap since beta and it was alright, then the catalouge went to the town pub and lost a game of in the lake. Not to mention the whole facebook crap.)

Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Eliwood5837
Profile Joined July 2011
245 Posts
February 12 2012 21:39 GMT
#32
this scared me but then it said you didnt have to pay in the states but that sucks for the countries that have to pay
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Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 21:40:55
February 12 2012 21:39 GMT
#33
On February 13 2012 06:23 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
I'm still not exactly sure what Grooveshark is even after wiki. So you can search, upload and stream your music? Kinda like Limewire 2.0 I guess? It sound like their financial problems could be a result of them being sued to hell.

You can use it like youtube for music, except it's easier and faster.

for example something like this MOSTLY misses from youtube http://grooveshark.com/#!/search?q=nujabes.
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Kwanny
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany222 Posts
February 12 2012 21:41 GMT
#34
There's an extention for Grooveshark in chrome for Germany.
Also, the costs probably depend on the licencing cost that the licence/right institution demands from anyone who uses music, in this case Grooveshark. In Germany that would be GEMA (representing composers, authors and music publisher rights). I would guess that GEMA demands too much so that Grooveshark doesn't even bother opening for the German market.
I guess that Grooveshark can cover their licencing fees/operating costs in Finland with ~2$ per user, while it would require ~4$ to cover all fees occuring in romania per user.
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 22:10:59
February 12 2012 22:09 GMT
#35
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
February 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#36
Use Spotify if you can, it's the best music service I've used by far.
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3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
February 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#37
On February 13 2012 07:09 beg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?

there are extensions for chrome/firefox, I use those =)
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Matsumoto
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany493 Posts
February 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#38
i would pay double of that amount to be able to use grooveshark again in germany (without proxy nonsense)
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
February 12 2012 22:41 GMT
#39
I believe that the most targeted countries are probably those who have the larger user bases. As for my country, I do not think that many people even know about Grooveshark. So therefore I still have access to this great site. For me it is truly splendid that one can stream almost all kinds of music from the site for free. Very handy indeed.
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kleetzor
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany360 Posts
February 12 2012 22:44 GMT
#40
I started using simfy after it got blocked in Germany
Petninja
Profile Joined June 2011
United States159 Posts
February 12 2012 22:46 GMT
#41
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem paying a tiny monthly fee to use Grooveshark? It's a phenomenal music service. I haven't used spotify yet, so I can't compare who is better.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
February 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#42
On February 13 2012 06:05 HaXXspetten wrote:
The Internet is seemingly delving deeper and deeper into its Dark Ages...

Paying pretty much nothing to get all the music you want is the equivalent of the Dark Ages?
If you are referring to the actual fact that the restriction is only in effect in some countries then check that list again and tell me that you are surprised.
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nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
February 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#43
Works for me and i'm from Romania, as well.
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
February 12 2012 22:50 GMT
#44
gogo UK hope they dont charge us for it
sucks for others though
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
February 12 2012 22:51 GMT
#45
Thats a bummer, but $4 isn't bad, and as long as you dont have an account can you still use it? I like to use it for parties and just have people throw in a song or two into the queue so everybody gets to hear what they want.
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 12 2012 22:56 GMT
#46
I'd love to know the difference between Spotify, Grooveshark, and other music sharing services, and how that prevents some from being used in specific countries.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#47
God, why do I need to live in Germany at the moment... Nothing is shown on Youtube, grooveshark is closed down, google maps is in the stone-age and cafe's and restaurants rather lobby legislation against free wifi signs than put up a router... I've got a choice where to live in a year, and Germany is just not part of the modern world anymore.
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
February 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#48
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#49
On February 13 2012 07:47 Xcobidoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:05 HaXXspetten wrote:
The Internet is seemingly delving deeper and deeper into its Dark Ages...

Paying pretty much nothing to get all the music you want is the equivalent of the Dark Ages?
If you are referring to the actual fact that the restriction is only in effect in some countries then check that list again and tell me that you are surprised.


Or he lives in Germany... You can't even pay.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#50
On February 13 2012 08:06 Ghad wrote:
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.


I agree, but Germany doesn't allow spotify either... Note, it's not just about paying.
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
February 12 2012 23:14 GMT
#51
Wouldn't that be that the record companies in germany doesn't get on board with companies like spotify? I can't belive that germany has legislation against streaming?
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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
February 12 2012 23:16 GMT
#52
On February 13 2012 07:29 wBsKillian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 07:09 beg wrote:
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?

there are extensions for chrome/firefox, I use those =)

yes, those are called "proxies". like i said. you can't access grooveshark from germany since about 2 weeks.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
February 12 2012 23:18 GMT
#53
Meh, still doesn't work in Germany. I would totally pay $4 a month to get Grooveshark back.
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piiiT
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
February 12 2012 23:18 GMT
#54
thats just why proxys where invented
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 12 2012 23:19 GMT
#55
That's weird, if it changes to paid in the US, I'm not even gonna use it anymore. Their random feature is terrible, I think.
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N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
February 12 2012 23:36 GMT
#56
Time to start downloading music again.
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
February 12 2012 23:45 GMT
#57
i get the window which requests me to signup & login but it only stops the music, and you can press play again and hear it

is this how they intended it to work? requesting you to signup after each song ends ?
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ucshadow
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania1 Post
February 12 2012 23:49 GMT
#58
Works for me. Listening right now. I'm on RDS if that counts
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
February 13 2012 00:02 GMT
#59
oh and obviously if you are really into listening on grooveshark you can just go through a proxy and by pass their country-limitation
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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
February 13 2012 00:07 GMT
#60
On February 13 2012 08:18 heishe wrote:
Meh, still doesn't work in Germany. I would totally pay $4 a month to get Grooveshark back.


That's the GEMA for you
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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
February 13 2012 00:24 GMT
#61
On February 13 2012 08:06 Ghad wrote:
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.



Most artists get nothing from singles and shit like that.....all that money goes straight into simon cowels back pocket im afraid

Artists get money from the record label, but make most money from live shows and appearances
lundell100
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden232 Posts
February 13 2012 01:03 GMT
#62
The only reason I use Spotify instead of Grooveshark is so that I can have spotify on my iphone. I guess this justifies my choice even more.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
February 13 2012 02:04 GMT
#63
On February 13 2012 06:23 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
I'm still not exactly sure what Grooveshark is even after wiki. So you can search, upload and stream your music? Kinda like Limewire 2.0 I guess? It sound like their financial problems could be a result of them being sued to hell.


They are being sued to hell by the big four, but I thought it was mostly in the US.
It is interesting that the charge in different countries are like they are and especially that it has not yet been DNS-blocked in Denmark. KODA, the RIAA of Denmark, is far more influencial than RIAA!
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HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
February 13 2012 02:09 GMT
#64
Same message appeared to me today, i paid 2$ for a month and i live in Greece.
feebas
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland268 Posts
February 13 2012 02:16 GMT
#65
Can't say I know anyone who has even heard of this service. That being said, most people I know get all their music through non-commercial copying.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 13 2012 02:34 GMT
#66
On February 13 2012 09:24 OptimusYale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 08:06 Ghad wrote:
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.



Most artists get nothing from singles and shit like that.....all that money goes straight into simon cowels back pocket im afraid

Artists get money from the record label, but make most money from live shows and appearances

Do you have research to back this up or is it just convenient to say? I'm not so sure what you're saying is true. There is a saying in business that goes something like "I'd rather have one slice out of giant pie than keep a tiny one to myself." Well, maybe that's not the exact phrase, but the meaning is that a band simply can't sell stuff completely by themselves, not just because of a lack of infrastructure but because of marketing as well. These are professional skills worth giving up the tiny pie for. Sell 100 albums and get 100% of the profits, or sell 10,000 and get 10% of the profits, you're still doing better.

