On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
Prob only because it deemed unpolitical correct to support mens rights, right?
Though they aren't actually classified as a hate group, there is a strange bit of selective outrage. Men bitching about women/feminism is totally evil misogyny, but the equally common misandric comments on the feminism subreddit are totally fine.
Misandry isn't fine and it certainly isn't feminism. If you want MRAs to represent people who don't hate women go out there and reclaim them. I'll challenge any feminist who hates men.
I'm not really active in the MRA subreddit, but I follow it fairly casually, and I find it really isn't so bad. The community does have a minority of people who like to hate on women, but apart from that I find it quite an informative source about gender issues for men. I'm convinced the constant bashing of the community y feminist users and bloggers is pretty much entirely due to biases from ideology. If you support MRAs, you must be a misogynist, despite the fact that a majority of active users have fairly reasonable views.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
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The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
There are obviously other examples as well, these links took me only a couple of minutes to compile and give you a scope of what r/mensrights is.
Rape culture is a questionable term, in my view. Rape is the most despised crime in our culture, with child rape the most despised subset. Though there might be cultural factors that contribute to the prevalence of rape, our culture does not systematically facilitate or encourage rape. Even if you don't agree that it doesn't exist, at the very least questioning the existence of such an insidious sounding thing is not ridiculous or hate speech. Blaming the victim is not something I agree with, but I can't find any upvoted comment that I would interpret as victim blaming.
In the thread about the domestic assault case, I think the posters were reasonable, for the most part
I don't think this compilation makes a good case for your opinion that r/mensrights is a horrible place, unless I am missing something.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
nope.jpg
The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
There are obviously other examples as well, these links took me only a couple of minutes to compile and give you a scope of what r/mensrights is.
Rape culture is a questionable term, in my view. Rape is the most despised crime in our culture, with child rape the most despised subset. Though there might be cultural factors that contribute to the prevalence of rape, our culture does not systematically facilitate or encourage rape. Even if you don't agree that it doesn't exist, at the very least questioning the existence of such an insidious sounding thing is not ridiculous or hate speech. Blaming the victim is not something I agree with, but I can't find any upvoted comment that I would interpret as victim blaming.
In the thread about the domestic assault case, I think the posters were reasonable, for the most part
I don't think this compilation makes a good case for your opinion that r/mensrights is a horrible place, unless I am missing something.
That top photo has always bothered me! Her story sounds like she got drunk, willingly cheated on her boyfriend, and then saw a radfem blog that convinced her that counts as a rape. When she told her friends she was now calling her consensual encounter a rape, they told her it wasn't and she got even more upset
http://i.imgur.com/pgTWTTP.jpg
These are the top posts on this thread which are pretty self explanatory on why they are "horrible".
I can link more threads if you want because I understand that three posts may just be minor incidents, but the majority of what I have read on r/mensrights is really this ridiculous. My main point is that when a community constantly uses slurs such as "cunt" and "bitch", are trans-phobic in many of their posts, or dismiss privilege I just find it hard to believe they are for equality of everyone.
The term "rape-culture" is only bad because: "the more components we include within the concept, the less useful it becomes". The term was made useless when its definition started to include pretty much every area of misogyny and gender inequality. I see it as a marketing tool and nothing more.
That's not to say its components aren't of concern. Rape is by no means a social problem that we have under control. In many cases, rape is not sufficiently prosecuted or not prosecuted at all. Rape is acceptable to various extents in some groups of people. However those issues are too diverse and stem not only from cultural elements but also from legal difficulties as well as other stuff.
That's why I think calling it "rape culture" serves no purpose.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
nope.jpg
The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
There are obviously other examples as well, these links took me only a couple of minutes to compile and give you a scope of what r/mensrights is.
Rape culture is a questionable term, in my view. Rape is the most despised crime in our culture, with child rape the most despised subset. Though there might be cultural factors that contribute to the prevalence of rape, our culture does not systematically facilitate or encourage rape. Even if you don't agree that it doesn't exist, at the very least questioning the existence of such an insidious sounding thing is not ridiculous or hate speech. Blaming the victim is not something I agree with, but I can't find any upvoted comment that I would interpret as victim blaming.
