Interesting series of documentaries about feminism - Page 14

On January 26 2014 16:10 Housemd wrote:
I think feminism, at its core, is a great idea.

The idea of equality for women outside of biological differences is something that obviously cannot be argued against. However, in practice feminism has received a negative label due to the extremes of members. Moreover, feminists need to realize that men have some issues in terms of equality too and those need to be rooted out too.

On January 26 2014 09:56 almart wrote:

Citation needed...

I don't understand how people come up with the idea that feminists ignore mens issues when in reality they are fighting equality for all. It just seems to me people like to create "straw feminists" without ever providing any actual evidence where feminists actually say anything just as extreme or ridiculous.

On January 26 2014 18:38 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
The idea of feminism started as equality for both sexes to freely choose which gender they would like. Men allowed to be stay at home dads, women allowed to be ceos. Equal pay and equal opportunity.

Since it's startup there have been members that say they're feminists when they're actually shouting women are superior to men. Then you have men seeing that group and think that is what feminists truly are and saying feminism is wrong.

It is like any ideology/religion, you have extremists in it no matter what you are. Learn and understand the core beliefs and ignore the extremists. Don't let the attacks against men turn into witch trials and don't let the attacks against women go ignored.

If you see your boss pass a promotion onto a guy instead of the more qualified women that is working harder, speak up. If you work in the restaurant field as a line cook and your boss mistreats the female waiters or female line cooks. Speak up, if you aren't heard, speak to someone in the restaurant that will be heard, if it doesn't work, don't make money for an asshole(quit, you can find a job as a line cook anywhere these days).
The only reason assholes remain able to be assholes is because we give them money. Easy enough to boycott with how many different options there are.

On January 26 2014 18:54 Crushinator wrote:


http://www.canada.com/technology/internet/Trans women face incessant attacks online/9427402/story.html
http://twanzphobic.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/militancy-is-our-only-option/
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/jessica-valenti-calls-for-end-to-presumption-of-innocence-due-process/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy#In_feminist_thought
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
Like you, these took me under a minute to find.

I also recommend Steven Pinker's writings and the many examples of feminist attacks on academia that they believe are detrimental to their cause, without regard for truth. Feminism will insist that any aspect human culture is arbitrary social construct, and do not accept any evidence to the contrary. Recognising that some aspects of gender and gender relations are due to human nature is important, if only because it gives us better insight into how to resist the natural aspects of gender relations.

Now, ofcourse many of these positions are minority positions. The same goes for MRAs that post ridiculous shit. There is selective outrage here, all these radical feminists are just a minority we shouldn't worry about, but we can't take MRAs seriously because of the same minorities. Hell, radical feminism is taken seriously as an intellectual position in much of social science.

I just don't buy that feminists are fighting for men, they just aren't all that concerned with men's issues. Tell me what percentage of posts on r/feminism mentions the difficulties of men? Tell me what you think about the number of tumblr blog entries attacking men vs entries that take men's issues seriously?

And that is fine, we can have two movements. But don't tell me feminism will take care of things, it just won't.

I won't bother responding to any of your examples of supposed hate speech in MRA communities, I think anyone who approaches these communities with an open mind will find that they are fairly benign, and I challenge feminists to actually try to understand what these people are fighting for. I went in there a while ago with the expectation that I would find a bunch of male supremacists being horrible. I was quite pleasantly surprised that the community was for the most part quite resonable, though often quite negative and cynical, more interested in fighting the negative effects of feminism than making any positive contribution. Can hardly blame them for that, they are under constant attack by feminists and other commentators who are scared of getting on feminism's bad side.

On January 26 2014 20:03 Nacl(Draq) wrote:


That one about rape as a presumed crime is crazy. That's a return to witch hunts pure and simple. Is that actually happening in sweden?

On January 26 2014 04:55 Crushinator wrote:


Rape culture is a questionable term, in my view. Rape is the most despised crime in our culture, with child rape the most despised subset. Though there might be cultural factors that contribute to the prevalence of rape, our culture does not systematically facilitate or encourage rape. Even if you don't agree that it doesn't exist, at the very least questioning the existence of such an insidious sounding thing is not ridiculous or hate speech. Blaming the victim is not something I agree with, but I can't find any upvoted comment that I would interpret as victim blaming.

In the thread about the domestic assault case, I think the posters were reasonable, for the most part

I don't think this compilation makes a good case for your opinion that r/mensrights is a horrible place, unless I am missing something.

On January 26 2014 23:20 Dark_Chill wrote:


You sure it's not murder? I mean, in one case you're sexually assaulting someone and most likely causing a good amount of mental damage. In the other case, well, they're just dead. No mental damage I suppose, but no life either.

On January 27 2014 01:52 SiroKO wrote:
Interisting marxist opinion on the subject from a French polemist (Alain Soral).

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Fr SUB Eng.

On January 27 2014 02:10 kwizach wrote:

Don't forget to mention that the "polemist" worked for the French "Front national" for a few years, an extreme right-wing party, and left the party not because he disagreed with them but because he did not receive a position high enough in the hierarchy. He's clearly anti-feminist and has very little respect for women overall. He's also made anti-Semitic and anti-immigration comments in the past.

On January 26 2014 23:21 sushiman wrote:
Yes, in some cases that is true, but there's also been cases of actual physical injury where the perpetrator(s) have gone free on dodgy grounds. In the case I mentioned, both parties are in agreement that the girl said no several times, but the man was still acquitted since the court judged that he misjudged the no as part of an act; that's just downright insulting to the victim and sets a standard that lets people get away just by claiming they 'misjudged' the victims protests and/or fighting back.
Most rape cases gets dropped before going to court anyway, and there's a tendency to be very lenient towards the rapists which is why law changes are suggested frequently.

On January 27 2014 03:51 SiroKO wrote:


There's also a tendency for women to make false accusations of rape, ergo explaining why judge tend to be lenient in some cases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

False accusations of rape account for 10-50% of the total cases of rape.
A false accusation may be perpetrated out of a desire for attention or sympathy, anger or revenge.
It is a 100% women practice.

THE CLAIM Close to half or even more of the sexual assaults reported by women never occurred. Versions of this claim are a mainstay of sites like Register-Her.com, which specializes in vilifying women who allegedly lie about being raped. Such claims are also sometimes made by men involved in court custody battles.

THE REALITY This claim, which has gained some credence in recent years, is largely based on a 1994 article in the Archives of Sexual Behavior by Eugene Kanin that found that 41% of rape allegations in his study were “false.” But Kanin’s methodology has been widely criticized, and his results do not accord with most other findings. Kanin researched only one unnamed Midwestern town, and he did not spell out the criteria police used to decide an allegation was false. The town also polygraphed or threatened to polygraph all alleged victims, a now-discredited practice that is known to cause many women to drop their complaint even when it is true. In fact, most studies that suggest high rates of false accusations make a key mistake — equating reports described by police as “unfounded” with those that are false. The truth is that unfounded reports very often include those for which no corroborating evidence could be found or where the victim was deemed an unreliable witness (often because of drug or alcohol use or because of prior sexual contact with the attacker). They also include those cases where women recant their accusations, often because of a fear of reprisal, a distrust of the legal system or embarrassment because drugs or alcohol were involved. The best studies, where the rape allegations have been studied in detail, suggest a rate of false reports of somewhere between 2% and 10%. The most comprehensive study, conducted by the British Home Office in 2005, found a rate of 2.5% for false accusations of rape. The best U.S. investigation, the 2008 “Making a Difference” study, found a 6.8% rate.