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On January 19 2012 19:34 arbitrationus wrote:
90 something pages, and mostly repetitious rhetoric and ignorance.
This country needs SOPA, period. A well written piece of legislation thats taken MUCH too long to hit Washington.
Read SOPA for yourselves, and youll probably fully support it. Its honestly just mind boggling to me that anyone can call themselves "informed" on the issues at hand and yet oppose SOPA. Not to mention all the while ignoring the fact that they are a brainwashed drone.
And before you respond with the expected, "HERPIDY DERP DIS BILL IS TEH CENSORSHIP DERP CUZ SOMEONE TOLD ME TO SAY HERPY DERP ITZ EVILZ", read the actual bill for yourselves and come to your own conclusion.
Tired of sheep saying SOPA sucks. If anyone disagrees with my position, specific titles and sections of the bill will go along way in furthering your cause with me. I welcome an informed responder, everyone else continue with your regularly scheduled programming of regurgitating the anti-SOPA soundbites and foaming at the mouth.
LOL, I counter your assertions with mine.
I read the bill in its entirety and reject it as deceitful and malicious legislation designed to create an imperialist corporate structure where the company with the strongest monopoly and connection wins.
We, the people, will become enslaved again, just as those who fled for America 200 years ago against the tyranny of the crown, East India Company and Dutch East India Company.
A tyrant is a tyrant, and you sir, speak like one.
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On January 19 2012 12:07 snakeeyez wrote:
The problem larger then this bill is the fact that a month after this gets voted down they can make up some other stupid internet legislation. Then we all have to go through this again and again as they just keep up the business as usual. Its not my job to pressure congress that is their job to fix problems not make new ones. The whole system has been broken and gets worse by the year.
Who ever told you freedom was free?
Do you like your current political system?
Congratulations, you are free to fight to keep it in place or watch it fall apart.
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On January 19 2012 21:33 arbitrationus wrote:Glad you finally came to your senses Kefka, and decided to FINALLY contribute to the discussion. About time. Now, on to your points. After quoting the specific section I mentioned (and, noting here, that you provided none whatsoever for me to examine), I summarized your argument with the following quote: Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 21:25 TheKefka wrote:
This bill is impossible to enforce in practice.The economic damage this bill would cause is the real irony here.
Who says its impossible to enforce? Where does sopa say that EVERY SINGLE WEBSITE EVER will be policed, or can be policed? These are not claims made by the legislators or the legislation, only those who wish to detract from the advantages and extended authority's the bill grants to the federal gov.
This here is imperialism speak right there, "I like this site so I won't remove/report it."
You are a bully.
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JAN 19 Update: Current ratio of supporters to opponents will ensure the passing of PIPA (evil twin of SOPA)
Yesterday the Internet cried out in protest of SOPA-PIPA, and congress heard us loud and clear. At the beginning of Janaury 18th, there were 80 members of congress who supported the legislation, and 31 opponents. Now, just 63 support SOPA-PIPA, and opposition has surged to 122, according to ProPublica.
Unfortunately, there are still more stated supporters than opponents in the Senate. There, PIPA needs 60 supporters out of 100 for it to pass, and two-thirds majority (67 votes) to prevent President Obama from being able to veto. At this rate PIPA would pass.
Oh boy... they still have hitpoints...
Senate being a pig. Opponents not withstanding.
Use opencongress.org, it is a great website. It is very thorough giving easy access to your representatives and Senators.
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Rep. Smith postpones SOPA work in response to criticism
The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) has officially been put on hold.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tx.) today said that the House Judiciary Committee, which he heads up, "will postpone consideration of the legislation until there is wider agreement on a solution," adding that he has taken critics' concerns "seriously."
"It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products," Smith wrote today in a statement.
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On January 21 2012 01:13 ezk wrote:
Rep. Smith postpones SOPA work in response to criticism
The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) has officially been put on hold.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tx.) today said that the House Judiciary Committee, which he heads up, "will postpone consideration of the legislation until there is wider agreement on a solution," adding that he has taken critics' concerns "seriously."
"It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products," Smith wrote today in a statement.
Provide source please.
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It is good that it got killed in commite as opposed to the house in general, it will make it harder for the bill to be revived.
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oh well PIPA is about to pass so don't celebrate.
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On January 20 2012 21:04 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:JAN 19 Update: Current ratio of supporters to opponents will ensure the passing of PIPA (evil twin of SOPA)Show nested quote +Yesterday the Internet cried out in protest of SOPA-PIPA, and congress heard us loud and clear. At the beginning of Janaury 18th, there were 80 members of congress who supported the legislation, and 31 opponents. Now, just 63 support SOPA-PIPA, and opposition has surged to 122, according to ProPublica.
Unfortunately, there are still more stated supporters than opponents in the Senate. There, PIPA needs 60 supporters out of 100 for it to pass, and two-thirds majority (67 votes) to prevent President Obama from being able to veto. At this rate PIPA would pass. Oh boy... they still have hitpoints... Senate being a pig. Opponents not withstanding. Use opencongress.org, it is a great website. It is very thorough giving easy access to your representatives and Senators.
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act_Senate_whip_count
45 against to 32 for is losing?
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That reversal was quick. When I checked it was not the case.
But thank you for the update.
En taro Tassadar.
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Glad some Congressmen are seeing reason, hopefully SOPA doesn't gain momentum again. If it does, the Internet will be ready :D
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On January 20 2012 18:46 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 12:07 snakeeyez wrote:
The problem larger then this bill is the fact that a month after this gets voted down they can make up some other stupid internet legislation. Then we all have to go through this again and again as they just keep up the business as usual. Its not my job to pressure congress that is their job to fix problems not make new ones. The whole system has been broken and gets worse by the year. Who ever told you freedom was free? Do you like your current political system? Congratulations, you are free to fight to keep it in place or watch it fall apart.
Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me. And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five who will? Mmm....buck 'o five.
Anyway it seems at least some of the message is coming through with both SOPA and PIPA delayed for now.
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Hi everyone!
A big hurrah to you!!!!! We’ve won for now -- SOPA and PIPA were dropped by Congress today -- the votes we’ve been scrambling to mobilize against have been cancelled.
The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard.
On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. See the amazing numbers here and tell everyone what you did.
This was unprecedented. Your activism may have changed the way people fight for the public interest and basic rights forever.
The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk.’”
“'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added."
Tweet with us, shout on the internet with us, let's celebrate: Round of applause to the 13 million people who stood up - #PIPA and #SOPA are tabled 4 now. #13millionapplause
http://www.sopastrike.com/numbers
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/technology/dodd-calls-for-hollywood-and-silicon-valley-to-meet.html?scp=1&sq=dodd arab spring&st=cse
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Well, this restored a modicum of faith in the US government for me. Great news!
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On January 21 2012 04:16 eXeJJu wrote:Hi everyone! A big hurrah to you!!!!! We’ve won for now -- SOPA and PIPA were dropped by Congress today -- the votes we’ve been scrambling to mobilize against have been cancelled. The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard. On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. See the amazing numbers here and tell everyone what you did. This was unprecedented. Your activism may have changed the way people fight for the public interest and basic rights forever. The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk.’” “'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added." Tweet with us, shout on the internet with us, let's celebrate: Round of applause to the 13 million people who stood up - #PIPA and #SOPA are tabled 4 now. #13millionapplause http://www.sopastrike.com/numbershttps://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/technology/dodd-calls-for-hollywood-and-silicon-valley-to-meet.html?scp=1&sq=dodd arab spring&st=cse
Hope its true.
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