In the thread about the domestic assault case, I think the posters were reasonable, for the most part
I don't think this compilation makes a good case for your opinion that r/mensrights is a horrible place, unless I am missing something.
That top photo has always bothered me! Her story sounds like she got drunk, willingly cheated on her boyfriend, and then saw a radfem blog that convinced her that counts as a rape. When she told her friends she was now calling her consensual encounter a rape, they told her it wasn't and she got even more upset
These are the top posts on this thread which are pretty self explanatory on why they are "horrible".
I can link more threads if you want because I understand that three posts may just be minor incidents, but the majority of what I have read on r/mensrights is really this ridiculous. My main point is that when a community constantly uses slurs such as "cunt" and "bitch", are trans-phobic in many of their posts, or dismiss privilege I just find it hard to believe they are for equality of everyone.
I think the post you are talking about is jumping to conclusions, assuming someone wasn't raped is admittedly strange. But this is not victim blaming, as in, "well if she didn't want to get raped she shouldn't have gotten drunk, or wore a short skirt", the poster is disputing that the girl got raped at all. But I will give you this one as a a single upvoted comment that I find disturbing. I don't dispute that there are some less-than-reasonable users, the same goes for TL.
I don't think those slurs are at all common, you offer no evidence for this.
I don't know what it means to dismiss privilege, appeals to your opponents privilege are not impressive to me, and they shouldn't be impressive to anyone. Being privileged in some areas, does not detract from the fact that you may be disprivileged in others. There is some petty discussion about who was it worse, ofcourse, but so what?
The fact is that men's issues are almost entirely ignored, and it is because feminists are hostile towards taking any privilege from women. In most western countries the mother of a child is pretty much automatically given primary custody of a child in the event of seperation, with little regard for the situation. Feminists are for the most part opposed to equal parental rights for men, and this is just an example.
You, and others, would probably say that if men's issues are to be taken seriously MRAs need to stop being such misogynistic pigs, and get a better reputation. But how is this going to happen when people immediately assume any men's rights activist is like that regardless of reality, and feminists will repeatedly attack anyone that is concerned about men's issues?
But ofcourse these people aren't real feminists right?
Bullshit feminists don't care about men. Most feminists I know and many not in person talk about gender roles and how it affects men unfairly. Everything from splitting the bill and dating to child custody, unfair situation of single fathers, and being raised with a specific attitude which may not be ideal to them.
Female feminists do not really get to talk about that because they are not men and most of them know they don't know anything about being male. Even if it is out of good intentions, I would be angry if women assumed they knew all the problems men face and knew what was best for us. Issues like that is where we come in and it is not the problem of feminism that these problems exist.
On January 26 2014 08:19 Shiragaku wrote: Bullshit feminists don't care about men. Most feminists I know and many not in person talk about gender roles and how it affects men unfairly. Everything from splitting the bill and dating to child custody, unfair situation of single fathers, and being raised with a specific attitude which may not be ideal to them.
Female feminists do not really get to talk about that because they are not men and most of them know they don't know anything about being male. Even if it is out of good intentions, I would be angry if women assumed they knew all the problems men face and knew what was best for us. Issues like that is where we come in and it is not the problem of feminism that these problems exist.
We had this discussion before, and I have little other than your personal assurances that feminism cares, it is not enough for me. Finding feminists that are friendly to men's issues is not is not as easy as it should be, and finding feminists that are extremely hostile to MRAs is, in contrast, very easy.
I do not much like the reasoning in the second part of your post. I think we live in society together, and trying to understand and form opinions about the challenges faced by each gender, regardless of your own, should be important. But I find that the view that men in feminism is fine as long as they are not very vocal is a common opinion in feminist communities. Support us, but shut the fuck up.
A common dismissal of men's issues is that all our problems are because of patriarchy aswell, and as soon as mighty feminism has destroyed it, all will be well for everyone. So men don't even have to try to fight for any of their own issues.
On January 26 2014 08:19 Shiragaku wrote: Bullshit feminists don't care about men. Most feminists I know and many not in person talk about gender roles and how it affects men unfairly. Everything from splitting the bill and dating to child custody, unfair situation of single fathers, and being raised with a specific attitude which may not be ideal to them.
