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PaRaBoWL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States74 Posts
January 22 2012 07:20 GMT
#1901
So apparently instead of creating a new bill they just will amend the current law so that streaming will become a felony... punishable by fines and jail time LOL
http://rt.com/usa/news/senate-illegal-internet-streaming-felony/
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
January 22 2012 07:34 GMT
#1902
don't forget the children porn act... that records everything you do on the net for 18months.... and can have that information accessed without a warrent or due process.
For the swarm
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 22 2012 08:07 GMT
#1903
SOPA and PIPA simply evolved into ACTA.

ACTA is actually much worst than SOPA but for some reason it seems to be getting a lot less attention.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 22 2012 08:09 GMT
#1904
On January 22 2012 12:18 NEOtheONE wrote:
Man, ACTA sounds super shady and it looks like a international version of SOPA/PIPA.

It's basically that plus Big Brother, AFAIK.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Aic
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden62 Posts
January 22 2012 11:16 GMT
#1905
On January 22 2012 17:09 Gary Oak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 12:18 NEOtheONE wrote:
Man, ACTA sounds super shady and it looks like a international version of SOPA/PIPA.

It's basically that plus Big Brother, AFAIK.


US has already signed ACTA, so has the EU high counsil. Getting it through the EU parliment will be a bit harder. Especially since there is starting to be a bit controverse regarding the shady way the treaty have been handeld so far.
Arlenius
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom49 Posts
January 22 2012 11:29 GMT
#1906
For those who don't know too much about the whole issue and would like someone to explain it (as I needed):

http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html
Tell the other bears what you saw
danielrosca
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania123 Posts
January 22 2012 11:49 GMT
#1907
On January 22 2012 20:29 Arlenius wrote:
For those who don't know too much about the whole issue and would like someone to explain it (as I needed):

http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html

For the love of God, please avoid cheap manipulation as this.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 11:53:02
January 22 2012 11:50 GMT
#1908
On January 22 2012 10:20 Phenny wrote:
Ugh it just doesn't fucking stop.
http://rt.com/usa/news/senate-illegal-internet-streaming-felony/
Doesn't this mean streaming SC2 any games is dead unless you get a license from Blizzard the relevant company?

I picture the American politics as a place where fat, rich, conservative men sit on their ass while getting their pockets lined with gold by media corporations. Is this view correct? Surely most people in the US are not rich, why do they vote for these people?
danielrosca
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 12:33:02
January 22 2012 12:32 GMT
#1909
What amuses me is this law exists for quite some time and nobody was bothered by it. Now it's updated on punishments only while the premise remains unchanged, and internets go crazy once again.

Spoonfeeding you the law paragraphs you should read before jumping on the STOP SOPA POPA LOPA bandwagon would be a mistake, hopefully you and others realize it's time to put some effort into educating yourselves instead of being brainwashed by doomsday preachers on various sites.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:28:30
January 22 2012 14:22 GMT
#1910
On January 22 2012 21:32 danielrosca wrote:
What amuses me is this law exists for quite some time and nobody was bothered by it. Now it's updated on punishments only while the premise remains unchanged, and internets go crazy once again.

Spoonfeeding you the law paragraphs you should read before jumping on the STOP SOPA POPA LOPA bandwagon would be a mistake, hopefully you and others realize it's time to put some effort into educating yourselves instead of being brainwashed by doomsday preachers on various sites.

aww did you just call the entire silicon valley doomsday preachers ? cute. you sir are the one who needs to get a clue.

No laws enabled a corporate censorship of the internet ala Great firewall of China.

go away MPAA grunt.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
January 22 2012 14:25 GMT
#1911
The public has started a petition asking the White House to investigate comments made by MPAA CEO Chris Dodd a few days ago on Fox News. Closing a tumultuous week of wide protest against PIPA and SOPA – two MPAA backed anti-piracy bills – Dodd threatened to stop the cash-flow to politicians who dare to take a stand against pro-Hollywood legislation. Clear bribery, the petition claims, and already thousands agree.


http://torrentfreak.com/while-house-petitioned-to-investigate-mpaa-bribery-120122/

I hope he goes to jail. Even tho i know the law doesn't apply to the 1%
danielrosca
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 14:49:35
January 22 2012 14:48 GMT
#1912
On January 22 2012 23:22 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 21:32 danielrosca wrote:
What amuses me is this law exists for quite some time and nobody was bothered by it. Now it's updated on punishments only while the premise remains unchanged, and internets go crazy once again.