Artists make their main money from shows/tshirts/etc: I don't know. Some people say it used to be that the tour promoted the album, and now it's the other way around.

Well, I'm certainly not against services like GrooveShark. If it can't be free, I still think the subscription based access to a giant library of music is a good business model (like Netflix) for our age. The only thing I don't like is that since you can't use the music and movies however you like (on your PMP or whatever), it encourages a kind of disposability of music and movies, which is not good motivation for actual art and you can sort of already see that with American movies and TV shows where the quality of work has dropped way down. If you aren't getting a customer to at least commit to saying 'this is good enough to own' but rather saying 'this was worth my time when I was totally bored,' you are going to get lower quality content. I happened with xbox indie games as well. All you have to do is say 'this is worth a dollar.' There will always be exceptions and people with something to really say, or a real creative force, but they will be drowned in content which only needs to meet a very low bar.
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Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
February 13 2012 02:36 GMT
#67
I wish i had the option to pay for it.
Always used to listen to some great playlists i found there (big thx to minigun!)...
Our GEMA is such a huge bullshit!
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Bearbear
Profile Joined April 2010
United States94 Posts
February 13 2012 02:38 GMT
#68
napster used to be free

then it died, like grooveshark will

sorry grooveshark
Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
February 13 2012 02:38 GMT
#69
That's a really random list of countries.
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 02:53:34
February 13 2012 02:52 GMT
#70
On February 13 2012 11:34 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 09:24 OptimusYale wrote:
On February 13 2012 08:06 Ghad wrote:
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.



Most artists get nothing from singles and shit like that.....all that money goes straight into simon cowels back pocket im afraid

Artists get money from the record label, but make most money from live shows and appearances

Do you have research to back this up or is it just convenient to say? I'm not so sure what you're saying is true. There is a saying in business that goes something like "I'd rather have one slice out of giant pie than keep a tiny one to myself." Well, maybe that's not the exact phrase, but the meaning is that a band simply can't sell stuff completely by themselves, not just because of a lack of infrastructure but because of marketing as well. These are professional skills worth giving up the tiny pie for. Sell 100 albums and get 100% of the profits, or sell 10,000 and get 10% of the profits, you're still doing better.

Artists make their main money from shows/tshirts/etc: I don't know. Some people say it used to be that the tour promoted the album, and now it's the other way around.

Well, I'm certainly not against services like GrooveShark. If it can't be free, I still think the subscription based access to a giant library of music is a good business model (like Netflix) for our age. The only thing I don't like is that since you can't use the music and movies however you like (on your PMP or whatever), it encourages a kind of disposability of music and movies, which is not good motivation for actual art and you can sort of already see that with American movies and TV shows where the quality of work has dropped way down. If you aren't getting a customer to at least commit to saying 'this is good enough to own' but rather saying 'this was worth my time when I was totally bored,' you are going to get lower quality content. I happened with xbox indie games as well. All you have to do is say 'this is worth a dollar.' There will always be exceptions and people with something to really say, or a real creative force, but they will be drowned in content which only needs to meet a very low bar.


Good post. Artists may deserve more for their efforts, but that is neither here nor there. Record companies provide a valuable service and they deserve compensation too. Just because you know how to make great music, doesn't mean you can promote and organize events.

I love grooveshark but IDK if I would pay. Too similar to Pandora on PC. If the fee includes mobile services that might be worth it (you have to pay for grooveshark mobile already).
Push 2 Harder
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
February 13 2012 03:03 GMT
#71
Still free in america... woot woot <3 grooveshark
HiTeK532
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada171 Posts
February 13 2012 03:14 GMT
#72
On February 13 2012 11:34 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 09:24 OptimusYale wrote:
On February 13 2012 08:06 Ghad wrote:
Music shouldn't be free, the artists should be paid for their work. Best regards, paying spotify customer since day 1.



Most artists get nothing from singles and shit like that.....all that money goes straight into simon cowels back pocket im afraid

Artists get money from the record label, but make most money from live shows and appearances

Do you have research to back this up or is it just convenient to say? I'm not so sure what you're saying is true. There is a saying in business that goes something like "I'd rather have one slice out of giant pie than keep a tiny one to myself." Well, maybe that's not the exact phrase, but the meaning is that a band simply can't sell stuff completely by themselves, not just because of a lack of infrastructure but because of marketing as well. These are professional skills worth giving up the tiny pie for. Sell 100 albums and get 100% of the profits, or sell 10,000 and get 10% of the profits, you're still doing better.

Artists make their main money from shows/tshirts/etc: I don't know. Some people say it used to be that the tour promoted the album, and now it's the other way around.

Well, I'm certainly not against services like GrooveShark. If it can't be free, I still think the subscription based access to a giant library of music is a good business model (like Netflix) for our age. The only thing I don't like is that since you can't use the music and movies however you like (on your PMP or whatever), it encourages a kind of disposability of music and movies, which is not good motivation for actual art and you can sort of already see that with American movies and TV shows where the quality of work has dropped way down. If you aren't getting a customer to at least commit to saying 'this is good enough to own' but rather saying 'this was worth my time when I was totally bored,' you are going to get lower quality content. I happened with xbox indie games as well. All you have to do is say 'this is worth a dollar.' There will always be exceptions and people with something to really say, or a real creative force, but they will be drowned in content which only needs to meet a very low bar.


there's also distributor fees (Itunes takes 30%) recoupment fees and manager fees (manager fee standard is 20% I think) recoupment fees are the fees the artist has to pay for music video recording studio time etc then that money gets split

for example off a 99c song 29 goes to Itunes the label takes in your scenario 90% of the remaining (plus recoupment fees) 70 the artist would then pay approx 20% to a manager depending on the contract lets say 15% or 1c so on a 99c sale the artist makes 6c (less recoupment fees) then the money would get split among all members if they are in a band. so to be worthwhile the record company would have to be able to increase sales by approx 1166%.
I play games not girls
GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
February 13 2012 03:20 GMT
#73
Works in New Zealand, happy me :D
"A reason becomes an excuse if you don't do anything about it."
imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
February 13 2012 03:21 GMT
#74
On February 13 2012 06:06 Spiffeh wrote:
Oh, this isn't worldwide. Phew.


Yeah, scared me too :/
Program yourself to Success
Majsak
Profile Joined February 2012
United States4 Posts
February 13 2012 03:35 GMT
#75
It will probably have a fee for every country soon :[
"Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back."
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
February 13 2012 03:38 GMT
#76
On February 13 2012 06:14 agtemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:12 MaverickSC wrote:
thank god its still free in Canada ^^

+1 idk what I would do if I wouldn't be able to listen to my favourite players playlists


Any suggestions for grooveshark public playlists? I just started on it as a result of this thread.
Mafs
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada458 Posts
February 13 2012 03:41 GMT
#77
Grooveshark is nice and all, but whats wrong with youtube playlists? If they force users to pay to listen to music you can find for free, then everyone will just go to youtube.
MrLion
Profile Joined December 2010
India93 Posts
February 13 2012 07:06 GMT
#78
Works in India too!
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
February 13 2012 07:09 GMT
#79
hmm maybe if it was $1 and everyone who is already using it pays that, they would be fine, instead of having some pay $4? (i'm sure people would be ok paying $1 per month, but then again, it's still different than being free)

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BenBuford
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark307 Posts
February 13 2012 07:22 GMT
#80
On February 13 2012 07:09 beg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?


This is what I read:
+ Show Spoiler +
They raised the prices at my local grocery store.
So I'm like "fuck that shit! I'll break in through the back door and grab all the stuff I want! You can't stop me!".
When the police arrive, this may actually be seen as a crime. What is this world coming to?


Ungrateful brats... </old man>

BenBuford on twitter.
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
February 13 2012 07:26 GMT
#81
So does anyone have a replacement for german users?

