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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
January 21 2012 04:46 GMT
#1881
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law


Spanish

SOPA= Soup
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Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
January 21 2012 06:08 GMT
#1882
Fact: Traditional media companies make more money per broadcast (tv/radio/media sales) than Internet media.

This means a couple of million per lobby group per senator per country would barely scratch their pocket book.
They can play this game with the world all effing day.
Cauterize the area
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 21 2012 07:47 GMT
#1883
I like how the ESA claims that it is no longer supporting SOPA or PIPA after SOPA has already been pulled. xD Such a joke, hope people still boycott E3 and all that other crap. E3 has been dumb for years now anyway.

Also what is the internet going to do if all the SOPA crap is just thrown into that anti-child porn thing? Doesn't seem like there would be any possible way to stop such a bill, no matter what bullshit is inside.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 09:52:02
January 21 2012 09:51 GMT
#1884
On January 21 2012 16:47 Hall0wed wrote:
I like how the ESA claims that it is no longer supporting SOPA or PIPA after SOPA has already been pulled. xD Such a joke, hope people still boycott E3 and all that other crap. E3 has been dumb for years now anyway.

Also what is the internet going to do if all the SOPA crap is just thrown into that anti-child porn thing? Doesn't seem like there would be any possible way to stop such a bill, no matter what bullshit is inside.


You will never be able to stop that. I think you could have it contain concentration camps and gas chambers, as long as it says "Against child porn" on the cover, it will pass.

Does someone have good information on that Acta thing? It sounds like a very shady thing with no democratic legitimacy that apparently could still become law-ish, and that does not sound good at all in my opinion.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 10:04:39
January 21 2012 10:00 GMT
#1885
On January 21 2012 18:51 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 16:47 Hall0wed wrote:
I like how the ESA claims that it is no longer supporting SOPA or PIPA after SOPA has already been pulled. xD Such a joke, hope people still boycott E3 and all that other crap. E3 has been dumb for years now anyway.

Also what is the internet going to do if all the SOPA crap is just thrown into that anti-child porn thing? Doesn't seem like there would be any possible way to stop such a bill, no matter what bullshit is inside.


You will never be able to stop that. I think you could have it contain concentration camps and gas chambers, as long as it says "Against child porn" on the cover, it will pass.

Does someone have good information on that Acta thing? It sounds like a very shady thing with no democratic legitimacy that apparently could still become law-ish, and that does not sound good at all in my opinion.


It is mostly already part of the european laws. Only a small part can be introduced to the laws. However the way it was negotiated is very shady:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

More specifically:
...Since ACTA is an international treaty, it is an example of policy laundering used to establish and implement legal changes. Policy laundering allows legal provisions to be pushed through via closed negotiations among private members of the executive bodies of the signatories. This method avoids use of public legislation and its judiciary oversight. Once ratified, companies belonging to non-members may be forced to follow the ACTA requirements since they will otherwise fall out of the safe harbor protections. Also, the use of trade incentives and the like to persuade other nations to adopt treaties is a standard approach in international relationships. Additional signatories would have to accept ACTA's terms without much scope for negotiation.

From 16–18 June 2010, a conference was held at the Washington College of Law, attended by "over 90 academics, practitioners and public interest organizations from six continents".[64] Their conclusions were published on 23 June 2010 on the American University Washington College of Law website. They found "that the terms of the publicly released draft of ACTA threaten numerous public interests, including every concern specifically disclaimed by negotiators." A group of 75+ law professors has signed a letter to President Obama demanding a host of changes to the agreement. The letter alleges that no meaningful transparency has been in evidence...
Repeat before me
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
January 21 2012 11:43 GMT
#1886
Victory =D
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
January 21 2012 11:47 GMT
#1887
On January 21 2012 20:43 Arcanefrost wrote:
Victory =D


No.... look at the new acts being rushed through. You stopped the cub... momma bear is angry.
For the swarm
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
January 21 2012 11:50 GMT
#1888
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law


There's also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPRED

Which is way worse in real terms.
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#1889
On January 21 2012 09:59 achristes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

Are you serious?
How the f*** did this pass when it is clearly an invasion of private life?

