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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
October 15 2012 14:20 GMT
#1561
On October 15 2012 23:04 turdburgler wrote:
you are most worried about the cost of phone calls to E.T. ?

Mofucka needs to phone home. I'd be concerned too.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
October 15 2012 14:24 GMT
#1562
On October 15 2012 23:18 Asshat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 23:05 BluePanther wrote:
100 meter fields would totally reduce the scoring in Football. We can't have that.


Just remove the 5 yard meter buffer for illegal contact on receivers, touch them and you get flagged. Rule changes are trending that way anyway.

I think he meant that as a joke.
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
October 15 2012 14:37 GMT
#1563
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
October 15 2012 14:38 GMT
#1564
On October 15 2012 15:45 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 15:16 DeCoder wrote:
Actually that "the rest of the world vs USA" argument is inaccurate.

Along with the USA, the imperial system is used in
- Liberia
- Myanmar

I wonder who's going to be the last to change over?

Compiled reasons why the Metric system (*cough gay*) sucks and why Imperial is better.


1) When I measure, I measure like a man. Not like some girly European socialist. "Ooh, let's have some crumpets and walk a kilometer holding hands!" Pfff.

2) Kids love Fruit By The Foot. You want to give kids Fruit By The Meter? We already have an obesity epidemic you insensitive pricks.

3) Would you rather have your circumcised dick measured in manly inches or centimeters? That's what I thought.

4) Would you rather say you drank a fucking GALLON of Red Bull or 3.78 liters of English tea? Pfff again Europeans...

5) One meter is equal to the distance that light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. WHAT IN THE ROYAL FUCK? An inch is about the length of your thumb, and a foot is about, you guessed it, your foot. You can put away your particle accelerator now.

6) One degree Celsius is equal to the fraction of 1/273.16 “of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.” .... I... just... No. Fuck you celsius. Fuck you.

7) "Cause I would walk 500 kilometers and I would walk 500 more, just to be the man who walked 1000 kilometers to end up at your door." Hey, that's catchy!

8) I know what pounds per inch means. It makes sense. Who knows what the fuck a "Pascal" or a "Newton per meter" is? Enjoy having your tires blow out while you try to figure it out. That's tyres for people with small dicks.

9) Hey, Metric lovers. When are you gonna switch to a base-10 clock to measure time? Hypocrits.

10) Edit: Actually, no. Fuck number ten.

11) How many apostles did Jesus have again? 10? Even God uses Imperial.

12) "OMG it's SO hot, it's 38.4 degrees outside!" Again, fuck you celsius.


USA, Liberia, Myanmar 1-0 Rest of the world.

Hur dur fuck yeah? Derp derderp fuck yeah?

Let me address this:
1) When i drink redbull, I drink a dozen cans. What´s a gallon anyway? Do they sell gallon cans in america? Or did you drink 32 gill cans? Didn´t know they make so tiny cans in america.

2) Would you rather slap 7 on your dick or 20? 7 is such a small number. 20 is much bigger. I prefer 20 cm over 7 inches anyday.

3) 1 meter is the length of the fucking stick in paris that started the metric system. The stick is always the same length. When you measure in foot, do you realise that people have feet of different sizes or thumbs of different sizes? The first thing you have to teach your kids is that a foot is not always a foot long. Seriously, dafuq.

4) 0 degree celsius is the temperature water freezes. At 100°c water boils. Let´s see 100 degree Fahrenheit is the human body temperatur. Sometimes at least since body temperature is not static. 0°F is the lowest temperature Mr. Fahrenheit(A european btw) experienced in a cold winter in Danzig(again, welcome to europe). Is Fahrenheit imperial just because it uses random points for 0 and 100?

5)1 Mile is 1760 yards. Oh yeah, that´s catchy. Or 5280 feet. Oh, did you know, 1760 is a very intuitive 16 times 11 times 10. But you can´t have even numbers in imperial, so I suggest changing a mile to 1776 yards. See, then its 16 times 111.