Grooveshark was so good .... tried out simfy and its very annoying and missing out some cool features ... and theres a 20 Hours per month limit for free users (reached it in 2 days) , and iam not even talking about the commercials and "way less music to choose from" ....

T_T i miss grooveshark already
horsebanger
Profile Joined January 2012
141 Posts
February 13 2012 08:14 GMT
#82
I'll probably pay, it's worth it for me.
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
February 13 2012 08:17 GMT
#83
On February 13 2012 16:22 BenBuford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 07:09 beg wrote:
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?


This is what I read:
+ Show Spoiler +
They raised the prices at my local grocery store.
So I'm like "fuck that shit! I'll break in through the back door and grab all the stuff I want! You can't stop me!".
When the police arrive, this may actually be seen as a crime. What is this world coming to?


Ungrateful brats... </old man>


i would gladly pay for grooveshark, mister.
ergoNOODLES
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada12 Posts
February 13 2012 08:31 GMT
#84
Well, it's not quite the same, but I really like 8tracks ( http://www.8tracks.com ). It's basically a website where people make playlists and you can listen to them, I enjoy it. And sometimes I just really need to listen to 'random' music that I am not controlling.
Visiting Saturns seems like a lot of fun, but you will die
nimbus99
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada194 Posts
February 13 2012 08:32 GMT
#85
phew, thought it was worldwide
Hail to the Emperor of Terran
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
February 13 2012 08:36 GMT
#86
On February 13 2012 16:22 BenBuford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 07:09 beg wrote:
On February 13 2012 06:16 wBsKillian wrote:
still free in Germany

oh wait! (yes I know I still can access it :D )

WTF? you kidding me? it has been locked/blocked in germany since about 2 weeks.



i'm using a proxy to access grooveshark since then. but it's not free anymore. you don't even have an option to pay. it's just locked.




ps: when ACTA is passed, using grooveshark will maybe be an actual crime........... omfg........................... internet, why you not cool anymore?


This is what I read:
+ Show Spoiler +
They raised the prices at my local grocery store.
So I'm like "fuck that shit! I'll break in through the back door and grab all the stuff I want! You can't stop me!".
When the police arrive, this may actually be seen as a crime. What is this world coming to?


Ungrateful brats... </old man>


It would be more accurate if food could be recreated without cost and you used to get food for free and suddenly didn't.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
kNeddo
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany28 Posts
February 13 2012 08:40 GMT
#87
4$ is a quite good deal, for such a quality service. i would pay up to 10$ or even 20$ per month if the service is not limited and complete legal. as i am from germany grooveshark is geoblocked for me, so i am unfortunaltely out of the game.

btw: for firefox exist a couple of addons which will proxy your grooveshark requests, and make the service accessible again.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 13 2012 08:47 GMT
#88
The main problem with Grooveshark and all the other online radio/playlist thingies is that they don't have any of the music I listen to. It really is difficult for me. None of the albums I like are in the stores either, what do?
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
February 13 2012 09:48 GMT
#89
This is probably because of ACTA I guess?
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 09:54:34
February 13 2012 09:51 GMT
#90
On February 13 2012 16:26 Onioncookie wrote:
So does anyone have a replacement for german users?

Grooveshark was so good .... tried out simfy and its very annoying and missing out some cool features ... and theres a 20 Hours per month limit for free users (reached it in 2 days) , and iam not even talking about the commercials and "way less music to choose from" ....

T_T i miss grooveshark already

I never used grooveshark so I can't tell you about the difference.
But I am using lastfm.de like 3 years now. If you just want to listen some random music (which you give a general topic by searching for tags or artists) it's a nice place to be

Btw guys you ever knew that you can listen to web radios?
And I can understand that they need to charge you, honestly I guess I would pay some small fee for lastfm.de as well. Like 3 Euros/Month is fine with me if I can listen good music, as much as I want.

Edit:
On February 13 2012 17:47 Shikyo wrote:
The main problem with Grooveshark and all the other online radio/playlist thingies is that they don't have any of the music I listen to. It really is difficult for me. None of the albums I like are in the stores either, what do?

Um, so even amazon and itunes don't have the music you listen? Then you should maybe write the artists they should try to actually distribute their music to their fans instead of hiding it in their basement

Edit2: Yea I am half-evil now :3 333 posts ftw.
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hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
February 13 2012 09:54 GMT
#91
WOOT still free in India. Too bad spotify isnt available here yet T_T
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Emeritus
Profile Joined December 2010
Croatia10 Posts
February 13 2012 10:59 GMT
#92
I use a little extension called Stealthy, it's available both on chrome and firefox, it's definitely the simplest way to use proxy you will find. Just click the little icon when you need to proxy something. Works for pretty much anything... Spotify, Pandora, Grooveshark
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
February 13 2012 11:16 GMT
#93
On February 13 2012 17:40 kNeddo wrote:
4$ is a quite good deal, for such a quality service. i would pay up to 10$ or even 20$ per month if the service is not limited and complete legal. as i am from germany grooveshark is geoblocked for me, so i am unfortunaltely out of the game.

btw: for firefox exist a couple of addons which will proxy your grooveshark requests, and make the service accessible again.


care to share the name of that firefox extension?
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
fuzzz
Profile Joined October 2010
267 Posts
February 13 2012 11:26 GMT
#94
real art = spreading an opinion, therefore it should always be free. calling shitty pop music art is retarded. must be shit listening to commercial garbage. diy ftw and down with the music business
usa lol
Bondator
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland120 Posts
February 13 2012 11:31 GMT
#95
Damn. I just bought earphones this saturday, so I could listen to grooveshark with my phone. I hope this "We never meant to..." is all it's going to be, because luckily the streaming app doesn't seem affected at all.
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Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
February 13 2012 11:35 GMT
#96
The problem with other music sites is ... theres alot less songs ... you could nearly find all songs (remixes , covers , acoustics) @ grooveshark ...

Not just the original one.
kleetzor
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany360 Posts
February 13 2012 11:37 GMT
#97
For Germany, Switzerland and Austria, use Simfy.de

Its pretty good so far, most of the stuff Ive wanted to hear, is there.

Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 11:44:59
February 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#98
On February 13 2012 20:37 kleetzor wrote:
For Germany, Switzerland and Austria, use Simfy.de

Its pretty good so far, most of the stuff Ive wanted to hear, is there.


Well its all about the playlists for me.
Dont want to make new ones. And there are also a lot of good ones on Grooveshark I subscribed to.

I continue to proxy.
Off-season = best season
JaBrOnI
Profile Joined February 2011
Philippines59 Posts
February 13 2012 11:43 GMT
#99
Still free here in the Philippines but I'm thinking that they would be implementing this in other countries as well.

Hmmmm...anymore good suggestions for music streaming?
En Taro Tassadar
Swizzae
Profile Joined October 2010
52 Posts
February 13 2012 11:49 GMT
#100
for the germans, and maybe other too, here's a chrome plugin that comes quite handy to access grooveshark again.
it has been working flawlessy ever since it got released

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/docdgimmdejoiemdafcgeodchlbllgac
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
February 13 2012 11:54 GMT
#101
This is hilarious, Romania and Russia are like top10 and top1 at pirating. Who cares if it's not free anymore for us )))
Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
SySLeif
Profile Joined July 2011
United States123 Posts
February 13 2012 11:56 GMT
#102
They have to get more money from those countries because the cost of doing business there is higher.
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
February 13 2012 11:57 GMT
#103
Fuck this sopa and anti piracy acts.They are ruining the internet.
日本語が上手ですね
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 13 2012 12:08 GMT
#104
On February 13 2012 06:09 BenBuford wrote:
OMG music doesn't just magically appear?
I can't believe someone wants money for providing a service.