And WTF is up with the world going all; Hmm, people are pirating, BETTER CENSOR EVERY SITE THAT HAS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL IN IT!

I can't wait for the next generation to "rise to power" over these "old-fashioned" people that don't have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to internet and stuff like that.
(Technocracy anyone?)


Sweden is going down, it's only a matter of time.
I'm trying to escape to Norway, looking for work there atm, hopefully I'll get my hands on a norwegian citizenship or whatever you call it

It's a matter of stuff piling up, it's not just because of some stupid law I'm trying to gtfo.

You need 15 years of work experience and university level education just to flip hamburgers at McDonalds nowadays.
Just a few weeks ago I started looking for work in Norway and I was shocked at what I saw, you guys are actually realistic about what you need to know to apply for a job.

Norway <3
Liquor saved me from sports.
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 15:23:03
January 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#1890
On January 21 2012 20:50 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law


There's also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPRED

Which is way worse in real terms.


Yeah, true that, forgot about it.

I kinda lost hope and stopped caring when those laws passed.
I don't really keep track of the news any more, it's all bs anyway.
My sister is pretty active in politic discussions and such and she told me Sweden is ranked like 20th in the world.
In government corruption. No reliable source on that though, could be complete bs aswell.
Liquor saved me from sports.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
January 21 2012 15:25 GMT
#1891
On January 21 2012 18:51 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 16:47 Hall0wed wrote:
I like how the ESA claims that it is no longer supporting SOPA or PIPA after SOPA has already been pulled. xD Such a joke, hope people still boycott E3 and all that other crap. E3 has been dumb for years now anyway.

Also what is the internet going to do if all the SOPA crap is just thrown into that anti-child porn thing? Doesn't seem like there would be any possible way to stop such a bill, no matter what bullshit is inside.


You will never be able to stop that. I think you could have it contain concentration camps and gas chambers, as long as it says "Against child porn" on the cover, it will pass.

Does someone have good information on that Acta thing? It sounds like a very shady thing with no democratic legitimacy that apparently could still become law-ish, and that does not sound good at all in my opinion.


It's this kind of crap that makes me feel like we may very well be living in a reincarnation of East Germany in 10-15 years.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 21 2012 15:29 GMT
#1892
All this shit is pissing me off.
SOPA was stopped, but now we have PIPA, GOGA, IPRED, ICUP, FKINGURMOM, and EATPISS coming in.
When will the government learn? If any of these bills pass, the country will become very, very dangerous.
A) Anonymous will fuck the nation over if it passes
B) Protests will go all over the country
C) Brawls and riots will happen
D) The truth about this country will be realized by ALL. The truth is that we are NOT in a free country, so now all the middle aged people who grew up believing its a free country will realize that its not.
The thing that REALLY pissess me off is how innocent the media is making this sound. I tuned into 7News the other day to find them saying
"The SOPA bill will prevent piracy and stealing, nothing more."
Okay, what the fuck. The media is obviously a tangent, or a puppet, of the government. They make everything sound good so the government gets what they want.
Fucking bullshit, I really hope America fixes our shit, because it pisses me off. And im not the only one pissed off by this either. There are MILLIONS of people who are clearly protesting these types of bills, but the government persists anyways.

Whatever, this country is going to rot in 20 years.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
January 21 2012 16:07 GMT
#1893
On January 22 2012 00:29 Lebzetu wrote:
All this shit is pissing me off.
SOPA was stopped, but now we have PIPA, GOGA, IPRED, ICUP, FKINGURMOM, and EATPISS coming in.
When will the government learn? If any of these bills pass, the country will become very, very dangerous.
A) Anonymous will fuck the nation over if it passes
B) Protests will go all over the country
C) Brawls and riots will happen
D) The truth about this country will be realized by ALL. The truth is that we are NOT in a free country, so now all the middle aged people who grew up believing its a free country will realize that its not.
The thing that REALLY pissess me off is how innocent the media is making this sound. I tuned into 7News the other day to find them saying
"The SOPA bill will prevent piracy and stealing, nothing more."
Okay, what the fuck. The media is obviously a tangent, or a puppet, of the government. They make everything sound good so the government gets what they want.
Fucking bullshit, I really hope America fixes our shit, because it pisses me off. And im not the only one pissed off by this either. There are MILLIONS of people who are clearly protesting these types of bills, but the government persists anyways.