6) What´s pound per inch? Sound like torque.... oh wait, it´s pressure. Hey, ever heard of 1 bar? 1 bar is the atmospheric pressure. So for you normal atmospheric pressure is ~14.5 pound per square inch? Guess what´s easier to me. 1 bar all the way.

7) God uses imperial? Since when do we have 12 commandments? Oh wait, WE DON´T. We have 10 commandments. Seems like Moses was a metric lover.

8) Half your arguments are FUCK YEAH and FUCK YOU. Is that necessary to argue for imperial, being vulgar?

9) You arguments are 1 short of 12. Why go the extra mile to skip 10 because of metric, but then not go for 12?

10) You do realize that the brits gave you imperial measurements. Why celebrate independance of the brits and then keep on using their system? Tradition? Shortsightedness? Not actually independent?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 14:51:41
October 15 2012 14:43 GMT
#1565
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-


People generally prefer to write things down (read as: dates, in this case) in the same order in which they're spoken.

Some people say: "The 15th of October, 2012", and that's fine, but a little wordy for my (and many others') taste.

I prefer to say: October 15th, 2012. So since I say month then day then year, it's easier to write month then day then year.

Personal preference. That's pretty much the most simple reason why. (I'm well aware that YMD or DMY would go in a better-fitting sized order, but that doesn't necessarily trump everything from a practical perspective.)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 14:50:05
October 15 2012 14:48 GMT
#1566
On October 15 2012 23:38 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 15:45 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 15 2012 15:16 DeCoder wrote:
Actually that "the rest of the world vs USA" argument is inaccurate.

Along with the USA, the imperial system is used in
- Liberia
- Myanmar

I wonder who's going to be the last to change over?

Compiled reasons why the Metric system (*cough gay*) sucks and why Imperial is better.


1) When I measure, I measure like a man. Not like some girly European socialist. "Ooh, let's have some crumpets and walk a kilometer holding hands!" Pfff.

2) Kids love Fruit By The Foot. You want to give kids Fruit By The Meter? We already have an obesity epidemic you insensitive pricks.

3) Would you rather have your circumcised dick measured in manly inches or centimeters? That's what I thought.

4) Would you rather say you drank a fucking GALLON of Red Bull or 3.78 liters of English tea? Pfff again Europeans...

5) One meter is equal to the distance that light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. WHAT IN THE ROYAL FUCK? An inch is about the length of your thumb, and a foot is about, you guessed it, your foot. You can put away your particle accelerator now.

6) One degree Celsius is equal to the fraction of 1/273.16 “of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.” .... I... just... No. Fuck you celsius. Fuck you.

7) "Cause I would walk 500 kilometers and I would walk 500 more, just to be the man who walked 1000 kilometers to end up at your door." Hey, that's catchy!

8) I know what pounds per inch means. It makes sense. Who knows what the fuck a "Pascal" or a "Newton per meter" is? Enjoy having your tires blow out while you try to figure it out. That's tyres for people with small dicks.

9) Hey, Metric lovers. When are you gonna switch to a base-10 clock to measure time? Hypocrits.

10) Edit: Actually, no. Fuck number ten.

11) How many apostles did Jesus have again? 10? Even God uses Imperial.

12) "OMG it's SO hot, it's 38.4 degrees outside!" Again, fuck you celsius.


USA, Liberia, Myanmar 1-0 Rest of the world.

Hur dur fuck yeah? Derp derderp fuck yeah?

Let me address this:
1) When i drink redbull, I drink a dozen cans. What´s a gallon anyway? Do they sell gallon cans in america? Or did you drink 32 gill cans? Didn´t know they make so tiny cans in america.

2) Would you rather slap 7 on your dick or 20? 7 is such a small number. 20 is much bigger. I prefer 20 cm over 7 inches anyday.



Okay I'm gonna stop you right there.

First of all, I don't think you realize that everyone drinks cans of Red Bull, and that you can get different sizes in metric or imperial. A can is not a measurement, and I have no idea what the fuck a gill is. I think it's part of a fish.