Hardcore illegal from Groovesharks side, they do not own any rights to the music they are supplying, they shoudn't be able to demand pay (unlike Spotify which has proper licenses for the music available).
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
February 13 2012 12:12 GMT
#105
I love Grooveshark, any way I can donate anyway?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
February 13 2012 12:17 GMT
#106
Hm, I have a spotify unlimited subscription, but Spotify doesn't have kpop so I use grooveshark a lot for that. It seems weird that it would only cost money in some countries, too.
memes are a dish best served dank
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 13 2012 12:24 GMT
#107
On February 13 2012 21:17 marttorn wrote:
Hm, I have a spotify unlimited subscription, but Spotify doesn't have kpop so I use grooveshark a lot for that. It seems weird that it would only cost money in some countries, too.

Just download Kpop or rip it from youtube so you can put it in spotify.
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
February 13 2012 12:27 GMT
#108
The only reason Grooveshark has a database at all is because they asked their users to illegally upload music to their servers. I have a feeling they won't last much longer.
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
February 13 2012 12:35 GMT
#109
as an alternative you might consider the Last.fm plugin for chrome. I've been using it for quite some time now. No ads, free.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbncpldmanoknoahidbgmkgobgmhnafh
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
February 13 2012 12:36 GMT
#110
It is getting increasingly annoying to live in germany with all that GEMA crap. I can practically not use youtube right now when I'm not using a proxy. Now the same with grooveshark. I'd very much be willing to pay for the situation to be the same as in the US (hulu, grooveshark/pandora/spotify, youtube), but I'm just not able to.

Also if anyone knows about an android app I can still download music with from germany, that would make me a very happy man ;-)
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 13:29:59
February 13 2012 12:38 GMT
#111
On February 13 2012 20:56 SySLeif wrote:
They have to get more money from those countries because the cost of doing business there is higher.


Please explain how running an internet website has higher costs if you have users from Romania or Russia.
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
February 13 2012 13:05 GMT
#112
free for hungarians~
Give thanks and praise!
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
February 13 2012 15:09 GMT
#113
On February 13 2012 21:38 Manimal_pro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 20:56 SySLeif wrote:
They have to get more money from those countries because the cost of doing business there is higher.


Please explain how running an internet website has higher costs if you have users from Romania or Russia.


Licensing.
Swizzae
Profile Joined October 2010
52 Posts
February 13 2012 15:48 GMT
#114
On February 14 2012 00:09 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 21:38 Manimal_pro wrote:
On February 13 2012 20:56 SySLeif wrote:
They have to get more money from those countries because the cost of doing business there is higher.


Please explain how running an internet website has higher costs if you have users from Romania or Russia.


Licensing.


as far as i know grooveshark doesnt have any license to run their platform, isnt that the reason they are getting sued?
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
February 13 2012 18:16 GMT
#115
One of the head guys over at Grooveshark, Pauly Crush was talking about this a couple weeks ago on a local radio show. He basically said that they are being sued constantly, and in order to make a profit they would have to start this.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
February 13 2012 18:27 GMT
#116
Pandora is the most famous one no? Last.fm?
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
February 13 2012 18:28 GMT
#117
On February 13 2012 21:27 lolmlg wrote:
The only reason Grooveshark has a database at all is because they asked their users to illegally upload music to their servers. I have a feeling they won't last much longer.


They're getting sued by the 4 biggest record labels so you might be right.
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
February 13 2012 18:31 GMT
#118
I doubt it's because they are being sued, its because they realized that their customer base has grown pretty large and just like anything else that blows up, they are going to start charging for it because they know that people will pay for it.... its just economics, I doubt this has much to do with SOPA.
HolyMountain
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States14 Posts
February 13 2012 18:33 GMT
#119
http://orlandoweekly.com/news/eagle-vs-shark-1.1265934

I 've seen a couple of the grooveshark people around..they seemed pretty bummed.

this was last week's cover article .
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surprise
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany38 Posts
February 13 2012 18:35 GMT
#120
Would love to be able to pay, Grooveshark is good yo

Sometimes it sucks to be German(tm)...
(See YouTube as well)
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
February 13 2012 18:41 GMT
#121
Grooveshark is currently being sued by almost every major label globally which may be the reason why they're facing a finacial crisis. The lawsuit started last month (January 2012) and considering how many record labels are angry at them, they're probably not going to stay free for long.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57353515-93/grooveshark-now-feels-lawsuit-wrath-of-all-major-music-labels/
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
themask4f
Profile Joined December 2011
138 Posts
February 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#122
what is grooveshark? :L
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
February 13 2012 18:49 GMT
#123
On February 13 2012 20:26 fuzzz wrote:
real art = spreading an opinion, therefore it should always be free. calling shitty pop music art is retarded. must be shit listening to commercial garbage. diy ftw and down with the music business


I could write a 10 page essay on why everyone that says this is clueless as hell, but I'll leave it at this:

Nearly every single great piece of art has provided the artist monetary compensation. If you can't make a living through your art you can't practice it full time, hence your art will never be as good as it could be. Not to mention the fact that they just deserve to be paid for producing a quality product, even if it's not a physical object.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
February 13 2012 18:49 GMT
#124
On February 14 2012 03:45 themask4f wrote:
what is grooveshark? :L

You couldn't google that for yourself? It's a music streaming website.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 13 2012 18:51 GMT
#125
Will agree with all the " Music should not be free " shit when music will not be so damn expensive.
15€ an album, and 20€ a movie ?
I mean.. really ? Company are expecting us to buy a these price ? :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Wyk
Profile Joined March 2011
314 Posts
February 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#126
Good job guys. Lets just give free stuff to people who actually have money to purchase it.
Fucking racist cunts.

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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 19:07:40
February 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#127
You can still proxy into a free country. I think this is mainly because big music companies like universal and sony sue the shit out of grooveshark. Also germany not having grooveshark is for a totally different reason, kinda similiar to why you can't even use half of youtube from germany.
The only positive thing is that the current music industry will probably not survive long term, the way they deal with new inventions (like cloud music streaming services or the internet in general) and their current price policies just shows that they still live in the 20th century and try to farm as long as they still can.

Good thing I switched to pandora though^^
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
February 13 2012 19:11 GMT
#128
I don't understand why it costs so much more to operate in those countries that they need to charge users. That really sucks for you guys, grooveshark is legit, I use it every day. If I had to pay for it I'd probably be forced to go back to piracy.
Spotify is alright but it has a much more shallow library than grooveshark.
good vibes only
SunSunych
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation6 Posts
February 13 2012 19:17 GMT
#129
Looks like Grooveshark is still free in Russia. Anyway I can listen my playlists.
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
February 13 2012 19:24 GMT
#130
Works in Romania right now... at least for me (using ro ip, no proxy/vpn).
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 19:28:04
February 13 2012 19:26 GMT
#131
On February 14 2012 04:02 Wyk wrote:
Good job guys. Lets just give free stuff to people who actually have money to purchase it.
Fucking racist cunts.

Umm what? I wish i already had that report button T_T
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
February 13 2012 19:28 GMT
#132
On February 13 2012 06:14 agtemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:12 MaverickSC wrote:
thank god its still free in Canada ^^

+1 idk what I would do if I wouldn't be able to listen to my favourite players playlists


Maybe develop your own taste in music?

I actually already, willingly, pay for grooveshark. It's awesome.
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
February 13 2012 19:30 GMT
#133
On February 14 2012 03:49 Skwid1g wrote:

I could write a 10 page essay on why everyone that says this is clueless as hell, but I'll leave it at this:

Nearly every single great piece of art has provided the artist monetary compensation. If you can't make a living through your art you can't practice it full time, hence your art will never be as good as it could be. Not to mention the fact that they just deserve to be paid for producing a quality product, even if it's not a physical object.