Spoonfeeding you the law paragraphs you should read before jumping on the STOP SOPA POPA LOPA bandwagon would be a mistake, hopefully you and others realize it's time to put some effort into educating yourselves instead of being brainwashed by doomsday preachers on various sites.

No laws enabled a corporate censorship of the internet ala Great firewall of China.

yep, The end is near
ryan__h
Profile Joined February 2011
United States42 Posts
January 22 2012 15:12 GMT
#1913
On January 22 2012 23:25 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
The public has started a petition asking the White House to investigate comments made by MPAA CEO Chris Dodd a few days ago on Fox News. Closing a tumultuous week of wide protest against PIPA and SOPA – two MPAA backed anti-piracy bills – Dodd threatened to stop the cash-flow to politicians who dare to take a stand against pro-Hollywood legislation. Clear bribery, the petition claims, and already thousands agree.


http://torrentfreak.com/while-house-petitioned-to-investigate-mpaa-bribery-120122/

I hope he goes to jail. Even tho i know the law doesn't apply to the 1%


link to the petition: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv#
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
January 22 2012 16:49 GMT
#1914
On January 22 2012 23:25 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
The public has started a petition asking the White House to investigate comments made by MPAA CEO Chris Dodd a few days ago on Fox News. Closing a tumultuous week of wide protest against PIPA and SOPA – two MPAA backed anti-piracy bills – Dodd threatened to stop the cash-flow to politicians who dare to take a stand against pro-Hollywood legislation. Clear bribery, the petition claims, and already thousands agree.


http://torrentfreak.com/while-house-petitioned-to-investigate-mpaa-bribery-120122/

I hope he goes to jail. Even tho i know the law doesn't apply to the 1%
What the hell? That's just unbelievable. It's happening in clear daylight?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
January 22 2012 17:14 GMT
#1915
Ok, since the americans apparently have won one of their battles now, lets talk about that ACTA a bit more.

If i understand correctly, it still needs to pass the EU parliament, and/or maybe national parliaments, if someone knows more about that, please explain. So, has someone enough knowledge about the political process as to what one can do to stop that?

Also, for the americans, if i understand correctly, the USA already signed the ACTA treaty, so doesn't that mean that you basically get SOPA even though you stopped it in your parliament?
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 18:49:01
January 22 2012 18:17 GMT
#1916
On January 23 2012 02:14 Simberto wrote:
Ok, since the americans apparently have won one of their battles now, lets talk about that ACTA a bit more.

If i understand correctly, it still needs to pass the EU parliament, and/or maybe national parliaments, if someone knows more about that, please explain. So, has someone enough knowledge about the political process as to what one can do to stop that?

Also, for the americans, if i understand correctly, the USA already signed the ACTA treaty, so doesn't that mean that you basically get SOPA even though you stopped it in your parliament?


If I'm understand right ACTA will be put under the consent procedure because it is an international agreement meaning the normal parliamentary mechanisms of amendment modification are now restricted, so the Parliament must either reject or accept the proposal. However the Parliament has yet to agree on undergoing consent procedure as it wants more time to study or view records.

As far as ACTA in the U.S., it's not really an appropriate SOPA substitute because it provides a broad international mandate for the executive branch but has no authority through Congress or really legally domestically in alot of areas, so ACTA isn't enough.
Aic
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden62 Posts
January 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#1917
Now if you want to do something about ACTA and happen to be in the EU, tomorrow, Tuesday 24 January 2012, around 16.30 Paris time, the European Parliament Committee on Development will hold an exchange of views on ACTA.
So now might be good time to contact your various MEP's and let them know what you think about ACTA.

