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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:48 Blasterion wrote: What is it suppose to be? I think it's spose to be a cuff. I hope this doesn't catch on. Sell extravagant gun jewelery to westerners telling em its for a good cause. But in the end, it just creates more business for gun manufacturers. | ||
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Sokalo
United States375 Posts
On November 27 2011 14:53 TerlocSG wrote: So if i buy a knife from some thug on the street for $100, sand it down, paint it gold, and sell it for $1 million as jewlery... I'm doing a good thing? I disagree. They should destroy the guns and make something useful for free. That would be a true act of selflessness. They aren't trying to make the world a better place, they're trying to make money and using a ploy to make it look like they're trying to make the world a better place, and you're falling for it. I feel TerlocSG nailed it here. On November 27 2011 14:54 OsoVega wrote: Why should they do something that is "a true act of selflessness"? I don't agree with this particular endeavor but do you realize that often, in the process of making money, you are making the world a better place? For example, think of all the lives Steve Jobs enriched while making huge profits. Steve Jobs didn't operate under the guise of philanthropy. What this guy is doing is deceptive. I don't think he's under any moral obligation to commit "a true act of selflessness", but he's trying to use a charitable cause as a marketing ploy. I'd say he's in some...shaky...moral ground. A noble effort to bring some uplifting discussion to general, but I think this story failed the cause. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On November 27 2011 15:14 Sokalo wrote: I feel TerlocSG nailed it here. Steve Jobs didn't operate under the guise of philanthropy. What this guy is doing is deceptive. I don't think he's under any moral obligation to commit "a true act of selflessness", but he's trying to use a charitable cause as a marketing ploy. I'd say he's in some...shaky...moral ground. A noble effort to bring some uplifting discussion to general, but I think this story failed the cause. Fair enough but "Sales of each item, along with donations from individuals and foundations, fund programs to destroy more assault rifles in Africa". I think that those are ridiculous programs to be donating to but as far as I can tell, at least there's no deception. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9169 Posts
On November 27 2011 15:27 FallDownMarigold wrote: Does each watch contain a unique serial number corresponding to a unique rifle? I'm wondering if that's what the number sequences are. Because there is an accurate, complete, and accessible database of all AK-variant weapon serial numbers made both during and after the Soviet era by all client states as well as Russia herself. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
On November 27 2011 12:50 Soap wrote: And how exactly selling them for a fortune hinders their production? What a terrible idea. Ahhh yes. The uplifting, "love, hope, kindness" thread is shit on in a mere 4 posts. Despite the negativity in this thread, we can at least all agree (I hope) that their intentions are in the right place with this idea. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 27 2011 15:55 itsjustatank wrote: Because there is an accurate, complete, and accessible database of all AK-variant weapon serial numbers made both during and after the Soviet era by all client states as well as Russia herself. Don't be an ass hole. The reason I ask is because all weapons are made with a unique serial number. This number is engrained into the weapon. Think before you speak, it avoids letting yourself look incredibly stupid. The fact that you mention the unlikelihood of a "database" just proves how confused you are. Database? WTF? Here's what you'd do: You collect your AK47s. Chop off the serial number chips. Include them in the watches. Now, my question was whether or not they included the original serial numbers, or if those number sequences on each watch are something fake/different. The reason for the question is because I am curious how "legit" and "nice" these watches are, and that is obviously a factor. | ||
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9169 Posts
On November 27 2011 16:13 FallDownMarigold wrote: Don't be an ass hole. The reason I ask is because all weapons are made with a unique serial number. This number is engrained into the weapon. Think before you speak, it avoids letting yourself look incredibly stupid. 