Well said.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
February 13 2012 19:32 GMT
#134
On February 14 2012 04:02 Wyk wrote:
Good job guys. Lets just give free stuff to people who actually have money to purchase it.
Fucking racist cunts.


ROFL, best post I have read today. This really doesnt pertain to anything else in this thread and has nothing to do with racism. It did make me laugh very hard though, thanks! ^^
Ihmeorkki
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland2 Posts
February 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#135
Grooveshark works just fine for me, using from Finland.
Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
February 14 2012 04:23 GMT
#136
Its really wierd that for some people in the same country it works and for some not. For example some romanian people mentioned here that Grooveshark works for them, but for me it dosn't. Same ISP....
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Hellka
Profile Joined May 2011
France41 Posts
February 14 2012 10:31 GMT
#137
So fu**ing bad. ._.
[RS]Fuchs
Profile Joined April 2011
76 Posts
February 14 2012 10:36 GMT
#138
The GEMA is the worst thing ever happend to inovation in modern music markets in Germany ....
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 14 2012 10:44 GMT
#139
On February 14 2012 03:49 Skwid1g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 20:26 fuzzz wrote:
real art = spreading an opinion, therefore it should always be free. calling shitty pop music art is retarded. must be shit listening to commercial garbage. diy ftw and down with the music business


I could write a 10 page essay on why everyone that says this is clueless as hell, but I'll leave it at this:

Nearly every single great piece of art has provided the artist monetary compensation. If you can't make a living through your art you can't practice it full time, hence your art will never be as good as it could be. Not to mention the fact that they just deserve to be paid for producing a quality product, even if it's not a physical object.

Problem being that artists aren't gaining shit from record sales, they make their money of concerts, merchandise etc.
fuzzz
Profile Joined October 2010
267 Posts
February 14 2012 11:18 GMT
#140
On February 14 2012 03:49 Skwid1g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 20:26 fuzzz wrote:
real art = spreading an opinion, therefore it should always be free. calling shitty pop music art is retarded. must be shit listening to commercial garbage. diy ftw and down with the music business


I could write a 10 page essay on why everyone that says this is clueless as hell, but I'll leave it at this:

Nearly every single great piece of art has provided the artist monetary compensation. If you can't make a living through your art you can't practice it full time, hence your art will never be as good as it could be. Not to mention the fact that they just deserve to be paid for producing a quality product, even if it's not a physical object.


but you did not mention one

anyways, opinions differ what art is and what not. i own about 20k vinyl records and some old and new printed arts i paid for. i support art and still wont pay for mainstream "art". the difference is you pay the industry in mainstream "arts" not the artist. we could go deaper in the matter what pop culture is, who created it and why it exist but this would be another topic.

i sometimes like to listen to some easy going pop songs, tv show or a move. i live pretty healthy yet still like to sometimes eat some fat burger knowing its "unhealty". sure i have to pay for the burger but i dont care if i could not get any.

therefore i belive with free "art" platforms people like me at least take notice of the "lesser" arts and maybe spread it and be free commercial.
usa lol
remodemo
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany120 Posts
February 14 2012 11:43 GMT
#141
i dont know whether this has been posted yet, but i have found a solution to the problem.
i live in germany ergo i shouldnt be able to use grooveshark at all. but i downloaded the cocoon plugin for firefox and now it works. cocoon hides your ip adress thus you cannot be identified as german or finnish or whatever. the official website of the plugin is https://getcocoon.com/
you will need to create an account. but other than that the plugin is really simple and easy to install. important to note: works ONLY for firefox.
cerb
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany215 Posts
February 14 2012 12:38 GMT
#142
Well, interesting way Grooveshark goes for. We will see where this leads to. I hope Grooveshark will not close it's service.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
February 14 2012 12:50 GMT
#143
I haven't used groove shark before but have heard about it. Does the free version (in places where it is still available) play ads, and does the $4 remove them? I'm just wondering as I pay $10 per month for spotify premium, although that's mainly do I can stream music onto my phone.
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
February 14 2012 12:56 GMT
#144
Still free in Sweden thank fuck. I'd imagine if Grooveshark went pay only all Swedish users would go back to Spotify or back to DL'ing mp3's lol.

Firebolt145: Grooveshark got no adds and no fee
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i3rainless
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany34 Posts
February 14 2012 13:03 GMT
#145
Hey does anyone know soundcloud?

http://soundcloud.com/

I love this website and it is free. It is the perfect site for unkown artist to present their music. There is so much good stuff i love it!!!

If anyone loves electric music, minimal, dubstep (and 2 Pac :D) PM and I give you my soundcloud name then you can explore my favorties
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 14 2012 13:27 GMT
#146
there are certain ways you can avoid things like the block for germany etc..
but if you use it actively and also download from it i dont think 4€ a month is much.
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
February 14 2012 13:31 GMT
#147
Why don't people just roll spotify instead? I'm so happy with Spotify <3
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
February 14 2012 16:44 GMT
#148
On February 14 2012 21:56 DwD wrote:
Still free in Sweden thank fuck. I'd imagine if Grooveshark went pay only all Swedish users would go back to Spotify or back to DL'ing mp3's lol.

Firebolt145: Grooveshark got no adds and no fee

Where do they make their money from then?
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Norzma
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden160 Posts
February 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#149
Happy to be paying to use spotify which I find to be a great service, never really got into grooveshark for some wierd reason.
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
February 14 2012 16:59 GMT
#150
i use a plug-in to listen to grooveshark. it connects via a proxy but then disconnects once your in. so you get the full speed. its not illegal as far as i see here in germany. i dont know about the other contries though.

to me the internet is international and FUCK everyone i was in the internet before GEMA so please get the fuck out of my internet.

btw grooveshark is not fully legit. so save your money and use a plugin. if they are not fully legit you dant have to be either, right?
Jarskaaja
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland4 Posts
February 15 2012 21:03 GMT
#151
On February 14 2012 22:31 Mentalizor wrote:
Why don't people just roll spotify instead? I'm so happy with Spotify <3


It requires a Facebook account to sign up and log in.
Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
February 15 2012 21:10 GMT
#152
On February 16 2012 06:03 Jarskaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 22:31 Mentalizor wrote:
Why don't people just roll spotify instead? I'm so happy with Spotify <3


It requires a Facebook account to sign up and log in.

Yeppers.. rather stupid.
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:27:27
February 18 2012 11:02 GMT
#153
Google Chrome put incognito mode on. Fixed

sry false alarm
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
February 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#154
On February 15 2012 01:44 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 21:56 DwD wrote:
Still free in Sweden thank fuck. I'd imagine if Grooveshark went pay only all Swedish users would go back to Spotify or back to DL'ing mp3's lol.

Firebolt145: Grooveshark got no adds and no fee

Where do they make their money from then?


There are ads on the homepage, but not 'vocal' commercials in between songs.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
February 18 2012 11:27 GMT
#155
I wonder how this is going to affect SocialMist. Grooveshark integration was one of their key features i believe. Well lets se if it can overtake facebook when it launches.
"!@€#" - as some guy said
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
February 18 2012 11:45 GMT
#156
On February 14 2012 22:31 Mentalizor wrote:
Why don't people just roll spotify instead? I'm so happy with Spotify <3

Its more expensive. Or then you just have to deal with not listening to a song many times, lol, I'd just use youtube instead.
as useful as teasalt
Kiichol
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden182 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 11:50:35
February 18 2012 11:47 GMT
#157
On February 16 2012 06:03 Jarskaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 22:31 Mentalizor wrote:
Why don't people just roll spotify instead? I'm so happy with Spotify <3


It requires a Facebook account to sign up and log in.