Below are some useful links with more information about the treaty and about how to get in contact with our representatives.

http://acta.ffii.org/
http://www.edri.org/stopacta
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
January 24 2012 04:31 GMT
#1918
I contacted my local congressman and expressed my concerns with SOPA. I thought I would share his response here:

Dear Mr. Jones:

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter.

As you may know, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R- Texas) introduced H.R. 3261 on October 26, 2011. A summary of the bill states it would prevent the online selling of counterfeit goods in the U.S. and expand international protections for intellectual property by removing "rogue" websites containing copyright-infringing material from the internet. H.R. 3261 has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee for further consideration.

Over the past months, many constituents have expressed to me their concerns with SOPA, and I too share many of those same concerns. For these reasons, I am opposed to SOPA as it is currently written.

You may be interested to know that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor recently stated that there are major issues regarding SOPA that need to be addressed before the legislation can proceed. As a result, Chairman Smith announced that the Judiciary Committee will postpone consideration of SOPA until there is a consensus on a resolution. Furthermore, Chairman Smith stated he will bring together stakeholders from various groups to discuss solutions with respect to online piracy. It is my hope that these discussions will produce legislation that all stakeholders can agree upon. Online piracy is a serious threat, but it is important that this legislation adequately addresses that threat in a way that does not harm the internet or freedom of speech.

The discussions regarding SOPA are not over and you can be assured that I will continue to monitor any developments that occur. While I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over H.R. 3261, you may be certain that I will keep your concerns and views in mind as this bill is being considered.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. I appreciate having the opportunity to represent you in the U.S. House of Representatives. Please feel free to visit my website (www.house.gov/burgess) or contact me with any future concerns.

Sincerely,

Michael C. Burgess, M.D.
Member of Congress
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Zaranth
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States345 Posts
January 24 2012 18:11 GMT
#1919
I just received a reply from my representative about SOPA and thought I would share!

Thank you for contacting me about H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). Freedom of speech and consumer protection are important to me, and I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.



As you know, SOPA aims to combat online piracy by authorizing the Attorney General to seek court orders against foreign infringing sites that are committing or facilitating trademark and copyright infringement. While I do believe that internet piracy is an issue that should be addressed, SOPA, as written, runs counter to what I believe are fundamental rights for all Americans. I plan on voting against the legislation in its current form, although leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives has indicated that this particular bill will not reach the floor for a vote.



Currently, H.R. 3261 awaits further consideration by the House Committee on the Judiciary. The Committee began consideration of the legislation in December, and plans to continue its deliberations in February. As online piracy issues continue to be discussed, please know that I will keep your thoughts in mind.



Once again, I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Please don't hesitate to contact me in the future regarding this or any other matter of concern.


Sincerely,

Jim McGovern
Member of Congress


Emphasis: I plan on voting against the legislation in its current form, although leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives has indicated that this particular bill will not reach the floor for a vote.

Yay for Mr. McGovern! :-)
Maker of Cheerfuls @eZaranth
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
January 24 2012 19:55 GMT
#1920
On January 22 2012 20:50 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 10:20 Phenny wrote:
Ugh it just doesn't fucking stop.
http://rt.com/usa/news/senate-illegal-internet-streaming-felony/
Doesn't this mean streaming SC2 any games is dead unless you get a license from Blizzard the relevant company?

I picture the American politics as a place where fat, rich, conservative men sit on their ass while getting their pockets lined with gold by media corporations. Is this view correct? Surely most people in the US are not rich, why do they vote for these people?


I picture the European politics sucking up to those American corporate fat asses. If you want to do your part, as I did, give your EU parlement representative a call or an email regarding ACTA and your negative support towards it.

We can no longer blame this shit on the US alone. It is our turn as people from the EU to show that if they can fix their privacy problems in Congress, so can we in the EU parlement.

It is time to act, the time to blame is in the past. Right now Poland is voting yes to this, and if we don't show our concerns, it will pass in Holland as well.
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