Whatever, this country is going to rot in 20 years.

I must say I agree with you on most of it, but it's not only USA you know. Asia and EU be going at it as well with ACTA.
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
January 21 2012 16:21 GMT
#1894
On January 22 2012 00:20 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 09:59 achristes wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

Are you serious?
How the f*** did this pass when it is clearly an invasion of private life?

And WTF is up with the world going all; Hmm, people are pirating, BETTER CENSOR EVERY SITE THAT HAS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL IN IT!

I can't wait for the next generation to "rise to power" over these "old-fashioned" people that don't have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to internet and stuff like that.


(Technocracy anyone?)


Sweden is going down, it's only a matter of time.
I'm trying to escape to Norway, looking for work there atm, hopefully I'll get my hands on a norwegian citizenship or whatever you call it

It's a matter of stuff piling up, it's not just because of some stupid law I'm trying to gtfo.

You need 15 years of work experience and university level education just to flip hamburgers at McDonalds nowadays.
Just a few weeks ago I started looking for work in Norway and I was shocked at what I saw, you guys are actually realistic about what you need to know to apply for a job.

Norway <3

Why thank you sir

Norways politicians are stupid, but not as stupid as "certain other countries", but they do an ok job of running the country I guess. (Exept they won't fix the damn roads, goddamnit!)

And if you don't want to pay 5million kroner for a small apartment, you better not go to Oslo, that place is expensive as shit.
youtube.com/spooderm4n | twitch.tv/spooderm4n | Random videos and games I feel like uploading
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
January 21 2012 16:27 GMT
#1895
On January 22 2012 01:21 achristes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:20 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 09:59 achristes wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

Are you serious?
How the f*** did this pass when it is clearly an invasion of private life?

And WTF is up with the world going all; Hmm, people are pirating, BETTER CENSOR EVERY SITE THAT HAS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL IN IT!

I can't wait for the next generation to "rise to power" over these "old-fashioned" people that don't have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to internet and stuff like that.


(Technocracy anyone?)


Sweden is going down, it's only a matter of time.
I'm trying to escape to Norway, looking for work there atm, hopefully I'll get my hands on a norwegian citizenship or whatever you call it

It's a matter of stuff piling up, it's not just because of some stupid law I'm trying to gtfo.

You need 15 years of work experience and university level education just to flip hamburgers at McDonalds nowadays.
Just a few weeks ago I started looking for work in Norway and I was shocked at what I saw, you guys are actually realistic about what you need to know to apply for a job.

Norway <3

Why thank you sir

Norways politicians are stupid, but not as stupid as "certain other countries", but they do an ok job of running the country I guess. (Exept they won't fix the damn roads, goddamnit!)

And if you don't want to pay 5million kroner for a small apartment, you better not go to Oslo, that place is expensive as shit.


Haha, yeah, grass isn't always greener.
Just looking for one of those typical jobs we sweds get over there, you know where we go and do the stuff no norwegian would dream of doing, gut fish for 12 hours a day for 3 months straight for example it's awesome pay for someone in my situation, but it's hard labour.

Still worth it.
Liquor saved me from sports.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
January 21 2012 16:40 GMT
#1896
On January 22 2012 01:27 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 01:21 achristes wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:20 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 09:59 achristes wrote:
On January 21 2012 08:24 OFCORPSE wrote:
On January 21 2012 07:44 Zeetox wrote:
Congratz america. But Europe and Asia have now even bigger problem. On 26th of this month in Tokyo, almost all of the European countries (except Poland and Czech Republic probably) together with Japan and China will sign ACTA which is literally the same act as SOPA.


Indeed.
Also, as a swede, I find the names funny.
ACTA(akta) = beware
SOPA = trash

Coincidence? I think not.

