EPTSTOP "PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261)" - Page 5
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driftme
United States360 Posts
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:39 Flonomenalz wrote: How is that even possible? It can't possibly be made legal to give one country worldwide censorship... What set of world laws are you looking at? lol... | ||
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FaiL_SaFe
United States104 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:41 driftme wrote: One of the major issues with this bill is its terminology is purposefully vague. They use terms like "infringing activities" without expressly defining what those activities entail, and it leaves interpretation up to the same agency that has shown in the past that it fails hard at determining if a website is legally infringing on copyright. You're absolutely right. That said, wording like this makes overturning the IP bill a slam dunk if and when it gets to the Supreme Court. Say what you will about them but this particular court has had an exceptional record with regards to free speech protection. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:55 cmen15 wrote: Sigh im not surprised at all by this and after this post im going to look a lot more into this bill. I really want to do some V for Vendetta shit in this country. I mean revolutions have been happening every hundred or so years for last five century's why should America be any different, whatever just talking out loud. We shall see what happens! I'm not surprised either. However.. what you just said..got al-Alwaki killed in Yemen by missile. It later cost his teenage son his life as well. Words are pretty much that, till a no-knock drug raid erases you for the pretense of readiness. You need to read a lot more...or troll a lot less. The quoted post above could have been transplanted from any number of domestic terror cases in the last 2 years alone. You sound like a generic provacatuer, or you just don't realize how serious what you said just is. Try and take a commercial flight this year and see if you get on-board. Of course they will let you pay for the ticket  Security might be a different story. If you happen to have a pair of tweezers, you might end up some place sunny, but you will never get a tan.I'm pretty much a minority voice in most discussions, but what you said threathens yourself and your family. Financial, legally, and otherwise. Might want to consider that in the future. For both our own good before another law gets passed because of a bunch of 70 yr olds wants to detonate a adult-diaper dirty bomb in public. | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
EDIT: ok after rereading the post I understand what your saying but that was a crazy way of saying it. hehe | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:35 driftme wrote: No, this bill grants control to the US government to affect the worldwide infrastructure of the internet. It's designed to "[enhance] enforcement against rogue websites operated and registered overseas". ....how the hell can they possibly have jurisdiction to do that? | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:36 Hassybaby wrote: ....how the hell can they possibly have jurisdiction to do that? That's what I'm wondering. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:36 Hassybaby wrote: ....how the hell can they possibly have jurisdiction to do that? Jurisdiction according to whom? Who's to say what governments can and can't do? Obviously there are organizations like the UN etc, but ultimately, if the US government wants to do this, they will (assuming it passes). And yes, its wrong, and they know it. But the proponents of this bill are basically relying on the fact that if it passes they'll have at least some amount of time to reign supreme on the internet and control who sees what - or even who gets credit for things. Consider the scenario of a blog writer being quoted by a newspaper but not cited. All the newspaper has to do is point the finger at the blog writer and say they're infringing. And that blog could be taken down. There's no lengthy court process here, remember. Once someone decides you're infringing, you'll have to fight it. But who do you think will win? A corporation with a team of lawyers, or the independent blog writer or website admin? This thing is about WAY more than piracy and copyright infringement, no matter what they say. You can go read the bill right now word for word.. thats the best way to learn about it. The writing is pretty obtuse and some passages take a few reads to fully understand, but you'll learn it without the spin that EVERYWHERE puts on it. Wars throughout history have been fought over resources, religion, or racism, and this will never change. Information has become one of the most critical and important resources and will be even more in the future - and this bill could be called "massively destabilizing" in the realm of information control. | ||
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enjoylol
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 16 2011 04:01 enjoylol wrote: Do you guys who think this won't affect MLG really not get it? It also attacks streams that contain music (which MLG stream has its own unique music? Not one) from other artists, or that has material/logos with copyrighted material. Bingo. I doubt any live stream really has licensing rights to be playing all that music. (Maybe MLG does, theyre pretty big..) This also affects DJs posting recorded live sets, and things like that. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
I get depressed by this shit (among alot of other stupid things going on around the globe). Hope this doesnt go through. :< | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
EDIT: I see now you're in Sweden, so its not like you have a representative (senator etc) you can email about USA stuff lol.. but yea its stupid. I wonder if other countries follow this as closely as (not many) americans do? | ||
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Denis Lachance
Canada162 Posts
On the topic of canada, it's a shame right now the Conservatives are in power and many many outright ridiculous things are happening here... Could this bill be one of them? Could the madness spread? God, I hope not! So far though I think we are indemme. But as long as Stephen Harper is in power we are not safe. Crazy, stupid shit happening south of the border have a tendency to osmose up north... So this bill must be stopped in the US in its tracks! Obviously if it were to just happen in the US, things from the outside would be censored for the people within. This would be horrible for everyone in the US! But as for the rest of us, what I see happening is, as I have said above, a migration of websites to shores beyond. What a disgusting step back for Freedom of Speech. | ||
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Subject: Vote AGAINST the PROTECT IP (S.968)/SOPA (HR.3261) BILL. Dear Senator Gillibrand, The internet is not just a place where young people go to steal copyrighted material and waste their time. It is the single most powerful tool we have as a global society for learning, communication, and sharing of life-changing ideas. While this new PROTECT IP (S.968) bill intends to protect our large media companies through blocking sites that harbor illegal material distribution, it opens the door to something much more sinister. Giving our media companies legal grounds to take action against ANY site that even links to un-licensed content puts an immeasurable strain on ALL community and forum-based websites, including enormous communities like Facebook. Media companies can effectively have the power to make the government completely shut down productive internet communities because of their inability to closely monitor every single item contributed by every member. Why should the government have complete power to control internet content? Why should the Entertainment industry be able to use our government to do its dirty work? Plenty of small, startup businesses have created successful distribution models that effectively eliminated a good deal of piracy, just by providing users with an attractive interface, at an attractive price, such as Netflix. Times have changed, and in our "Free Market" economy, some industries have adapted, and some simply have not been able to. It seems as if the entertainment industry is unable to be bailed-out financially, and so it seeks to be bailed-out legally. But, by allowing them this legal power in an attempt to subdue piracy, we are handing over to them the greatest informative tool of the free world. They can give themselves ultimate say in what stays and what goes on the internet, and can shoot down any group that tries to even allude to their content, be it a forum community, or an internet startup that tries to compete with them in offering attractive content at an attractive price. Say goodbye to small business startups that use any kind of entertainment content. Say goodbye to social media. Say goodbye to communities that have existed for years just to exchange knowledge and ideas. What this bill does is allow major media companies to completely control what we do on the internet and how we do it, and to stomp out what could be competition in a society that tell itself it values the small businessman. What it also does is sets a prime example for the rest of the world - that it is perfectly okay for companies to silence the general public over fear of stolen content. It is a major moment in the battle for free speech as a society and we can't simply rush it through into law because we haven't been effective enough in fighting piracy. There are already copyright laws in place to protect our media companies, so why is this bill even seeing the light of day? Piracy will always continue, but we shouldn't be willing to sacrifice our constitutional freedoms just to sell some more movies. Thank you for your time Senator Gillibrand. Please oppose PROTECT IP (S.968). Make a difference for every single free person in this country who has ever used and ever will use the internet. God Bless America | ||
hazefrog
United States16 Posts
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
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