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On November 27 2011 16:42 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 16:34 FallDownMarigold wrote:On November 27 2011 16:30 itsjustatank wrote:On November 27 2011 16:22 FallDownMarigold wrote:P.S. Yes, AK-47s do have serial numbers, at least in some cases. Thus my question is perfectly fine, and you need not attack it simply because you think AK-47s don't have SNs. I literally have no care whatsoever as to whether or not a database exists that validates the SNs on these watches. WTF. I'm simply wondering what the numbers themselves are from. http://www.ak-47.us/AK47_Markings.php[Plenty of examples of internationally-made AK-47s with SNs] Your link shows rifles made in the United States for the domestic market. OP clearly explains that the jewelry maker claims to take them out of conflict areas, presumably outside of the United States. Strangely, not all weapons made in the last hundred years were made in the United States under the requirements of the Gun Control Act. Dude what is your problem? I am not debating with you on Gun Bullshit. I want to know what those nice-looking, wooden, unique number sequences are embedded in the watches. Take your gun history else where, this thread is not the place for it and I'm not interested in it. If you don't think they are serial numbers, why don't you answer the question instead of being such an ass? I thought we were discussing the ability to verify the claims of the makers of this product. For products such as this, which articulate a just cause in order to justify the sales of their products, verifiability is very important. Without the ability to verify their claims, there is a risk that it could simply be a money-making venture clothed in the skin of what can potentially be a good cause. It erodes the credibility of organizations with similar ideas and the movement as a whole.
Well that is actually a much more interesting and useful discussion than I intended to elicit with my question. I simply wanted to know about the artistic qualities of the pieces, without any consideration whatsoever for the story behind them. I saw that they were gun-derived wrist pieces, which intrigued my artistic side. In particular, I noticed the compatibility between the wood and the metal. Upon closer look at the wood, I noticed seemingly random numbers. Assuming that all parts of the watch are derived from gun parts, the most logical possibility is that the numbers are numbers from the AK-47, and not numbers added for no reason (in line with the understanding that watch parts come from gun parts). What are numbers usually called when found on guns? I figured "serial number" worked, so I used that. Do you now understand my interest and my question with regard to these watches? I haven't yet considered anything about the cause, etc. I think they're nice looking, and I'm curious about a particular part on them (the numbers).
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On November 27 2011 16:32 MrStorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 12:46 Vilonis wrote:
I hope that this saves at least one life. Thats all it really takes to be worth it. Wow. Quite aptly said.
Oh my God please just stop. Removing a pile of AK-47s is not going to stop atrocities across the big blue marble. Oh no, we're running low on AK-47s, guess we have to give peace a chance.
Let these business assholes turn their balls into trinkets in a jar and sell those, to help fight the use of rape as a weapon in nations like the Congo and just recently in Libya.
Same logic! And just as meaningless.
I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
"If it could just help save one life..." knowing full well that it does NOT. People will convince themselves on anything as long as it makes them feel less guilty about being so lucky as to not live in a fucked up war-torn nation while the majority of the world suffers.
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Ak47s are cheap as chips. This guy is probably going to make a killing.
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Why remove a valuable tool and replace it with a piece of junk item to be worn on the body that serves no useful purpose?
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On November 27 2011 17:10 stevarius wrote:
Why remove a valuable tool and replace it with a piece of junk item to be worn on the body that serves no useful purpose?
Because guns are emotional objects and it's easy to twist the image of them into evil things that must be destroyed.
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More of a symbolic thing.
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Why wear it around?
Give to give, not to look cool!
It should be ugly.
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You sure as hell gonna wish those AKs back when the zombies are coming.
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On November 27 2011 12:46 Vilonis wrote:
Stylin'
I hope that this saves at least one life. Thats all it really takes to be worth it.
That is well said my friend! 
6000 sounds like a lot of weapons, but there is probably a lot more work to be done. Nice initiative.
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this is fucking stupid, and most likely more a marketing gimmick than it is an attempt to help africans. yeah, so helpful, you buy guns from some warlord for a few dollars and then turn around and sell them to guilty white people for thousands. apparently, charity is a profit-driven industry.
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On November 27 2011 12:56 Xiphos wrote:
Someone explain to me the item in that picture....is it a ring?
It's two pieces that you hook together to form a bracelet, or put on display separately.
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Interesting but doesn't this concept have a fatal flaw? i.e. all its doing is making more demand for AK47's, making them more valuable and giving more money to the arms dealers that provide them?
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What if this would push the price for ak 47s up so that the guerillas and rebells and whatnot wouldn't be able to afford them? I know it won't due to this being too small volumes but for discussion purposes let's pretend it could. Wouldn't that be a good thing? I don't know
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idc if they look ugly....as long as they keep destroying those damn rifles
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This is a sad part in a circle of deceit. I doubt the creator of those jewelrys has bad intentions, neither do most NGOs who collect weapons.
But what it comes down to is unarmed townsfolk getting bullied out of their rights by mercenaries and military troops. And that is not the sad part. The sad part is promoting those disarmament programs as something ending the violence, yet all it does is promote misery even further and making a profit out of it.
Buying jewelry like that or donating to NGOs promoting disarmament of ordinary people will directly lead to their abuse by those who simply don't care or even orchestrate those disarmament programs. The people hungry for power and control will never give up their weapons.
I don't promote giving everyone a weapon, but there are (more and more) regions on this world where you need all the protection you can get. Disarmament programs might work with gangs in cities, but not in areas controlled by militia (no matter what uniform they wear).
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On November 28 2011 00:43 polluxtby wrote:
What if this would push the price for ak 47s up so that the guerillas and rebells and whatnot wouldn't be able to afford them? I know it won't due to this being too small volumes but for discussion purposes let's pretend it could. Wouldn't that be a good thing? I don't know
Not really, more demand == more production. It just means that the people that make and distribute these arms can afford to produce more and further their agendas. The only person that really benefits from this initiative is group responsible for supply, who I would imagine already have enough fingers in every other illegal pie going anyway.
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The whole idea of this just screams hipster to me. I'm already passing judgement on the snobby rich bastards that will buy this stuff as a way to express generosity and care for people who lack deep pockets; whilst still remaining fashionable, and picking up girls because they care.
That said. I absolutely approve of what they're doing here. I like that they're helping the world a better place by getting rid of weapons in third world countries, and its a smart, ecological business model. So, very cool, I hope these AK jewelries become more popular than blood diamonds.
(edit: It's my birthday =D)
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My bracelet has killed hundreds of men, woman and children, been in countless battles and countless hands.
What has yours done?
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Such a waste of a beautiful work of engineering and making it into ugly looking jewelry.
But yeah as said above I doubt it has an intention of directly removing the weapons by making them into jewelry, but more to raise funds and awareness to tack the problem more direct and seriously.
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