Also, Sweden already lost the battle, pretty much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

Are you serious?
How the f*** did this pass when it is clearly an invasion of private life?

And WTF is up with the world going all; Hmm, people are pirating, BETTER CENSOR EVERY SITE THAT HAS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL IN IT!

I can't wait for the next generation to "rise to power" over these "old-fashioned" people that don't have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to internet and stuff like that.


(Technocracy anyone?)


Sweden is going down, it's only a matter of time.
I'm trying to escape to Norway, looking for work there atm, hopefully I'll get my hands on a norwegian citizenship or whatever you call it

It's a matter of stuff piling up, it's not just because of some stupid law I'm trying to gtfo.

You need 15 years of work experience and university level education just to flip hamburgers at McDonalds nowadays.
Just a few weeks ago I started looking for work in Norway and I was shocked at what I saw, you guys are actually realistic about what you need to know to apply for a job.

Norway <3

Why thank you sir

Norways politicians are stupid, but not as stupid as "certain other countries", but they do an ok job of running the country I guess. (Exept they won't fix the damn roads, goddamnit!)

And if you don't want to pay 5million kroner for a small apartment, you better not go to Oslo, that place is expensive as shit.


Haha, yeah, grass isn't always greener.
Just looking for one of those typical jobs we sweds get over there, you know where we go and do the stuff no norwegian would dream of doing, gut fish for 12 hours a day for 3 months straight for example it's awesome pay for someone in my situation, but it's hard labour.

Still worth it.

You want to do that? Jeez...

I'm not finished with school yet, but I probably won't be for another couple of years either, civilengineer in Nanotechnology is my dream job, but DAMN, you need superb grades for that. Almost all 6 (1=lowest, 6=highest), and even if you get all 6, you still need extra study points to get into nanotech...

(or maybe technical cybernetics, that sounds pretty sweet as well )

Good luck though
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Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
January 22 2012 01:20 GMT
#1897
Ugh it just doesn't fucking stop.
http://rt.com/usa/news/senate-illegal-internet-streaming-felony/
mgl0x9
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States256 Posts
January 22 2012 01:35 GMT
#1898
It is a matter of time before some kind of internet censorship or internet privacy law gets passed .... Oh Well....

I laugh at people who still think this country is free and is not a police state oh well...
Zerg Ownz your face off
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 22 2012 01:40 GMT
#1899
On January 22 2012 00:29 Lebzetu wrote:
All this shit is pissing me off.
SOPA was stopped, but now we have PIPA, GOGA, IPRED, ICUP, FKINGURMOM, and EATPISS coming in.
When will the government learn? If any of these bills pass, the country will become very, very dangerous.
A) Anonymous will fuck the nation over if it passes
B) Protests will go all over the country
C) Brawls and riots will happen
D) The truth about this country will be realized by ALL. The truth is that we are NOT in a free country, so now all the middle aged people who grew up believing its a free country will realize that its not.
The thing that REALLY pissess me off is how innocent the media is making this sound. I tuned into 7News the other day to find them saying
"The SOPA bill will prevent piracy and stealing, nothing more."
Okay, what the fuck. The media is obviously a tangent, or a puppet, of the government. They make everything sound good so the government gets what they want.
Fucking bullshit, I really hope America fixes our shit, because it pisses me off. And im not the only one pissed off by this either. There are MILLIONS of people who are clearly protesting these types of bills, but the government persists anyways.

Whatever, this country is going to rot in 20 years.

You realize how many people DON'T care about this stuff? A lot of people are perfectly content with their Twitter, Facebook, and Wikipedia. That IS the internet to them. They don't see the underworld where that stuff is propped up and constantly fed content. If the bottom is swept out from under them, they wouldn't even feel it immediately. At best, we could hope that the gradual decay of user-created/modified content would be noticed.

And about Anon. They are nothing. They can be equated to a loose gang that goes around spraypainting corporate and government buildings.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
January 22 2012 03:18 GMT
#1900
Man, ACTA sounds super shady and it looks like a international version of SOPA/PIPA.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
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