EPTAK47: from Weapon to High-End Jewelry - Page 4
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
If they go and steal guns from people that would discourage people from investing in an AK 47, (if you knew it would be stolen, but stealing AK 47s is difficult). If they are being bought from warzones, then it is just a funding for militas(which can go to buying more AK47s). If they are being turned in once an area is no longer a "warzone" and people feel safe to just give up their AK47s, but then the problem is solved. I'm guessing it is probably #1.. sort of, they probably take AK47s that have been seized by "police". The problem is some of the "police" are worse than militias in warzones. (at least if they are strong enough to take away AK47s) #2 strategy has been tried in cities in America to counter gang/criminal violence ie turn a gun in , get money. It hasn't really worked as far as I remember, people that want to commit violence just take the money and get another gun. It might be a way to help fund "police" that aren't as bad as the rebels that they are fighting, ie gun interdiction efforts, but if they are paying people More for the guns than a new gun would cost, its a bad idea. | ||
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Zvek
Faroe Islands102 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:08 Soap wrote: Don't get me wrong, I like very much your initiative to bring some light to the cesspool that General usually is, and the other thread is great, but if you really want to help Africa please request the thread to be closed to not spread this further. Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce you to our distinguished Mr. White Knight! | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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sertman
United States540 Posts
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GettinMyFill
Australia37 Posts
Instead, he is just making money from moronic upper-class people who want to feel like they are contributing to something. He has to produce less jewellery which means less guns which means more mark-up which means more expensive jewellery and less sold. This shit is like a drop in the ocean and it's the wrong way to go about it. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:18 GettinMyFill wrote: If Ethos or whoever is marketing these actually gave a shit, they wouldn't sell them as 'high-end jewellery', more as something your average normal-income-earning person both can use, wear and afford. More market, more money, more AK-47's they can turn into jewellery. Instead, he is just making money from moronic upper-class people who want to feel like they are contributing to something. He has to produce less jewellery which means less guns which means more mark-up which means more expensive jewellery and less sold. This shit is like a drop in the ocean and it's the wrong way to go about it. I thought of this too however, they can only afford so many/ only so many are available so it comes off as more prestigous. But yeah it would be better because more guns destroyed and therefor more profit. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On November 27 2011 13:17 Badfatpanda wrote: A wise man once said: it's the thought that counts don't be a douche, cool idea for a good cause! No it's not. It's a terrible thought that demonizes the weapon instead of the people using the weapons for evil. It's like melting down forks to create bicycles to speak out against obesity. "Not only do we destroy these weapons, but we invert what they stand for by remaking them into wearable art." What can a machine possibly stand for? It's the person who utilizes that machine who can stand for something. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote: What? Melting down rifles to jewelery? How are my marines supposed to defend themselves? Harsh language? Well you see, words, are like bullets.. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:42 sheaRZerg wrote: Everyone arguing about the economic feasibility or whatever of continued production of these is reading way too far into it. Its a cute art project that is mean't to be symbolic...not something bent on making loads of money. And no it is not really going to make a dent in the problem That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view. What about a pumpkin carving tool? In fact, if the purpose of this thread is to "reminds us why, despite everything, life is still beautiful!", then I think this video does a better job than the OP. Something that can be used to commit terrible acts, being used for safe, light hearted fun without first being destroyed is a beautiful thing. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
Usually such efforts serve to increase and centralize the power of governments, regimes, and gangs over the people, which in despotic regions such as Africa can be an enormous hindrance to future revolutions, such as occurred recently in Libya, and therefore a potential hindrance to progress and human rights. Violence in modern nations is diminished through law, education, reform, culture. However, if those in power stand in the way of such progress, often force must be met with force. Trying to achieve progress by turning back technology is a naive and simplistic mentality. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:42 sheaRZerg wrote: Everyone arguing about the economic feasibility or whatever of continued production of these is reading way too far into it. Its a cute art project that is mean't to be symbolic...not something bent on making loads of money. And no it is not really going to make a dent in the problem That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view. The real danger is that it makes the problem worse. If they are paying militia members 150 for a weapon that can be acquired on the black market for 100, then they are just funding militia members. If they are giving militia members 50 for something that can be acquired for 100, or if they are only buying weapons from governments that seized the weapons, then there is some potential benefit. (but it is muted, and they may be funding human abuse government police forces) | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On November 27 2011 13:10 Zvek wrote: Sir, this is such a dark outlook on life, and an outright distrust on humanity. There are good people too you know, and if enough people do good, AK47, and war, will be history. I know there are good people and I'm just fine with those people having AK-47s. In fact, I encourage it. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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ffz
United States490 Posts
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
On November 27 2011 12:52 CrazyAsian wrote: They could sell them for a fortune and not destroy any guns at all, why is that such a bad idea. At least they are trying to make the world a better place, every bit counts. What a terrible post you made. So if i buy a knife from some thug on the street for $100, sand it down, paint it gold, and sell it for $1 million as jewlery... I'm doing a good thing? I disagree. They should destroy the guns and make something useful for free. That would be a true act of selflessness. They aren't trying to make the world a better place, they're trying to make money and using a ploy to make it look like they're trying to make the world a better place, and you're falling for it. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9153 Posts
They probably use miniscule amounts of the weapon, if they even use a weapon at all because its hard to audit that claim. It's a pretty good deal, they stand to make a ridiculous profit because of the value-added appeal to emotion advertisements like this bring to their product. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:53 TerlocSG wrote: So if i buy a knife from some thug on the street for $100, sand it down, paint it gold, and sell it for $1 million as jewlery... I'm doing a good thing? I disagree. They should destroy the guns and make something useful for free. That would be a true act of selflessness. They aren't trying to make the world a better place, they're trying to make money and using a ploy to make it look like they're trying to make the world a better place, and you're falling for it. Why should they do something that is "a true act of selflessness"? I don't agree with this particular endeavor but do you realize that often, in the process of making money, you are making the world a better place? For example, think of all the lives Steve Jobs enriched while making huge profits. | ||
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