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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
November 27 2011 05:10 GMT
#61
What? Melting down rifles to jewelery? How are my marines supposed to defend themselves? Harsh language?
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:21:48
November 27 2011 05:11 GMT
#62
Exactly how do they "remove" guns from warzones?

If they go and steal guns from people that would discourage people from investing in an AK 47, (if you knew it would be stolen, but stealing AK 47s is difficult).

If they are being bought from warzones, then it is just a funding for militas(which can go to buying more AK47s).

If they are being turned in once an area is no longer a "warzone" and people feel safe to just give up their AK47s, but then the problem is solved.


I'm guessing it is probably #1.. sort of, they probably take AK47s that have been seized by "police". The problem is some of the "police" are worse than militias in warzones. (at least if they are strong enough to take away AK47s)


#2 strategy has been tried in cities in America to counter gang/criminal violence ie turn a gun in , get money. It hasn't really worked as far as I remember, people that want to commit violence just take the money and get another gun.

It might be a way to help fund "police" that aren't as bad as the rebels that they are fighting, ie gun interdiction efforts, but if they are paying people More for the guns than a new gun would cost, its a bad idea.
Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:13:25
November 27 2011 05:12 GMT
#63
On November 27 2011 14:08 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 14:00 Zvek wrote:
On November 27 2011 13:56 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 13:25 Zvek wrote:
On November 27 2011 13:20 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 13:10 Zvek wrote:
On November 27 2011 13:06 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 12:52 CrazyAsian wrote:
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote:
And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea.


They could sell them for a fortune and not destroy any guns at all, why is that such a bad idea. At least they are trying to make the world a better place, every bit counts. What a terrible post you made.


How does it prevent those guns from simply being replaced? If anything it fosters gunrunning.

Guns are an instrument, not the cause. Even if all guns but one were removed, it would mean the last armed man gets to rule.

Besides I wonder how those are acquiring those weapons, I can't picture militias voluntarily turning in theirs or NGOs raiding arsenals.

Sir, this is such a dark outlook on life, and an outright distrust on humanity. There are good people too you know, and if enough people do good, AK47, and war, will be history.


Uh, sure, but this does no good at all. If I start buying cocaine am I going to curb consumption? No, at best if I buy a lot of it the prices will rise momentarily and stimulate production.

May I remind you that the story specifically says these:
1. Recycle AK47 and sell as high-end jewelry
2. implicitly, it means sell it to high-end market, to Philanthropists and billionaires who can shell out for a cause, with a "token" to show for it.
3. and the money being used in efforts to reduce AK47s further.

So your cocaine example is way off, though it gave me huge lol (I imagine you trying to consume all those cocaine in order to save the youth of South America LOL).


I guess a metaphor was too much, let me simplify.

You acquire guns, sell them (as jewelry) and use the money to acquire more guns. Note the "acquire guns" part. If somehow combatants give them for free (check nra.org and see how much law abiding first world citizens are fond of turning their weapons over) they'll be run over by who doesn't. If they are being paid for, then you're just a second hand customer.

No, I'm quite fine imagining you sniffing your cocaine for a cause thank you very much.


Don't get me wrong, I like very much your initiative to bring some light to the cesspool that General usually is, and the other thread is great, but if you really want to help Africa please request the thread to be closed to not spread this further.

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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 27 2011 05:14 GMT
#64
These look absolutely wicked, id wear if i could afford.
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
November 27 2011 05:17 GMT
#65
This motivates me to tackle the marijuana problem in this country head on by removing it from communities and personally "destroying" it ^^
GettinMyFill
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:19:11
November 27 2011 05:18 GMT
#66
If Ethos or whoever is marketing these actually gave a shit, they wouldn't sell them as 'high-end jewellery', more as something your average normal-income-earning person both can use, wear and afford. More market, more money, more AK-47's they can turn into jewellery.

Instead, he is just making money from moronic upper-class people who want to feel like they are contributing to something. He has to produce less jewellery which means less guns which means more mark-up which means more expensive jewellery and less sold. This shit is like a drop in the ocean and it's the wrong way to go about it.
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
November 27 2011 05:27 GMT
#67
When I throw the clip in my AK i slay from far away, every body hit the D.E.C.K
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
November 27 2011 05:32 GMT
#68
On November 27 2011 14:18 GettinMyFill wrote:
If Ethos or whoever is marketing these actually gave a shit, they wouldn't sell them as 'high-end jewellery', more as something your average normal-income-earning person both can use, wear and afford. More market, more money, more AK-47's they can turn into jewellery.

Instead, he is just making money from moronic upper-class people who want to feel like they are contributing to something. He has to produce less jewellery which means less guns which means more mark-up which means more expensive jewellery and less sold. This shit is like a drop in the ocean and it's the wrong way to go about it.


I thought of this too however, they can only afford so many/ only so many are available so it comes off as more prestigous. But yeah it would be better because more guns destroyed and therefor more profit.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:42:47
November 27 2011 05:32 GMT
#69
On November 27 2011 13:17 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote:
And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea.


A wise man once said: it's the thought that counts

don't be a douche, cool idea for a good cause!

No it's not. It's a terrible thought that demonizes the weapon instead of the people using the weapons for evil. It's like melting down forks to create bicycles to speak out against obesity.

"Not only do we destroy these weapons, but we invert what they stand for by remaking them into wearable art."
What can a machine possibly stand for? It's the person who utilizes that machine who can stand for something.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
November 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#70
On November 27 2011 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote:
What? Melting down rifles to jewelery? How are my marines supposed to defend themselves? Harsh language?



