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http://keepthewebopen.com/sopa
LoneWolf.Alpha-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
123 Posts
November 15 2011 21:22 GMT
#101
So you're saying that if this law passes, any poster can shut down tlnet by posting some copyrighted things, and then complaining that tlnet has copyrighted things?

I can't wait to abuse the crap out of this.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
November 15 2011 21:24 GMT
#102
I don't want to browse on this planet anymore...
The universe created an audience for itself.
LoneWolf.Alpha-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
123 Posts
November 15 2011 21:28 GMT
#103
corporatocracy. one dollar one vote.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
November 15 2011 21:32 GMT
#104
Can anyone outside of the states do anything?
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
November 15 2011 21:49 GMT
#105
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.
All good things must come to an end. Therefore, SC2 will last forever
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#106
On November 16 2011 06:49 treekiller wrote:
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.

They use that as the first step to illustrate how easy it is to do, not to call americans stupid.
treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
November 15 2011 21:52 GMT
#107
Here is the official summary from the Congressional Research Service.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00968:@@@D&summ2=m&
All good things must come to an end. Therefore, SC2 will last forever
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 22:15 GMT
#108
On November 16 2011 06:49 treekiller wrote:
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.


Just a joke, no need to read into it like that.
vvv-gaming.com
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
November 15 2011 22:22 GMT
#109
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
November 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#110
Wow, now that's scary. If a non-US citizen can help in any way..... I'll be glad.
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 22:31 GMT
#111
On November 16 2011 07:30 ArcticRaven wrote:
Wow, now that's scary. If a non-US citizen can help in any way..... I'll be glad.


find your american friends, shout at them until they do something
vvv-gaming.com
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:55:07
November 15 2011 22:37 GMT
#112
On November 16 2011 07:22 Omnipresent wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.


here's the actual bill:
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf

and some good articles/sites:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/12371715059/rep-anna-eshoo-silicon-valley-thinks-protect-ip-is-about-immigration.shtml
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protectip_docs
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2011/1115_cybersecurity_friedman.aspx
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/13285714230/son-coica-protect-ip-act-will-allow-broad-censorship-powers-including-copyright-holders.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67985.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/11/11/the-case-for-the-protect-ip-act-and-dns-filtering/

those have some great explanations and viewpoints from relevant people. if i remember correctly, the last article is written by a proponent. good to have other viewpoints too, even if theyre wrong =]

EDIT: OH! I forgot the three most important things... this is a series about these new legislations (sopa included) everyone who wants to learn more should read these:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-–-and-it’s-worse-ever
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation

EDIT 2: Here's another link to an interesting read about another legislation/enforcement debacle.. its still going on and will only get worse with PIPA and SOPA
https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 15 2011 22:44 GMT
#113
One of the other dangers of this bill is it introduces penalties to parties that are innocent by today's laws, laws which are untouched by this bill. It simply adds new enforcement options that affect people who aren't breaking the law.
RoKetha
Profile Joined July 2010
United States211 Posts
November 15 2011 23:09 GMT
#114
Possibly the single dumbest thing this bill does is remove the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA. The DMCA was poorly thought out as is because it just doesn't work on the scale of the internet (hence why you can get literally anything pulled off Youtube without review just by flagging it for copyright violations without being the copyright owner.) But at least the DMCA only caused the unfair removal of individual works. Blocking a site's revenue and removing it from DNS because of third-party content is ludicrous when there are often millions or even billions of works hosted on a site.

It is literally impossible to prevent third-party copyright violations without using a whitelist model. It's just a matter of sheer scale. That alone would effectively end the era of user-generated content on the internet, and probably cause billions in economic damage as a result. Heck, considering the history of Google, Facebook, Zynga, and others, it could very well be trillions in lost opportunities.

Then there's the fact that accusations don't even need review to result in total site shutdown. The DMCA was already bad about this, since little sites could be targeted by random individuals or companies and forced to pull content simply because they couldn't afford to go to court. But at least the DMCA just resulted in the removal of that work and allowed time for a response. With this bill, it's five days (which is absolutely absurd by any stretch and cannot even be argued as ignorant; it's downright malicious and unconstitutional) before you lose all sources of income and funding for your site. Which may be your business. Without review. And there's nothing stopping someone from filing against you just because they feel like it if they can claim they had reason to believe you might be violating copyright somewhere.

It's said that you should never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance. But there is no possible way that these points have not been raised. This is a purely malicious buyout of our rights and tech economy by old rich men.
bobobobojos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 23:48:05
November 15 2011 23:47 GMT
#115
JARLAXLE VS BOBA FETT????????????????????
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
November 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#116
On November 16 2011 07:37 driftme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 07:22 Omnipresent wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.


here's the actual bill:
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf

and some good articles/sites:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/12371715059/rep-anna-eshoo-silicon-valley-thinks-protect-ip-is-about-immigration.shtml
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protectip_docs
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2011/1115_cybersecurity_friedman.aspx
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/13285714230/son-coica-protect-ip-act-will-allow-broad-censorship-powers-including-copyright-holders.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67985.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/11/11/the-case-for-the-protect-ip-act-and-dns-filtering/

those have some great explanations and viewpoints from relevant people. if i remember correctly, the last article is written by a proponent. good to have other viewpoints too, even if theyre wrong =]

EDIT: OH! I forgot the three most important things... this is a series about these new legislations (sopa included) everyone who wants to learn more should read these:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-–-and-it’s-worse-ever
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation

EDIT 2: Here's another link to an interesting read about another legislation/enforcement debacle.. its still going on and will only get worse with PIPA and SOPA
https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca

Thank you.

I found the techdirt articles really helpful, especially this one, which is linked in the first article your posted. It contains a copy of a letter from a group of law professors about this.

It looks like this has all the problems of the DMCA with even fewer protections, a wider reach (implicating companies and removing most if not all safe harbor protections), more severe penalties, and a weaker appeal process. It sounds like a nightmare to me.

And honestly, the guy in the Forbes article didn't even sound that wrong. This just isn't the right approach. It's mostly the prior restraint issues, striking lack of due process, and general heavy-handedness of the whole thing that bother me.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
November 15 2011 23:58 GMT
#117
Miley, do you know if Yarmuth or any reps in general are looking like they are going to vote for this bill? I don't want to spam all our reps, especially if they plan to vote against it anyway.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 16 2011 00:01 GMT
#118
rise up in arms! its about time some of the western countries needed a good revolution! I'm looking at you US, UK, France, Spain, Greece and Italy! yeah
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
TempusDESU
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia87 Posts
November 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#119
So much for freedom of speech. The american government seems to be so ignorant towards the internet. It's the same over here, albeit not as bad. I feel sorry for America
I need a new quote :S
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 16 2011 02:06 GMT
#120
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
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