So just create an alias facebook account?
Your going to veto a service based on the fact you have to make a facebook account which you don't even have to use?
Seems like a shallow excuse which your using to veil the under-lying reason =/

Spotify to me is the perfect middle-ground of paying absurd prices for CD's or downloading free, illegally.
Does Grooveshark pay the Artists royalties? Anyone know?
“In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.” - Oscar Wilde
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
February 18 2012 12:14 GMT
#158
hmmm that will maybe reopen it in germany... we got another site simfy.de which raises 5€/month... 4$ should be a bit cheaper.
Jarskaaja
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 18:19:59
February 18 2012 18:18 GMT
#159
On February 18 2012 20:47 Kiichol wrote:
So just create an alias facebook account?
Your going to veto a service based on the fact you have to make a facebook account which you don't even have to use?
Seems like a shallow excuse which your using to veil the under-lying reason =/

Yes, I am.

You do realize that this is Facebook attempting to take over services to make them require Facebook to use? If your answer to everything is "create a facebook account", eventually Facebook becomes the only log-in system of the internet because there will be no downside for any business to start using a facebook login. This makes Facebook become even worse than Google in terms of privacy: FB will know every service you use and everything you do.

This is a recent change by Spotify that screws over everyone that did not register before facebook was mandatory. There is no reason to REQUIRE facebook because they have their own login system, but Sean Parker, one of Spotify's founders and a major investor in Facebook made this happen. This way Facebook is one step forward for becoming the universal login of the internet.

In the end, Facebook will be able to make money off people that are not interested in the service Facebook is providing but third party services that require a facebook account for no reason.
rOse_PedaL
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Korea (South)450 Posts
February 18 2012 18:21 GMT
#160
awwwwwww
but i dont use groove shrak anymore
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
February 18 2012 18:21 GMT
#161
I will never make a Facebook account, I sure hope that doesn't happen Jarskaaja.... =.=;
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
February 18 2012 18:56 GMT
#162
Grooveshark is pretty shady. They have music on there that only exists in the p2p market, like fake compilations of b-sides. Spotify may not pay a lot, but atleast they have negotiated with the labels on playing their music.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
February 18 2012 19:11 GMT
#163
On February 19 2012 03:21 fabiano wrote:
I will never make a Facebook account, I sure hope that doesn't happen Jarskaaja.... =.=;


Facebook is the root of all evil, that is not caused through religion :D
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Jarskaaja
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 19:31:30
February 18 2012 19:30 GMT
#164
On February 19 2012 03:56 ninini wrote:
Grooveshark is pretty shady. They have music on there that only exists in the p2p market, like fake compilations of b-sides. Spotify may not pay a lot, but atleast they have negotiated with the labels on playing their music.

As long as I'm not capable of using Spotify (facebook requirement) it might as well not exist.

I'm actually paying for a $9/month grooveshark account that lets me use their android app. I wouldn't have any trouble paying 10€/month for spotify but they're not even letting me in.
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
February 18 2012 21:07 GMT
#165
Good ol' Germany! Fucking over its citizens wherever it can. First Youtube then Grooveshark.
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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
February 21 2012 14:42 GMT
#166
It seems Denmark will follow the German example. An investigation against Grooveshark and their potential infringement is being started from "rettighedsalliancen" and the police has forced the telephone operator 3 to DNS-block the use of Grooveshark.com during the investigation.

Seems like it is first step towards placing it on the same national list as thepiratebay.com where all ISPs are forced to block it. The crazy thing about it is that it will still be 100 % legal to use the site through a proxy!
Repeat before me
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
March 01 2012 04:34 GMT
#167
Is it just me or is grooveshark not working anymore? Just stopped working in the past few hours for me.
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
March 01 2012 04:36 GMT
#168
On March 01 2012 13:34 TheGreenMachine wrote:
Is it just me or is grooveshark not working anymore? Just stopped working in the past few hours for me.

https://twitter.com/#!/Grooveshark

Uh oh! The site is temporarily down due to some network issues, but we'll have it back up ASAP. Terribly sorry for the disruption.
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
March 01 2012 04:38 GMT
#169
ty ^^
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Mystik
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada35 Posts
March 01 2012 04:40 GMT
#170
Thank so much trainRiderJ! I was beginning to worry it got taken down in today's crazy age.
BackTrack
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada76 Posts
March 01 2012 04:40 GMT
#171
hmm i was listning to grooveshark earlier while streaming...then all the sudden grooveshark went down, and is still down as of now, and just shows a "server not found" message........i wonder if theyre in the process of switching it in my area, i'm in vancouver, canada
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
March 01 2012 04:51 GMT
#172
On March 01 2012 13:40 BackTrack wrote:
hmm i was listning to grooveshark earlier while streaming...then all the sudden grooveshark went down, and is still down as of now, and just shows a "server not found" message........i wonder if theyre in the process of switching it in my area, i'm in vancouver, canada

i live in maine, its happening to me too. TT
ProBot
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada170 Posts
March 01 2012 05:04 GMT
#173
Yeah same here
nemo14
Profile Joined January 2011
United States425 Posts
March 01 2012 05:13 GMT
#174
"google chrome could not find grooveshark"

this is from the U.S. and started a few hours ago
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
March 01 2012 05:16 GMT
#175
On March 01 2012 14:13 nemo14 wrote:
"google chrome could not find grooveshark"

this is from the U.S. and started a few hours ago


Ya website is down completely atm.
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LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
March 01 2012 05:18 GMT
#176
Something seems fishy about this.. $4 per month is ALOT to ask for "operating costs" considering their popularity.. I dont know how much in royalties grooveshark actually paid, but this could certainly have been due to a crackdown on copyright laws, the question is, why would grooveshark lie?
Live and Let Live
WackaAlpaca
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada208 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 05:27:19
March 01 2012 05:25 GMT
#177
Canadian (West coat) here, grooveshark is simply unable to be connected to over here.
im so sad i literally listened to grooveshark like 5-9 hours a day ;_;

EDIT: my guess is that they cracked down on grooveshark and ordered them to shut down immediately. In a last ditch effort to rake in some money they threw up the "please pay us" thing. They then shut the site down after making some hard cash from people who paid right away, took the money and ran.
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LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
March 01 2012 05:35 GMT
#178
On March 01 2012 14:25 WackaAlpaca wrote:EDIT: my guess is that they cracked down on grooveshark and ordered them to shut down immediately. In a last ditch effort to rake in some money they threw up the "please pay us" thing. They then shut the site down after making some hard cash from people who paid right away, took the money and ran.


That's what I was thinking too..
Live and Let Live
Mystik
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada35 Posts
March 01 2012 05:45 GMT
#179
Yay! It's back up and running! =D
WackaAlpaca
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada208 Posts
March 01 2012 05:50 GMT
#180
On March 01 2012 14:35 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 14:25 WackaAlpaca wrote:EDIT: my guess is that they cracked down on grooveshark and ordered them to shut down immediately. In a last ditch effort to rake in some money they threw up the "please pay us" thing. They then shut the site down after making some hard cash from people who paid right away, took the money and ran.


That's what I was thinking too..


Mystik wrote:
Yay! It's back up and running! =D


STOP USING GROOVESHARK IT HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY GOVERNMENT. ANYONE WHO USES THE SITE WILL BE RECORDED AND FLAGGED FOR "Piracy Watch" FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS.
THEY ARE WATCHING YOUR DOWNLOADS AND ANYTHING ABOVE 256mb A DAY WILL AUTOMATICALLY PING AN INVESTIGATION INTO YOUR PAST/CURRENT/FUTURE DOWNLOADS.

ABANDON SHIP

User was warned for this post
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TheRealHH
Profile Joined December 2010
United States106 Posts
March 01 2012 06:56 GMT
#181
On March 01 2012 14:50 WackaAlpaca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 14:35 LaLLsc2 wrote:
On March 01 2012 14:25 WackaAlpaca wrote:EDIT: my guess is that they cracked down on grooveshark and ordered them to shut down immediately. In a last ditch effort to rake in some money they threw up the "please pay us" thing. They then shut the site down after making some hard cash from people who paid right away, took the money and ran.


