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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 15 2011 16:11 GMT
#41
another stupid motion by the US gov. move along nothing new.
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 15 2011 16:15 GMT
#42
On November 16 2011 01:06 TealLurker wrote:
Can somebody fix the thread title? ALL CAPS is not cool.

Only the "STOP" is needlessly in caps. The rest is typed correctly, I think.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 15 2011 16:18 GMT
#43
Internet domination = World domination. What the doomsayers were warning us all about is becoming true.
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Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:19:26
November 15 2011 16:18 GMT
#44
On November 16 2011 01:05 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:00 Xalorian wrote:
On November 16 2011 00:49 nicotn wrote:
I feel really bad for Americans How will this affect MLG and other tournaments?


It should not affect MLG directly, since they own the right of what they are streaming...

It could shut down TL, tho.

A single link toward a video or a song, and bam.

MLG has forums too
So does 95% of the internet
o shit-

No this will never pass. It's way to broad to pass for one, it's stupid too..


You don't get it, tho.

It will pass, and they will not use it to block every single site on the web. Since it is so broad, they could use it to censor everything they want, anytime they want. Exactly like china. No more wikileaks, no more piratebay, no more torrent at all probably, no more youtube either. They will probably use it to try to shut down everything that could be used against the governement, too.

MLG is fine, since they only talk about MLG and games on their forum, and stream only things that they own. TL is at risk, since the forum is so broad. People use it to complain against the governement pretty much every day, even if it's an eSports forum.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
November 15 2011 16:19 GMT
#45
On November 16 2011 00:49 Flonomenalz wrote:
This would cause such a giant shit storm in our technology based world that I cannot see it being passed, or lasting any amount of time even if it is somehow passed.

You're assuming that they plan to enforce it overnight. It'll take years and they'll do it step-by-step, just like with every other legislation that limits people's freedoms. And they won't be like "Oh, we're doing it because we want to make more money" but rather "We're doing it to stop the evil pirates/terrorists/pedophiles/etc.".
rememberauir
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3 Posts
November 15 2011 16:24 GMT
#46
this is all part of the new world order rememebr big brother is watvching at the rate were going thats not far off its really saddening to be honnest it makes me a sad panda that this is happening but its part of the big brother system theyre putting in palce for theyre new world order to bad things never last forever

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paperwing
Profile Joined February 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:25:56
November 15 2011 16:25 GMT
#47
Why do we elect people who do this?

We need a new political party or something.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:30:04
November 15 2011 16:28 GMT
#48
On November 16 2011 01:25 paperwing wrote:
Why do we elect people who do this?

We need a new political party or something.

The Internet vodka/tonic party?

But seriously,if this passes,which I don't think it will,won't this be like China where they censor everything on the internet?
Cackle™
paperwing
Profile Joined February 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:34:47
November 15 2011 16:31 GMT
#49
Anything can be bad when you take it to the extreme, extreme capitalism isn't really an exception
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
November 15 2011 16:31 GMT
#50
I dont get this, in the OP link it says "Google knows it"
I get this is a BS law thats being forced through by lobbyists for the entertainment industry, but dont companies like google have a lot more money and therefore stronger lobbies in washington?
Sorry if ive got something obvious wrong but im not from the US
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
November 15 2011 16:33 GMT
#51
On November 16 2011 01:25 paperwing wrote:
Why do we elect people who do this?

We need a new political party or something.


The problem isn't who we elect the problem is how easily politicians can be bought because of our system of legalized bribery. Until we remove money from government the rich will be able to get legislation like this passed. Our only hope atm is that we have some big corporations buying out people on our side.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
MassacrisM
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom149 Posts
November 15 2011 16:34 GMT
#52
What a load of bullcrap. I feel bad for you guys. So much for land of the free. Feel like moving to Asia now?
" One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision " - Bertrand Russell
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
November 15 2011 16:34 GMT
#53
the united states of china
How do you mine minerals?
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:43:55
November 15 2011 16:40 GMT
#54
Okay people in the US, here is a VERY EASY way to spend 2-3 minutes and significantly help out, it really takes no time and ill walk you through what you need to do.

1) Find out what state you live in

2) Go to -- https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

3) Select your state and zip code

4) Fill out VERY basic information that will be used to validate that you are who you say your are

5) Make sure to include " PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261)"

6) Then write your opinion below (hopefully it wouldnt be in favor of the bill, but hey, thats your right)


I have attached my own little write up below, use it if you want, or write your own.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am hugely against this bill. It is a massive move against internet freedom that seems to only be in-motion due to greed. This needless regulation will be virtually impossible to enforce but more importantly, doing so would be a frivolous use of manpower. China has a very similar to what this would be and its internet policies are well... a joke to be quite honest. I truly hope to see this shut down and hope that you will be apart of the reason. Thank you for your time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In all seriousness this takes 2-3 minutes, it is remarkably streamlined and simple.