Second, the fact that you're arguing that you need a bigger number for your dick is classic overcompensation. Quite clearly, we could even convert our length to inches and still be larger than you in cm.

(Also, you took his list wayyy too seriously.)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
babbaj
Profile Joined April 2012
20 Posts
October 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#1567
I can't understand this discussion. Everyone know that Imperial fucking sucks and only morons can defend it.

Sorry if i'm rude, but i have to.

User was warned for this post
lem0ncake
Profile Joined June 2012
England85 Posts
October 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1568
UK - so it's a clusterfuck of metric and imperial here.
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
October 15 2012 14:56 GMT
#1569
On October 15 2012 22:21 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 20:38 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I really think Metric is the more proper once just because of the scaling it allows. You could argue the fact that what would be the imperial equivalent of a byte, kilobyte, megabyte and gigabyte? given how the imperial system approaches it, you might have four different names for those "metrics" which have no direct relationship to each other in terms of how it is spelled.


I guess the imperial equivalent of kilobyte, megabyte, etc... is to just measure everything in terms of floppy, cdrom and dvd.

"To install this game, you need at least 2 dvds, 6 cdroms and 23 floppies of storage space"

(Conversion factors: 451 floppies to the cdrom, 7.2 cdroms to the dvd)


Genious. I'l use it, thanks!
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
October 15 2012 15:02 GMT
#1570
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 15 2012 15:05 GMT
#1571
I use metric because i prefer democrats.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 15:09:35
October 15 2012 15:08 GMT
#1572
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
October 15 2012 15:09 GMT
#1573
On October 15 2012 23:38 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 15:45 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 15 2012 15:16 DeCoder wrote:
Actually that "the rest of the world vs USA" argument is inaccurate.

Along with the USA, the imperial system is used in
- Liberia
- Myanmar

I wonder who's going to be the last to change over?

Compiled reasons why the Metric system (*cough gay*) sucks and why Imperial is better.


1) When I measure, I measure like a man. Not like some girly European socialist. "Ooh, let's have some crumpets and walk a kilometer holding hands!" Pfff.

2) Kids love Fruit By The Foot. You want to give kids Fruit By The Meter? We already have an obesity epidemic you insensitive pricks.

3) Would you rather have your circumcised dick measured in manly inches or centimeters? That's what I thought.

4) Would you rather say you drank a fucking GALLON of Red Bull or 3.78 liters of English tea? Pfff again Europeans...

5) One meter is equal to the distance that light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. WHAT IN THE ROYAL FUCK? An inch is about the length of your thumb, and a foot is about, you guessed it, your foot. You can put away your particle accelerator now.

6) One degree Celsius is equal to the fraction of 1/273.16 “of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.” .... I... just... No. Fuck you celsius. Fuck you.

7) "Cause I would walk 500 kilometers and I would walk 500 more, just to be the man who walked 1000 kilometers to end up at your door." Hey, that's catchy!

8) I know what pounds per inch means. It makes sense. Who knows what the fuck a "Pascal" or a "Newton per meter" is? Enjoy having your tires blow out while you try to figure it out. That's tyres for people with small dicks.

9) Hey, Metric lovers. When are you gonna switch to a base-10 clock to measure time? Hypocrits.

10) Edit: Actually, no. Fuck number ten.

11) How many apostles did Jesus have again? 10? Even God uses Imperial.

12) "OMG it's SO hot, it's 38.4 degrees outside!" Again, fuck you celsius.


USA, Liberia, Myanmar 1-0 Rest of the world.

Hur dur fuck yeah? Derp derderp fuck yeah?

Let me address this:
1) When i drink redbull, I drink a dozen cans. What´s a gallon anyway? Do they sell gallon cans in america? Or did you drink 32 gill cans? Didn´t know they make so tiny cans in america.

2) Would you rather slap 7 on your dick or 20? 7 is such a small number. 20 is much bigger. I prefer 20 cm over 7 inches anyday.