That's what I was thinking too..


Show nested quote +
Mystik wrote:
Yay! It's back up and running! =D


STOP USING GROOVESHARK IT HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY GOVERNMENT. ANYONE WHO USES THE SITE WILL BE RECORDED AND FLAGGED FOR "Piracy Watch" FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS.
THEY ARE WATCHING YOUR DOWNLOADS AND ANYTHING ABOVE 256mb A DAY WILL AUTOMATICALLY PING AN INVESTIGATION INTO YOUR PAST/CURRENT/FUTURE DOWNLOADS.

ABANDON SHIP


My sarcasm detector is broken, if this is a case of sarcasm I apologise in advance. Just thought I'd say you don't download anything on Grooveshark, you can only stream the music unless you use external programs (afaik). So yeah.
LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 07:18:10
March 01 2012 07:17 GMT
#182
You don't download them in the traditional sense, rather store them in temporary files.. either way you're in the E-permanent file system permanently.
Live and Let Live
Tremendous
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark155 Posts
March 03 2012 03:17 GMT
#183
blocked in denmark... but there are ways around these things !
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 03 2012 03:20 GMT
#184
I feel like it's only a matter of time before it's pay for everyone.
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Tremendous
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark155 Posts
March 03 2012 03:29 GMT
#185
On March 03 2012 12:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I feel like it's only a matter of time before it's pay for everyone.


Its not been converted to a "pay-to-use", the ISP's have been told to block it same way they did with the pirate bay. It's a simple matter to get around it but its still annoying. I really like grooveshark
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 04:02:05
March 03 2012 03:40 GMT
#186
People always want things for free, people ad block the streams they watch very regularly. As soon as things which are usually free over the internet start getting charged for, people get up in arms about it. People fight against sopa and acta on the net (which were wrong, I don’t disagree on that), but people think that EVERYTHING on the internet should be free. That music and films and TV series should be available to anyone without any kind of trade taking place. I watch hours of internet streams a week, be it SC2 or LoL or things on You Tube and I can’t complain about adverts because that’s what is keeping all of this available to me. I didn’t get into spotify until they were playing an advert every 3 or 4 songs because that was how they survived, I’ve never had a problem with it.

People need to realise that piracy is a massive problem on the internet, and we don’t have the right to simply watch or listen to things that people have made for free, regardless of whether or not the profits are going to the artist or the meaningless record label who will simply churn the next act out of their factory.

We might not agree with everything that happens in this world, but the people who make these fantastic pieces of media that we all watch and talk about and discuss and debate deserve the right to protect what they have done, and personally, I think that comes above our right to be able to expect these things for nothing.

I’ve probably gone way too far in general with this post but there’s been so much recently about freedom of speech on the internet recently posted on TL, that I just wanted to put my thoughts forward about the issue in general. Yes, I think its brilliant that people rose up in a singular voice and said no to things like SOPA, but on the other side, I know that if I was making original content, be it through a music studio, a film production company or sitting in a basement of a shitty flat, I would want the things that I made to be mine, and for them to be distributed on my terms, and if I wanted to charge people to watch or listen or whatever to my media, that I was able to do so fairly and not have people assume that downloading my creation off the Pirate Bay or Mega Upload or anywhere else for free was fine.

I hope this makes sense to some people.

Peace out TL, your all awesome.
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Kelsin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States253 Posts
March 03 2012 03:51 GMT
#187
I subscribed to Rdio a while back and absolutely love it. I was worried about Grooveshark eventually going away so decided that it was worth it (to me) to get onto a service that sounded like they had lasting potential.
holzofenbrot
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
March 03 2012 15:09 GMT
#188
I'm shocked that so many are willing to pay for a service that doesn't pay the artists anything.
Jarskaaja
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland4 Posts
March 05 2012 21:30 GMT
#189
Update: Grooveshark is free in paywall countries again (at least it's free in Finland again), but now they want you to view an advertisement video every few hours. If you paid the money when they asked you to, you will not get the ad video.

On March 04 2012 00:09 holzofenbrot wrote:
I'm shocked that so many are willing to pay for a service that doesn't pay the artists anything.

What options are there? All the good ones (namely Rdio) are United States only. The only ones here in Finland are Spotify and Deezer that both require a Facebook account to use.

I got the $9/month for mobile grooveshark and I'm happy with it as long as it doesn't get shut down. Would love to pay for Spotify but they don't let me sign up without facebook.
Kernen
Profile Joined July 2011
United States84 Posts
March 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#190
Was scared when I saw the title. I use groove shark all the time. Glad it still works in the America's.
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sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
March 05 2012 23:57 GMT
#191
On February 13 2012 06:14 agtemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:12 MaverickSC wrote:
thank god its still free in Canada ^^

+1 idk what I would do if I wouldn't be able to listen to my favourite players playlists


You would... pay?

I pay for Spotify Premium, 10 euros a month or something like that which I find cheap for such a great service, it's also an easy way to atleast contribute a tiny bit to my favorite bands.
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
March 09 2012 14:28 GMT
#192
On March 06 2012 08:57 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 06:14 agtemd wrote:
On February 13 2012 06:12 MaverickSC wrote:
thank god its still free in Canada ^^

+1 idk what I would do if I wouldn't be able to listen to my favourite players playlists


You would... pay?

I pay for Spotify Premium, 10 euros a month or something like that which I find cheap for such a great service, it's also an easy way to atleast contribute a tiny bit to my favorite bands.


Spotify Premium is just so much better. Spotify on my phone, every song I'd ever want add-free on my computer. And knowing that my money is actually supporting the artists I'm listening to just makes it so much better to me. And yeah, it's kindda cheap - and legal
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 10 2012 09:10 GMT
#193
Thank you for suggesting using cocoon, now I can use my grooveshark in Germany again
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Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
March 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#194
Fuck, Norway got hit as well...
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
itsNero
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada30 Posts
March 11 2012 21:59 GMT
#195
Are you sure I'm using it now....
I think that it's only on your country.
CanadaSoFTW
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itsNero
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada30 Posts
March 11 2012 21:59 GMT
#196
Are you sure I'm using it now....
I think that it's only on your country.
Drone <3
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
March 11 2012 22:05 GMT
#197
Scared me with the tittle there. Glad its not worldwide,
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GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
March 11 2012 22:05 GMT
#198
Canada still free. Maybe it's to build funds to fight legal battles in those Countries??? I dunno...
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
March 11 2012 22:47 GMT
#199
On March 03 2012 12:51 Kelsin wrote:
I subscribed to Rdio a while back and absolutely love it. I was worried about Grooveshark eventually going away so decided that it was worth it (to me) to get onto a service that sounded like they had lasting potential.
As have I, it's a great service. Their Mac standalone client is fantastic, and seems to be based off Mac iTunes (which is actually good unlike Windows iTunes) though their Windows client could use a bit of work. There's almost all the music I like on it, and it's only $5 per month. For the amount I use it, that is a huge deal, as I probably listen to it for 6-8 hours a day. For a 30 day month, that's less than 3 cents per hour. During finals I'll probably use it more like 10 hours per day.

I used to use Grooveshark (but only for a little bit) but they seem kinda shady as they essentially sell your info in exchange for album rights, which they don't pay for until the song or album has a huge number of listens. (Source)
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holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 19:39:30
March 27 2012 19:38 GMT
#200
Grooveshark now asks for money when you try to play a song, or you can listen for 4 hours after watching a 30 second commercial.

It literally came into effect today for the U.S., I think.
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
March 27 2012 19:43 GMT
#201
On March 28 2012 04:38 holdthephone wrote:
Grooveshark now asks for money when you try to play a song, or you can listen for 4 hours after watching a 30 second commercial.