EDIT: I sent that out to all Washington Representatives of Kentucky in 10-15 minutes. Im sure you can be bother to send out one or two =P
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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:49:10
November 15 2011 16:40 GMT
#55
This would make US look like the most hypocritical country... ever tbh.
This kind of law are semi - ok in communist states like China where the government is the one that decides what goes down and what stays but in the US it could mean "death" to that which is the (free of charge) content on the internet since all but a few sites will not be able to "cope" with the law due to budget issue and we know where monopoly over something ( diamonds) leads.
That said i am happy to live in EU and this will most likely not happen here... for now at least, but if it actually passes ( tho i dont see it passing ) i gues it sucks a lot for you guys :/
Come to thing of it tho... if it does passes it would kinda be the "last" thing needed for China to be officially the "new" USA since atm the only thing which USA is "above" them with ( expect for the fact that half of China pop lives in close to poverty condition but non seems to care cuz they are "hiding" is pretty well ) "freedom" to speak your mind...etc and if it does passes and the large companies actually use this to "kill"/censor most of the sites I can see a lot of there rich/smart emigrants ( and lets be honest a lot of smart ppl used to and still do migrate in USA from Asia/EU and Africa due to the poverty/regime in there country and the fact that in USA there is a need for ppl with knowledge and there is the money to pay them ) going to China over USA.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 15 2011 16:42 GMT
#56
well, usa have some pretty discusting laws, but this is like chinas big firewall ... they cant be serious ...
feel really sad for you guys
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
November 15 2011 16:43 GMT
#57
If this actually passes then people should just move to a different country, that's how ridiculous it is.
I <3 Plexa.
FaiL_SaFe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States104 Posts
November 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#58
On November 16 2011 01:25 paperwing wrote:
Why do we elect people who do this?

We need a new political party or something.


I actually think the problems lie in a somewhat different direction.

Problem one is the fact that, the entertainment industry is on this insane quest to control utterly all access to any sort of media content that they had anything to do with. This is of course, absurd. In their perfect world, most of the entertainment industry would still force you to buy CD's for all of your music which, of course, cannot be burned onto a computer or used in an MP3 player to avoid the risks, god forbid, of someone sharing their music with someone else, and if the MPAA had their way, you could only purchase movies on DVD for the same reason. It's also worth noting that the entertainment industry has funneled quite a large sum of money into political campaigns. Money may not buy their votes, but it sure as hell buys access. This leads to the second problem...

That is the fact that most of the government officials, elected or appointed who are responsible for writing and passing this sort of legislation or making FCC rules in this area have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. Somebody pointed out earlier in the thread that most of these people are 50-somethings many of whom are barely computer literate. There is a certain simple logic to the entertainment industries argument, it's quite simply piracy=bad, therefore, we must do everything in our power to stop piracy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, however, this has and does often lead to overreach in legislative attempts to come to grips with internet piracy. This never really gets noticed by the senators and members of congress who are responsible for introducing and passing the legislation because they don't know what they're talking about.

I would argue that many people in positions of power, and, to a certain extent among older people in general, they seem to have a fundamental misconception about the way that the internet works. They seem to see it as a controlled environment in which the "good" people and the "bad" people operate in highly differentiated "parts" of the internet. Obviously, this is rather ridiculous to anyone who has, well, really any familiarity with the internet. Unfortunately, this idea seems to be beyond the conception of our elected officials which leads to bills that ultimately, have good intentions (let's be honest, the elimination of true internet privacy is probably a good thing), but in their haste the entertainment industry and the government have overreached horribly.

Fortunately, if the Supreme Court decides to treat the internet as an area where we free speech is protected, then we're fine. But that could take a while unfortunately.


Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 15 2011 16:48 GMT
#59
So much for personal liberty, holy fucking shit is this bill stupid.
This will make it riddicolously easy to enforce propaganda due to lack of sources in forums and the government can basically control whatever it wants.
I am pretty sure people dont wanna live their internet life through a proxy server :/

I hope this isn't passed, and my condolences if it does pass
In the woods, there lurks..
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 16:49 GMT
#60
On November 16 2011 01:45 FaiL_SaFe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:25 paperwing wrote:
Why do we elect people who do this?

We need a new political party or something.


I actually think the problems lie in a somewhat different direction.

Problem one is the fact that, the entertainment industry is on this insane quest to control utterly all access to any sort of media content that they had anything to do with. This is of course, absurd. In their perfect world, most of the entertainment industry would still force you to buy CD's for all of your music which, of course, cannot be burned onto a computer or used in an MP3 player to avoid the risks, god forbid, of someone sharing their music with someone else, and if the MPAA had their way, you could only purchase movies on DVD for the same reason. It's also worth noting that the entertainment industry has funneled quite a large sum of money into political campaigns. Money may not buy their votes, but it sure as hell buys access. This leads to the second problem...

That is the fact that most of the government officials, elected or appointed who are responsible for writing and passing this sort of legislation or making FCC rules in this area have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. Somebody pointed out earlier in the thread that most of these people are 50-somethings many of whom are barely computer literate. There is a certain simple logic to the entertainment industries argument, it's quite simply piracy=bad, therefore, we must do everything in our power to stop piracy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, however, this has and does often lead to overreach in legislative attempts to come to grips with internet piracy. This never really gets noticed by the senators and members of congress who are responsible for introducing and passing the legislation because they don't know what they're talking about.

I would argue that many people in positions of power, and, to a certain extent among older people in general, they seem to have a fundamental misconception about the way that the internet works. They seem to see it as a controlled environment in which the "good" people and the "bad" people operate in highly differentiated "parts" of the internet. Obviously, this is rather ridiculous to anyone who has, well, really any familiarity with the internet. Unfortunately, this idea seems to be beyond the conception of our elected officials which leads to bills that ultimately, have good intentions (let's be honest, the elimination of true internet privacy is probably a good thing), but in their haste the entertainment industry and the government have overreached horribly.

Fortunately, if the Supreme Court decides to treat the internet as an area where we free speech is protected, then we're fine. But that could take a while unfortunately.




Absolutely, hopefully we only have to endure another decade or two of these ridiculous laws before "our" generation is the vast majority in Washington. Which will help the....well lets be honest, retarded, laws get smashed into the ground on day one so real issues of the day can be addressed.
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