EPTSTOP "PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261)" - Page 4
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keiraknightlee
United States301 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
This is getting sensationalized and blown out of proportion | ||
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Nosajii
United States4 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:51 unichan wrote: A bill like this would never pass lol This is getting sensationalized and blown out of proportion I hope you're right  | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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FaiL_SaFe
United States104 Posts
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/193657-tech-companies-urge-lawmakers-to-scrap-copyright-enforcement-bills | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
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henkel
Netherlands146 Posts
just to make sure i get this, in theory I, as dutch non artist Internet user could for example place links on forums owned by, let's say warner bros, to movies owned by some other company and then make them take the site down?! or is it just a select few that can force those sites to go down. whats next going to prison for spoiling the ending of sopranos, because of lost revenue for those people not watching the last eps | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:08 henkel wrote: or is it just a select few that can force those sites to go down. The law's text won't say that but it will work like that. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
The sheer amount of hypocrisy this would cause, along with massive complaint in addition to the actual problems we should be dealing with (hai debt) would make the government look utterly foolish. This would crush SO many US sites, while so many of you guys are arguing that it's a ploy for money, don't you also realize that equally vast amounts of money would be lost with the amount of sites that would be impacted by this? Come on now guys, take deep breaths. It's not getting passed. | ||
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CaptainHaz
United States240 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:12 Flonomenalz wrote: Look, I understand the seriousness of it and all, but (no offense to our Chinese posters) this isn't China. The sheer amount of hypocrisy this would cause, along with massive complaint in addition to the actual problems we should be dealing with (hai debt) would make the government look utterly foolish. This would crush SO many US sites, while so many of you guys are arguing that it's a ploy for money, don't you also realize that equally vast amounts of money would be lost with the amount of sites that would be impacted by this? Come on now guys, take deep breaths. It's not getting passed. It has gotten fairly far, which is kind of the concern. While ultimately it may be vetoed, there is no reason to prevent action on the chance that it can. It makes more sense to stop it before it gets to the last possible position that it can be eliminated. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:14 CaptainHaz wrote: It has gotten fairly far, which is kind of the concern. While ultimately it may be vetoed, there is no reason to prevent action on the chance that it can. It makes more sense to stop it before it gets to the last possible position that it can be eliminated. No matter what happens, and as slim as the chances may be in the end, isn't it still right to talk about it? That's not hurting anyone. Take everything with a grain of salt, yes, but that goes both ways. Even though I'm not in the line of fire as american internet users would be, it still is an idea of shit-storm-epic proportions that can and should be discussed. Anti-internet piracy still has a lot of question marks that run deep. Anyway...I can see the likes of Anon spreading these "illegal links" over every goverment (-related) page they find when this passes ;D | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:14 CaptainHaz wrote: It has gotten fairly far, which is kind of the concern. While ultimately it may be vetoed, there is no reason to prevent action on the chance that it can. It makes more sense to stop it before it gets to the last possible position that it can be eliminated. I get the concern, I just hate seeing things blown out of proportion. Many retarded laws have gotten this far that many people don't know about. Still, take the 2-3 mins (I did) to e-mail your local or state reps, because this bill cannot pass. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:24 Flonomenalz wrote: I get the concern, I just hate seeing things blown out of proportion. Many retarded laws have gotten this far that many people don't know about. Still, take the 2-3 mins (I did) to e-mail your local or state reps, because this bill cannot pass. Yea, everyone needs to be concerned about this. It's not just affecting the US, this will affect the entire world. There are provisions in the bill the allow OUR government to completely block sites based anywhere in the world, with no legal process. Without going into any details, basically it allows our government the authority to control the entire content of the internet with site owners being powerless to defend themselves. It completely strips away any legal protections of free speech on the internet, and removes due process. Its an abomination. Also, you NEEED to do your part to make sure your representatives know what this bill is. Cuz some of them have no freakin clue what theyre voting on (might not be news heh) http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/12371715059/rep-anna-eshoo-silicon-valley-thinks-protect-ip-is-about-immigration.shtml | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
IF the bill went through, isn't it totally possible for the major companies to basically pack up and move to a country where this isn't an issue for them? Yeah it would cost a fair bit, and is not ideal, BUT at least they could operate as they want to | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:33 Hassybaby wrote: My major question is, and bear in mind I'm speaking hypothetically here IF the bill went through, isn't it totally possible for the major companies to basically pack up and move to a country where this isn't an issue for them? Yeah it would cost a fair bit, and is not ideal, BUT at least they could operate as they want to No, this bill grants control to the US government to affect the worldwide infrastructure of the internet. It's designed to "[enhance] enforcement against rogue websites operated and registered overseas". | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:50 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote: You can not be serious. This can never happen, it would completly shutdown every forum based website there is! The pint is that they wont be ... but it gives free reign for government to do what it likes ... so this is a bill that will pass. The uk has a similar one in the pipelines. It only gives worldwide authority in the countries that like to suck the usa's member. The US cant tell antoher country what to do unless they ahve a legal agreement with that country in place ... they can talk and reach an agreement ... but its not ordering. The problem with packing up and moving is that if you want to do business in a country you have to be registered and go through legal hoops. So packing up and moving for most companies is not possible as they will be location dependant in some way. | ||
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biomech
Germany380 Posts
2) censor the internet good job, America! How pleasing europe has neither "a hollywood", but also more serious stuff to take care off. I'm happy not to be threatened living in a new-age North Korea. | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
It was cute seeing the US government still trying to fight that hopeless, immoral War on Drugs though, A for effort guys | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:35 driftme wrote: No, this bill grants control to the US government to affect the worldwide infrastructure of the internet. It's designed to "[enhance] enforcement against rogue websites operated and registered overseas". How is that even possible? It can't possibly be made legal to give one country worldwide censorship... | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:37 biomech wrote: How to develop a stalinoid state/government: 2) censor the internet good job, America! How pleasing europe has neither "a hollywood", but also more serious stuff to take care off. I'm happy not to be threatened living in a new-age North Korea. You forgot include a form of teaching that uses authoritive texts as a form of knowledge. you dont want to teach them how to think for crying out loud then all that hard work burning the books would of gone to waste. | ||
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