It literally came into effect today for the U.S., I think.

EU here. It came into effect here a few days ago. I turned off ad block, wathed 1 add, turned on ad block again, and have never had to watch one again
MrMcIntosh
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia91 Posts
March 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#202
you could use a proxy from a country not where you live?
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CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 19:44:34
March 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#203
I got this notification when I attempted to play a song today
EDIT: I live in the US btw
[image loading]
It seems that depending on how much you pay changes how much you get for 1 month before another payment, if you choose the 0 Dollar option then it plays you a video add and wont bother you for another 4 hours.
If you choose the 2$ option then it wont bother you for another month
if you choose the 4$ seems to be the same as the 2$
The 6$ option will have no ads on the site for a month, and the 9$ option gives you access to their mobile services as well as no ads for a month.
Seems to me like it's pay or get spammed with ads now; a video ad every 4 hours is going to get annoying; it also seems that adblock users won't be exempt from the this video add either, because its a notification that comes up (stopping your music) and makes you click "play" on a Youtube video, and once it has been playing long enough (you can't just skip to the end of the ad, I tried) you can click a "resume playback" option and continue as normal for another 4 hours.
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Kluwn
Profile Joined April 2010
52 Posts
March 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#204
On March 28 2012 04:44 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I got this notification when I attempted to play a song today
EDIT: I live in the US btw
[image loading]
It seems that depending on how much you pay changes how much you get for 1 month before another payment, if you choose the 0 Dollar option then it plays you a video add and wont bother you for another 4 hours.
If you choose the 2$ option then it wont bother you for another month
if you choose the 4$ seems to be the same as the 2$
The 6$ option will have no ads on the site for a month, and the 9$ option gives you access to their mobile services as well as no ads for a month.
Seems to me like it's pay or get spammed with ads now; a video ad every 4 hours is going to get annoying; it also seems that adblock users won't be exempt from the this video add either, because its a notification that comes up (stopping your music) and makes you click "play" on a Youtube video, and once it has been playing long enough (you can't just skip to the end of the ad, I tried) you can click a "resume playback" option and continue as normal for another 4 hours.



There's a firefox extension that removed the old popups that stopped your song.This will probably be handled the same way.
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
March 27 2012 20:42 GMT
#205
On March 28 2012 05:39 Kluwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 04:44 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I got this notification when I attempted to play a song today
EDIT: I live in the US btw
[image loading]
It seems that depending on how much you pay changes how much you get for 1 month before another payment, if you choose the 0 Dollar option then it plays you a video add and wont bother you for another 4 hours.
If you choose the 2$ option then it wont bother you for another month
if you choose the 4$ seems to be the same as the 2$
The 6$ option will have no ads on the site for a month, and the 9$ option gives you access to their mobile services as well as no ads for a month.
Seems to me like it's pay or get spammed with ads now; a video ad every 4 hours is going to get annoying; it also seems that adblock users won't be exempt from the this video add either, because its a notification that comes up (stopping your music) and makes you click "play" on a Youtube video, and once it has been playing long enough (you can't just skip to the end of the ad, I tried) you can click a "resume playback" option and continue as normal for another 4 hours.



There's a firefox extension that removed the old popups that stopped your song.This will probably be handled the same way.

There is also this addon you guys might wanna check out.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/proxmate/
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
lost_artz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States366 Posts
March 28 2012 00:16 GMT
#206
Single 30 second ad every 4 hours in US? Seems fair to me.
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
March 28 2012 00:19 GMT
#207
On March 28 2012 09:16 lost_artz wrote:
Single 30 second ad every 4 hours in US? Seems fair to me.


Yeah, still better then having to pay for 4 hours of music.
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Magrath
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada292 Posts
March 28 2012 00:33 GMT
#208
I've been paying $3 a month for Grooveshark for a long time now and I do it because I support it. I understand that it costs money to create the music that I listen to on there and money to host the servers that it streams from. Paying $4 a month for unlimited music is not asking too much. I'll keep paying for it until it gets shutdown when the music labels are done with it.

It's a good service anyone who thinks it's a service when they aren't paying for it it's considered charity because you don't pay them a dime for what they do. I hope others support this kind of unlimited for a monthly cost deal.
Anything can be acheived through persistence and thought
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
March 28 2012 11:09 GMT
#209
Nothing in england yet
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
March 28 2012 11:21 GMT
#210
On March 28 2012 09:16 lost_artz wrote:
Single 30 second ad every 4 hours in US? Seems fair to me.


Yeah, for the quality that Grooveshark gives, I honestly don't mind at all watching a 30 second ad every 4 hours. To be honest I wouldn't even mind once an hour, though hopefully they don't get anymore ideas. :p
peddy-kun
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1 Post
March 29 2012 22:25 GMT
#211
On March 28 2012 09:16 lost_artz wrote:
Single 30 second ad every 4 hours in US? Seems fair to me.

lucky. I had to watch a ten minute video,but yeah,it it does seem fair.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
March 29 2012 22:29 GMT
#212
On March 28 2012 04:44 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I got this notification when I attempted to play a song today
EDIT: I live in the US btw
[image loading]
It seems that depending on how much you pay changes how much you get for 1 month before another payment, if you choose the 0 Dollar option then it plays you a video add and wont bother you for another 4 hours.
If you choose the 2$ option then it wont bother you for another month
if you choose the 4$ seems to be the same as the 2$
The 6$ option will have no ads on the site for a month, and the 9$ option gives you access to their mobile services as well as no ads for a month.
Seems to me like it's pay or get spammed with ads now; a video ad every 4 hours is going to get annoying; it also seems that adblock users won't be exempt from the this video add either, because its a notification that comes up (stopping your music) and makes you click "play" on a Youtube video, and once it has been playing long enough (you can't just skip to the end of the ad, I tried) you can click a "resume playback" option and continue as normal for another 4 hours.


AHAHAHAAHAHAH 30 seconds every 4 hours is spam now?

WOOOOOOW
Gunter
Profile Joined December 2011
United States38 Posts
March 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#213
I havent gotten any ads for grooveshark and ive been listening the last couple days
warblob004
Profile Joined January 2011
United States198 Posts
March 29 2012 22:34 GMT
#214

Noooooooooooooooooo
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ManTrain
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark126 Posts
April 22 2012 15:21 GMT
#215
I don't know about other countries, but at least in Denmark it is no longer possible to acces Grooveshark without a proxyserver.(or atleast i haven't found another way around it).
It says something about it being illegal.

Anyone knows how to get around this?
Chvol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States200 Posts
April 22 2012 15:34 GMT
#216
It was nice a a free thing, but I wouldn't pay for it because sometimes the songs you had on playlists just disappeared. Like, I had about 500 songs on a list and then one time I went to it and there were only 420. I had no idea which ones were gone either, lol. I'm not sure how it works, but their library changes.
Makavillin
Profile Joined March 2011
113 Posts
April 22 2012 15:34 GMT
#217
I've had no issues accessing Grooveshark in Canada. No ads either.
AlphaFerg
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States148 Posts
April 22 2012 15:46 GMT
#218
They've been letting me even close the video after 10 seconds had passed. Seems more than fair for free music, playlists, basically not having to pay for music at all. I'll probably subscribe and give them more money so they can continue being internet superheroes.
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Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
April 22 2012 15:55 GMT
#219
I go on Grooveshark, start a song, video pops up, 10 seconds later I click close video, now I listen to music for 4 hours. It's really hard to find a way of complaining about this.
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
April 22 2012 16:00 GMT
#220
I used spotify for a while, but I switched to grooveshark. I found the ads far too invasive.
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
April 22 2012 16:21 GMT
#221
I use a proxy to access grooveshark as it's way way better than anything else.
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