3) 1 meter is the length of the fucking stick in paris that started the metric system. The stick is always the same length. When you measure in foot, do you realise that people have feet of different sizes or thumbs of different sizes? The first thing you have to teach your kids is that a foot is not always a foot long. Seriously, dafuq.

4) 0 degree celsius is the temperature water freezes. At 100°c water boils. Let´s see 100 degree Fahrenheit is the human body temperatur. Sometimes at least since body temperature is not static. 0°F is the lowest temperature Mr. Fahrenheit(A european btw) experienced in a cold winter in Danzig(again, welcome to europe). Is Fahrenheit imperial just because it uses random points for 0 and 100?

5)1 Mile is 1760 yards. Oh yeah, that´s catchy. Or 5280 feet. Oh, did you know, 1760 is a very intuitive 16 times 11 times 10. But you can´t have even numbers in imperial, so I suggest changing a mile to 1776 yards. See, then its 16 times 111.

6) What´s pound per inch? Sound like torque.... oh wait, it´s pressure. Hey, ever heard of 1 bar? 1 bar is the atmospheric pressure. So for you normal atmospheric pressure is ~14.5 pound per square inch? Guess what´s easier to me. 1 bar all the way.

7) God uses imperial? Since when do we have 12 commandments? Oh wait, WE DON´T. We have 10 commandments. Seems like Moses was a metric lover.

8) Half your arguments are FUCK YEAH and FUCK YOU. Is that necessary to argue for imperial, being vulgar?

9) You arguments are 1 short of 12. Why go the extra mile to skip 10 because of metric, but then not go for 12?

10) You do realize that the brits gave you imperial measurements. Why celebrate independance of the brits and then keep on using their system? Tradition? Shortsightedness? Not actually independent?

Not as funny as jdseemoreglass, but ok. To add to your reasons

7. Jesus was imperial, but corrected his erroneous ways and became metric. How? He dropped Judas and James the Lesser was never really considered an apostle but a group chronicler, making the final number to 10. I hope I remember my grade school religion class right lol.
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 15:13:51
October 15 2012 15:12 GMT
#1574
On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.

Saying =/= writing. Say the dates and times anyway you want, just write them in a way which is consistant and makes sense.

Should also be noted that this is a language issue. In English, saying october 15th may be easier than 15th october, but this isn't true for many other languages, which is of course a nice bonus in those languages. Doesn't make an impact on writing though.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 15 2012 15:15 GMT
#1575
On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.


It's about the "of" in between which makes it more effecient? Pretty sure you can get rid of that, can't you?
We're saying "15ter Oktober 2012" in german as well. No "of" needed and you're good!
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 15 2012 15:17 GMT
#1576
30th of 9 o'clock
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
October 15 2012 15:22 GMT
#1577
On October 16 2012 00:12 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.

Saying =/= writing. Say the dates and times anyway you want, just write them in a way which is consistant and makes sense.

Should also be noted that this is a language issue. In English, saying october 15th may be easier than 15th october, but this isn't true for many other languages, which is of course a nice bonus in those languages. Doesn't make an impact on writing though.


As I said before, there's a logical bridge between saying and writing and doing things in the same order. Why you would say something one way and then write it in reverse is beyond me. That, if anything, would be inconsistent. If I'm saying the order of MDY, then it's far easier for me to write it as MDY (and I already explained why the order of MDY may be more appealing to some- especially those who speak English as you noted). And if it's the norm around here because other people understand my line of reasoning, then there's no problem. And if someone's puzzled, I'll explain it to them.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
October 15 2012 15:23 GMT
#1578
On October 16 2012 00:12 Tobberoth wrote:
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On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.

Saying =/= writing. Say the dates and times anyway you want, just write them in a way which is consistant and makes sense.

Should also be noted that this is a language issue. In English, saying october 15th may be easier than 15th october, but this isn't true for many other languages, which is of course a nice bonus in those languages. Doesn't make an impact on writing though.