'Engrained into the weapon?' Something makes me think you have no idea about how weapons are made. To be very specific, the AK-variants are notoriously hard to identify. A multitude of factories in the Soviet Union and the client states produced these weapons at the lowest possible costs; the objective was to make as much of them as possible to send to the client states to bolster their fight against the imperialist powers. This is ignoring the fact that many states, as well as non-state actors, got their hands on the plans and specifications for these rifles and made them independently. There exists no "accurate, complete, and accessible database of all AK-variant weapon serial numbers made both during and after the Soviet era by all client states as well as Russia herself." The only one potentially looking incredibly stupid here is you for overreacting to fact and responding with ad hom. Edit: I'll respond to the second part of your post because I guess you are frenetically trying to make a better argument. On November 27 2011 15:27 FallDownMarigold wrote: The fact that you mention the unlikelihood of a "database" just proves how confused you are. Database? WTF? Here's what you'd do: You collect your AK47s. Chop off the serial number chips. Include them in the watches. Now, my question was whether or not they included the original serial numbers, or if those number sequences on each watch are something fake/different. The reason for the question is because I am curious how "legit" and "nice" these watches are, and that is obviously a factor. Because there is no database, the manufacturers of these jewelry pieces cannot be held accountable as to whether or not their claims are legitimate. To satisfy your 'provide me with a serial number' condition, I'd just make one up. How can you verify if its real? You can't. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
P.S. Yes, AK-47s do have serial numbers, at least in some cases. Thus my question is perfectly fine, and you need not attack it simply because you think AK-47s don't have SNs. I literally have no care whatsoever as to whether or not a database exists that validates the SNs on these watches. WTF. I'm simply wondering what the numbers themselves are from. http://www.ak-47.us/AK47_Markings.php [Plenty of examples of internationally-made AK-47s with SNs] | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
Give them to me instead, I'll keep them far away from Africa, and they can be my babies. :3 I want to give my Mosin a more modern cousin to hang out with. | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9169 Posts
On November 27 2011 16:22 FallDownMarigold wrote: P.S. Yes, AK-47s do have serial numbers, at least in some cases. Thus my question is perfectly fine, and you need not attack it simply because you think AK-47s don't have SNs. I literally have no care whatsoever as to whether or not a database exists that validates the SNs on these watches. WTF. I'm simply wondering what the numbers themselves are from. http://www.ak-47.us/AK47_Markings.php [Plenty of examples of internationally-made AK-47s with SNs] Your link shows rifles made in the United States for the domestic market. OP clearly explains that the jewelry maker claims to take them out of conflict areas, presumably outside of the United States. Strangely, not all weapons made in the last hundred years were made in the United States under the requirements of the Gun Control Act. | ||
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MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
On November 27 2011 12:46 Vilonis wrote: I hope that this saves at least one life. Thats all it really takes to be worth it. Wow. Quite aptly said. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 27 2011 16:30 itsjustatank wrote: Your link shows rifles made in the United States for the domestic market. OP clearly explains that the jewelry maker claims to take them out of conflict areas, presumably outside of the United States. Strangely, not all weapons made in the last hundred years were made in the United States under the requirements of the Gun Control Act. Dude what is your problem? I am not debating with you on Gun Bullshit. I want to know what those nice-looking, wooden, unique number sequences are embedded in the watches. Take your gun history else where, this thread is not the place for it and I'm not interested in it. If you don't think they are serial numbers, why don't you answer the question instead of being such an ass? | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On November 27 2011 16:16 MenSol[ZerO] wrote: it may not be the answer but at least they are doing something They're doing something, worsening the situation. The only people that are being helped are themselves and the gun makers. As for the people the program was meant to help? Now they'll have an economy based around guns. Which means more guns. | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9169 Posts
On November 27 2011 16:34 FallDownMarigold wrote: Dude what is your problem? I am not debating with you on Gun Bullshit. I want to know what those nice-looking, wooden, unique number sequences are embedded in the watches. Take your gun history else where, this thread is not the place for it and I'm not interested in it. If you don't think they are serial numbers, why don't you answer the question instead of being such an ass? I thought we were discussing the ability to verify the claims of the makers of this product. For products such as this, which articulate a just cause in order to justify the sales of their products, verifiability is very important. Without the ability to verify their claims, there is a risk that it could simply be a money-making venture clothed in the skin of what can potentially be a good cause. It erodes the credibility of organizations with similar ideas and the movement as a whole. | ||
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
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