Female feminists do not really get to talk about that because they are not men and most of them know they don't know anything about being male. Even if it is out of good intentions, I would be angry if women assumed they knew all the problems men face and knew what was best for us. Issues like that is where we come in and it is not the problem of feminism that these problems exist.
The problem is that SJWs are abusing all this "patriarchy" and "rape culture" shit do be racists themselves ofc for the greater good. Like every movement you will have radicals that are posting shit the problem with the SJWs and feminists is that noone within their movement or group calls them out on their bullshit.
Where were the prominant bloggers that criticized anita sarkeesian for her money grabbing, her statments that she doesnt like games or the fact that she didnt even play the games she used to criticize? Where were the prominant feminists that called out adria richards that she is a malicious person, making sexist jokes herself and then get 2 guys fired that made a nerdy joke that wasnt even adressed to her. Where were those prominant feminists that say getting asked for coffee in an elevator is not rape. Tell me where those feminists were? Nobody calls out bullshit, it is nothing like a fucking eco chamber were their point of view gets more radical each day.
But then again proof me wrong, show me prominant bloggers and twitterers (?) that are known feminists or SJWs that called such persons out. I guess you will have a really hard time finding them. More likely you will find a shitload of persons that defend those absolutely disgusting positions no matter what. So please show me articles on feminist websites that criticize such persons and call them out on that. I beg you to do so. The only thing you will find is nothing but praise for the jean darc that gets two guys fired for ridicilous nerdy joke while making dick jokes on her very own twitter. But making sexist joke is ok if you are a women and if you are a man and the joke is innocent were you interpret the "sexism" into then those men are literally the devil.
Then tell me again that most feminists are only good minded people and not delusional sheep that will accept anything their overlords tell them.
Every movement must be critical to itself otherwise you end up with a bunch of radicalized partisans that do nothing but thrive in their eco chambers and believe everything they say and is justified as long as a sufficient number of buzzwords is used.
On January 26 2014 08:19 Shiragaku wrote: Bullshit feminists don't care about men. Most feminists I know and many not in person talk about gender roles and how it affects men unfairly. Everything from splitting the bill and dating to child custody, unfair situation of single fathers, and being raised with a specific attitude which may not be ideal to them.
Send some of those feminists out here to California. They laugh off all mistreatment of men by the courts, society, and the government, claiming its somehow justified by the history of patriarchy, or simply deny the issue's importance. Export some of the free-thinking type. I've got enough in my area believing that woman can't sexually abuse children (or only do so when under the thumb of a man).
I do not much like the reasoning in the second part of your post. I think we live in society together, and trying to understand and form opinions about the challenges faced by each gender, regardless of your own, should be important. But I find the thought that the view that men in feminism is fine as long as they are not very vocal is a common opinion in feminist communities. Support us, but shut the fuck up.
I use to think this way as well, but more often than not when you open your mouth to speak about issues that you do not face at all, you start to sound pretty damn ridiculous. Read Native Son by Richard Wright and listen to how the white anti-racists treat the main character who is black. The theme for the white anti-racists and for white people in general, even those who are neutral is that they don't get it, no matter how sympathetic they may be. This does not mean you should shut up, but when group who is much more disenfranchised in one particular way, such as rape and harassment for women, it is generally a good idea listen which is something many allies fail to do. Of course, you have every right to speak out when you hear stuff that completely goes against common sense and I have seen plenty of that myself. One such topic is fat shaming which is really ugly once you start to see how cruel people can be. If you are a good humanist, you should naturally oppose all forms of discrimination, and that includes fat shaming.
However, sometimes I see feminists who state that there is nothing wrong with obesity (we are not talking being a little overweight here) and at that point, you should raise an objection, but if you are going to use the health argument, make sure you know your facts because they are often surprising.
A common dismissal of men's issues is that all our problems are because of patriarchy aswell, and as soon as mighty feminism has destroyed it, all will be well for everyone. So men don't even have to try to fight for any of their own issues.