No...saying is not =/= writing. I find it extremely convenient when dates are written in M/D/Y because that's how I say it aloud and how I interpret it on paper. If you write 10/15/2012, I immediately know it's October 15, 2012 because that's how I say dates. If you wrote 15/10/2012, I have to quickly mentally rearrange the numbers to get it into my Month Day, Year format that pretty much all Americans use in speaking.

Obviously your mileage varies per culture, but that's the convention here and I don't really see how it affects anybody else. There are more issues with conflicting standards of measurement, but I supplied a post a page or so back about why it would be cost-ineffective and impractical to switch from Imperial to Metric but of course everybody ignored it so they could argue about stupid Americans some more.
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
October 15 2012 15:28 GMT
#1579
On October 16 2012 00:23 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:12 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.

Saying =/= writing. Say the dates and times anyway you want, just write them in a way which is consistant and makes sense.

Should also be noted that this is a language issue. In English, saying october 15th may be easier than 15th october, but this isn't true for many other languages, which is of course a nice bonus in those languages. Doesn't make an impact on writing though.


No...saying is not =/= writing. I find it extremely convenient when dates are written in M/D/Y because that's how I say it aloud and how I interpret it on paper. If you write 10/15/2012, I immediately know it's October 15, 2012 because that's how I say dates. If you wrote 15/10/2012, I have to quickly mentally rearrange the numbers to get it into my Month Day, Year format that pretty much all Americans use in speaking.

Obviously your mileage varies per culture, but that's the convention here and I don't really see how it affects anybody else. There are more issues with conflicting standards of measurement, but I supplied a post a page or so back about why it would be cost-ineffective and impractical to switch from Imperial to Metric but of course everybody ignored it so they could argue about stupid Americans some more.


Of course you find it useful since you're used to it but you can't deny that"the MDY format that pretty much all Americans use in speaking" is really stupid
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
October 15 2012 15:28 GMT
#1580
On October 16 2012 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 16 2012 00:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On October 15 2012 23:37 Cirqueenflex wrote:
while we're at it, why would anyone put the date as MM:DD:YY(YY)? It does not make the slightest sense to me. DD:MM:YY(YY) is way more convenient, as it orders the numbers in frequency of change. Even YY(YY):MM:DD would make more sense to me compared to what a lot of people use -.-

I always found YYYY-MM-DD the be the only logical way, otherway around when shortening it. It just seems logical to specify as you go, so depending on how exact you want to be, the longer it gets. Just want to know year? YYYY, done. Want month as well? YYYY-MM. Hell, the day matters, so we add it. YYYY-MM-DD. How about time you say? YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. Logical and consistant.

Writing the whole MM-DD-YYYY is ridiculous, it would be like writing time HH-SS-MM. "He finished the race in 1 hour, 20 seconds and 35 minutes." WTF, that's beyond dumb.


So it would be ridiculous to say that today's date is October 15th, 2012, despite it being more efficient and quicker to say that than "It is the 15th of October, 2012"? You really think that most laymen believe that mathematical consistency overrides practicality?

Note that you switching minutes and seconds to make your comparison doesn't actually make saying the whole length of time any faster, so no one has a justifiable reason to do that. So it's a false analogy between that and the date switch.


It's about the "of" in between which makes it more effecient? Pretty sure you can get rid of that, can't you?
We're saying "15ter Oktober 2012" in german as well. No "of" needed and you're good!


And in your language that's totally cool. It's technically more efficient in English, however, to do MDY... that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying everyone should say it as MDY, but I'm saying that it's silly to state that no one has any reason to say it that way. I'm just explaining the rationale against people who say it's a 100% dumb idea because on paper and in abstract notions they don't fit consistently. They're ignoring practical aspects to it. If both MDY and DMY required a 10 word phrase to get the point across, but YDM somehow magically required only 3 words, surely you'd see that some people might prefer to say the date in terms of YDM (which would then transfer over to writing it in that order because everyone's speaking it that way anyway), in the interest of time.
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