Well you see, words, are like bullets..
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
November 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#71
Everyone arguing about the economic feasibility or whatever of continued production of these is reading way too far into it. Its a cute art project that is mean't to be symbolic...not something bent on making loads of money. And no it is not really going to make a dent in the problem

That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view.
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 06:03:24
November 27 2011 05:44 GMT
#72
On November 27 2011 14:42 sheaRZerg wrote:
Everyone arguing about the economic feasibility or whatever of continued production of these is reading way too far into it. Its a cute art project that is mean't to be symbolic...not something bent on making loads of money. And no it is not really going to make a dent in the problem

That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view.

What about a pumpkin carving tool?

In fact, if the purpose of this thread is to "reminds us why, despite everything, life is still beautiful!", then I think this video does a better job than the OP. Something that can be used to commit terrible acts, being used for safe, light hearted fun without first being destroyed is a beautiful thing.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
November 27 2011 05:47 GMT
#73
The idea that violence should be fought by simply reducing the means to violence is a very misguided, and often dangerous, idea.

Usually such efforts serve to increase and centralize the power of governments, regimes, and gangs over the people, which in despotic regions such as Africa can be an enormous hindrance to future revolutions, such as occurred recently in Libya, and therefore a potential hindrance to progress and human rights.

Violence in modern nations is diminished through law, education, reform, culture. However, if those in power stand in the way of such progress, often force must be met with force. Trying to achieve progress by turning back technology is a naive and simplistic mentality.
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
November 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#74
On November 27 2011 14:42 sheaRZerg wrote:
Everyone arguing about the economic feasibility or whatever of continued production of these is reading way too far into it. Its a cute art project that is mean't to be symbolic...not something bent on making loads of money. And no it is not really going to make a dent in the problem

That being said, I find the choice of the AK-47 interesting. While much of the western world would view the weapon as a symbol of of destruction and turmoil, there is also many people that see it as a symbol of freedom, and the fight against oppression (i.e. guerillas fighting against western imperialism or whatnot)...I dont see this doing much to change the minds of people with this view.


The real danger is that it makes the problem worse.
If they are paying militia members 150 for a weapon that can be acquired on the black market for 100, then they are just funding militia members.

If they are giving militia members 50 for something that can be acquired for 100, or if they are only buying weapons from governments that seized the weapons, then there is some potential benefit. (but it is muted, and they may be funding human abuse government police forces)
OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:49:05
November 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#75
On November 27 2011 13:10 Zvek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 13:06 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 12:52 CrazyAsian wrote:
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote:
And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea.


They could sell them for a fortune and not destroy any guns at all, why is that such a bad idea. At least they are trying to make the world a better place, every bit counts. What a terrible post you made.


How does it prevent those guns from simply being replaced? If anything it fosters gunrunning.

Guns are an instrument, not the cause. Even if all guns but one were removed, it would mean the last armed man gets to rule.

Besides I wonder how those are acquiring those weapons, I can't picture militias voluntarily turning in theirs or NGOs raiding arsenals.

Sir, this is such a dark outlook on life, and an outright distrust on humanity. There are good people too you know, and if enough people do good, AK47, and war, will be history.

I know there are good people and I'm just fine with those people having AK-47s. In fact, I encourage it.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
November 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#76
What is it suppose to be?
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
November 27 2011 05:52 GMT
#77
Looks like a lot of dermatologist are going to get paid for the allergic reaction people will get wearing these.
Meow.
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
November 27 2011 05:53 GMT
#78
On November 27 2011 12:52 CrazyAsian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote:
And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea.


They could sell them for a fortune and not destroy any guns at all, why is that such a bad idea. At least they are trying to make the world a better place, every bit counts. What a terrible post you made.


So if i buy a knife from some thug on the street for $100, sand it down, paint it gold, and sell it for $1 million as jewlery... I'm doing a good thing?

I disagree. They should destroy the guns and make something useful for free. That would be a true act of selflessness. They aren't trying to make the world a better place, they're trying to make money and using a ploy to make it look like they're trying to make the world a better place, and you're falling for it.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:58:32
November 27 2011 05:53 GMT
#79
I would imagine that the steel used in Soviet-era rifles would not be suitable for reforging into jewelry. The most remarkable thing about the concept art in the OP is that it looks like parts of the pieces are slices out of a full metal jacket. It's a recipe for lead poisoning.

They probably use miniscule amounts of the weapon, if they even use a weapon at all because its hard to audit that claim. It's a pretty good deal, they stand to make a ridiculous profit because of the value-added appeal to emotion advertisements like this bring to their product.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 05:58:44
November 27 2011 05:54 GMT
#80
On November 27 2011 14:53 TerlocSG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 12:52 CrazyAsian wrote:
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote:
And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea.


They could sell them for a fortune and not destroy any guns at all, why is that such a bad idea. At least they are trying to make the world a better place, every bit counts. What a terrible post you made.


So if i buy a knife from some thug on the street for $100, sand it down, paint it gold, and sell it for $1 million as jewlery... I'm doing a good thing?

I disagree. They should destroy the guns and make something useful for free. That would be a true act of selflessness. They aren't trying to make the world a better place, they're trying to make money and using a ploy to make it look like they're trying to make the world a better place, and you're falling for it.

Why should they do something that is "a true act of selflessness"? I don't agree with this particular endeavor but do you realize that often, in the process of making money, you are making the world a better place? For example, think of all the lives Steve Jobs enriched while making huge profits.
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