Well I do think that many problems of men are rooted in patriarchy. For example, men are suppose to be tough, intimidating, and not girly. Another one is that men cannot show emotions or experiment with androgyny. And concerning "mighty feminism," I am assuming you are talking about women and it is not so. These are issues concerning men and it is saddening that more men are not concerned about such issues, especially one's related to parenting such as child custody.
Also Sokrates, I am not going to bother responding to you because I know damn well just by reading this thread that you pretty much ignore everything that is being said to you. You are like a Christian fundamentalist who can only see secularism as being anti-Christian and when it does not fit their picture of secularism, they try to re-frame it so it does.
I do not much like the reasoning in the second part of your post. I think we live in society together, and trying to understand and form opinions about the challenges faced by each gender, regardless of your own, should be important. But I find the thought that the view that men in feminism is fine as long as they are not very vocal is a common opinion in feminist communities. Support us, but shut the fuck up.
I use to think this way as well, but more often than not when you open your mouth to speak about issues that you do not face at all, you start to sound pretty damn ridiculous. Read Native Son by Richard Wright and listen to how the white anti-racists treat the main character who is black. The theme for the white anti-racists and for white people in general, even those who are neutral is that they don't get it, no matter how sympathetic they may be. This does not mean you should shut up, but when group who is much more disenfranchised in one particular way, such as rape and harassment for women, it is generally a good idea listen which is something many allies fail to do. Of course, you have every right to speak out when you hear stuff that completely goes against common sense and I have seen plenty of that myself. One such topic is fat shaming which is really ugly once you start to see how cruel people can be. If you are a good humanist, you should naturally oppose all forms of discrimination, and that includes fat shaming.
However, sometimes I see feminists who state that there is nothing wrong with obesity (we are not talking being a little overweight here) and at that point, you should raise an objection, but if you are going to use the health argument, make sure you know your facts because they are often surprising.
A common dismissal of men's issues is that all our problems are because of patriarchy aswell, and as soon as mighty feminism has destroyed it, all will be well for everyone. So men don't even have to try to fight for any of their own issues.
Well I do think that many problems of men are rooted in patriarchy. For example, men are suppose to be tough, intimidating, and not girly. Another one is that men cannot show emotions or experiment with androgyny. And concerning "mighty feminism," I am assuming you are talking about women and it is not so. These are issues concerning men and it is saddening that more men are not concerned about such issues, especially one's related to parenting such as child custody.
I pretty much agree with everything. Obviously I don't really care for the term patriarchy, but apart from that we seem to have little disagreement.
I'm not here to say you're going to like the way every MRA presents himself. I want anybody still open-minded about misandry in society, ala "It might exist but I haven't seen it," to critically examine some under-reported aspects. It will have no effect on any others.
Also Sokrates, I am not going to bother responding to you because I know damn well just by reading this thread that you pretty much ignore everything that is being said to you. You are like a Christian fundamentalist who can only see secularism as being anti-Christian and when it does not fit their picture of secularism, they try to re-frame it so it does.
What do i ignore? That you state that the "bad" feminists are the minority? You dont get my point.
My point is not that feminism is bad per se. My point is that the original idea of feminism gets perverted each day because it becomes more and more absurd due to the lack of opposition within their very own movement. That is why i hate feminism. Not that i hate women or i hate to see people adressing issues. My hate derives from the lack of critical thought within their very own community. It is nothing else than shit that happened a uncountable times in human history. Everything started off with "good intentions" and became a fucking nightmare.
To prove me wrong just do what i said in the post above. Show me the critical thought show me the calling out of persons that are NOT feminists but claim otherwise. You will find nothing.
On January 25 2014 06:51 KwarK wrote: Men's rights activists don't typically fight for men's rights. MRAs typically congregate on reddit and hate on women. I've not met any masculists but I suspect they'd be strongly against being grouped with MRAs, as would anyone else actually interested in gender equality.
nope.jpg
The MRA subreddit is classified as a hate group by the SPLC lol.
In that case you should stop listening to SPLC. I spend some time in that subreddit, very rarely do I come across any hatred of women. Whenever I see it, it is almost always being downvoted. I do come across a lot of harsh criticism of feminism and individual feminists, but most of it is warranted.
Really? These threads don't seem that rare to me. It only takes a couple seconds of reading to find something ridiculous being upvoted to the top.
What is wrong with those threads?
(I think the spamming of the rape form is very questionable, but I do think the way extra-legal way rape claims are investigated and judged is quite evil)
There are obviously other examples as well, these links took me only a couple of minutes to compile and give you a scope of what r/mensrights is.
Rape culture is a questionable term, in my view. Rape is the most despised crime in our culture, with child rape the most despised subset. Though there might be cultural factors that contribute to the prevalence of rape, our culture does not systematically facilitate or encourage rape. Even if you don't agree that it doesn't exist, at the very least questioning the existence of such an insidious sounding thing is not ridiculous or hate speech. Blaming the victim is not something I agree with, but I can't find any upvoted comment that I would interpret as victim blaming.
In the thread about the domestic assault case, I think the posters were reasonable, for the most part
I don't think this compilation makes a good case for your opinion that r/mensrights is a horrible place, unless I am missing something.
That top photo has always bothered me! Her story sounds like she got drunk, willingly cheated on her boyfriend, and then saw a radfem blog that convinced her that counts as a rape. When she told her friends she was now calling her consensual encounter a rape, they told her it wasn't and she got even more upset
http://i.imgur.com/pgTWTTP.jpg
These are the top posts on this thread which are pretty self explanatory on why they are "horrible".
I can link more threads if you want because I understand that three posts may just be minor incidents, but the majority of what I have read on r/mensrights is really this ridiculous. My main point is that when a community constantly uses slurs such as "cunt" and "bitch", are trans-phobic in many of their posts, or dismiss privilege I just find it hard to believe they are for equality of everyone.
I think the post you are talking about is jumping to conclusions, assuming someone wasn't raped is admittedly strange. But this is not victim blaming, as in, "well if she didn't want to get raped she shouldn't have gotten drunk, or wore a short skirt", the poster is disputing that the girl got raped at all. But I will give you this one as a a single upvoted comment that I find disturbing. I don't dispute that there are some less-than-reasonable users, the same goes for TL.
I don't think those slurs are at all common, you offer no evidence for this.
I don't know what it means to dismiss privilege, appeals to your opponents privilege are not impressive to me, and they shouldn't be impressive to anyone. Being privileged in some areas, does not detract from the fact that you may be disprivileged in others. There is some petty discussion about who was it worse, ofcourse, but so what?
The fact is that men's issues are almost entirely ignored, and it is because feminists are hostile towards taking any privilege from women. In most western countries the mother of a child is pretty much automatically given primary custody of a child in the event of seperation, with little regard for the situation. Feminists are for the most part opposed to equal parental rights for men, and this is just an example.
You, and others, would probably say that if men's issues are to be taken seriously MRAs need to stop being such misogynistic pigs, and get a better reputation. But how is this going to happen when people immediately assume any men's rights activist is like that regardless of reality, and feminists will repeatedly attack anyone that is concerned about men's issues?
But ofcourse these people aren't real feminists right?
Citation needed...
Feminists are against the patriarchy that holds traditional values such as women are the care givers and men provide the resources.
If feminism succeeds in its goal of breaking down traditional gender roles, then the legal system will have to consider each case on an individual level of what’s best for the children. Maybe it is best if the mother is the primary caregiver while the father pays. Maybe it’s the other way around.
I don't understand how people come up with the idea that feminists ignore mens issues when in reality they are fighting equality for all. It just seems to me people like to create "straw feminists" without ever providing any actual evidence where feminists actually say anything just as extreme or ridiculous.
The first instalment of my response to Danielle Paradis' and her very pat answers to the debate topic "Is Feminism hate?"
"First, you open your video with the quote that everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts, and then you went on to say that you would, as a feminist, add "or her" to that quote. I agree. One of the reasons I do is that the primary architects of feminist theory--things like The Patriarchy, Rape Culture and the Patriarchal Terrorism Paradigm of family violence--those architects were primarily women, and they seemed to feel entitled to their own facts, or to something I'll call "selective facts". Given that, adding "or her"? That's a really good idea."
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