Memrise: Learning languages with a game approach - Page 34

Acechi

United States50 Posts

November 10 2011 09:13 GMT

#661

Until today, I had no idea that there are chinese dishes that are called "fish fragrant eggplant" and "fish fragrant shredded pork".

I salute this website.

Hemula

Russian Federation1849 Posts

November 10 2011 09:21 GMT

#662

On November 10 2011 18:13 Acechi wrote:
Until today, I had no idea that there are chinese dishes that are called "fish fragrant eggplant" and "fish fragrant shredded pork".

I salute this website.

Haha this is weird.

Ok, so I am having this +50 points problem too. I skip the word but system counts it as a right answer.

Yenticha

257 Posts

November 10 2011 09:26 GMT

#663

On November 10 2011 18:02 ulan-bat wrote:

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On November 10 2011 17:46 Yenticha wrote:

On November 10 2011 17:22 ulan-bat wrote:

On November 10 2011 14:06 Yenticha wrote:

On November 10 2011 13:36 KazeHydra wrote:

On November 10 2011 13:13 ulan-bat wrote:

On November 10 2011 12:14 Yenticha wrote:

On November 10 2011 09:32 Hemula wrote:

On November 10 2011 07:02 Kaiwa wrote:

On November 10 2011 06:16 gregdetre wrote:
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[Memrise co-founder here]

Hey, this was a deliberate switch on our part. We knew that people were having trouble typing Korean, so we flipped a switch that reverses the directionality of typing tests, so you'd be typing in English rather than Korean.

It sounds like the particular problem this caused was in cases like 'half / class' (where a Korean word has multiple English meanings) - you were being marked incorrect if you typed only 'half' or only 'class'.

We can fix this so that it allows either 'half' or 'class' in future, but it might take a day or so to get right. Once we've done that, we might switch it back so you type in English, to make it easier for beginners.

Sorry for any frustration caused,

Yours,
Greg

This is actually not the problem I have an issue with. I liked the system based on the fact that I had to type the Korean instead of the English both testing my ability to remember the way it is written and the Korean itself.

It should be possible to allow each individual user to choose the direction of the translation. Having to type the word in English is for me a big disappointment. I hope you do consider this option.

Jordy

I totally agree with Jordy here, please let us choose. I prefer writing answers in korean.

same for Chinese. Please allow us to choose between learning with pronunciation/pinyin and actual characters.

You have to keep in mind that any word with more than one character will be guessed by your computer 90% of the time. You'll just type the pinyin and get the characters automagically selected. Feels like cheating ;-)

Yup this is the exact problem I have with Japanese. Typing in kanji when my computer does all the work doesn't teach me anything. For one reason or another, I almost always get asked to write the kanji of words which really doesn't help me since I already know hirigana and katakana so in the end my computer does 95% of the work =/

Yes, it is "cheating". BUT, it is very different from being quizzed on pronunciation only. The big difference being: Reading!

Well if you're really trying to learn how to read, you're better off reading a real text and not a wordlist (for grammar etc). Or type on you phone. At least I know mine doesn't guess groups of characters. You have to choose each and every one of them which makes it a lot less like cheating (and is not that convenient really).

Of course. The point is not that memrise with the reading option on (instead of the pronunciation option) is the best way ever to learn. The point is that for me (and, I think, for many other peole here trying to learn an asian language), reading option >> pronunciation option.
And as I said, I have other learning sources right now (real life in TW, local friends, classes irl, book with actual texts in it, etc). I like memrise because its an easy way for me to "cultivate" my memory of Chinese characters, mostly on the reading side of things. That's a simple yet very important purpose.
As for the grammar, I dont know what your native language is, but in my eyes, Chinese has "no grammar". Most words are really straight forward to use. And the little grammar I need, I learn it in real life class, or with my friends.
Also, most Taiwanese people are amazed even if you speak broken Chinese, and they understand you anyway.

I don't know about "reading option >> pronunciation option". I feel like pinyin and more importantly tones are the minimum you need to get your chinese going. Reading is cool but first you need to be able to speak with people.
And well, the grammar I'm talking about is not real technical grammar as in German or French but more like a "style" or proper choice of wording. Chinese is subtle because of the vagueness of the characters.

This is why I have real life classes/teachers/books. I already know the basic Chinese grammar (i.e. what you learn in your first year maybe?). I know the "style" you're talking about, and I think it comes quite naturally. I have no problems with tones or pronunciation, people understand me. My problem is that I do not have a large vocabulary. And I can say/understand what people say *much more* than what I can read.
Well, I guess for some people (like my Japanese friends), the situation is different (for them reading is sooo easy, but they can't pronounce anything correctly).

So, the point is: there used to be two options: study with characters-meaning questions + pronunciation on the side OR study with pronunciation(pinyin)-meaning questions.
As of today, we are stuck with option number 2... that sucks. At least, put the characters on the side when the answer is right, like the pronunciation would appear next to the characters before.

Hope all this doesnt sound too harsh; this website is the result of amazing work! Just looking forward to seeing it as good as it was a few days ago

PS: there is what I assume is a bug; sometimes, I get one question: "type this word in traditional character", which means I can type "xiao jie" for instance, and my computer turns it into characters. THEN, I get asked the same word, in "English", which is actually in pinyin, and thus I just have to hit the same keys, and type enter twice instead of space and enter...

MuShu

United States3223 Posts

November 10 2011 09:37 GMT

#664

Whoa, I've been trying to find a good way to memorize words, I'm taking Korean right now. Thanks for the site, I'll definitely try using it. TL-mushu

ShadowDrgn

United States2497 Posts

November 10 2011 09:46 GMT

#665

On November 10 2011 18:26 Yenticha wrote:
PS: there is what I assume is a bug; sometimes, I get one question: "type this word in traditional character", which means I can type "xiao jie" for instance, and my computer turns it into characters. THEN, I get asked the same word, in "English", which is actually in pinyin, and thus I just have to hit the same keys, and type enter twice instead of space and enter...

Japanese does the same thing with kanji and kana pronunciation. Recognizing pronunciation is a useful test, but actually typing it is entirely redundant and annoying. It isn't really a bug -- the system was just designed for languages with words that are typed differently than they're pronounced.

NDDseer

Australia204 Posts

November 10 2011 09:56 GMT

#666

Signed up. TL-NDDseer.

EDIT: holy cow, just checked out the leader board, go clan TL!

FreeZer

Sweden288 Posts

November 10 2011 10:26 GMT

#667

I found this in french. Isn't this weird?

please: s'il vous plaît
please repeat: répétez, s'il vous plait

Notice the difference in the i. Is this really correct? From the comment of TL-JayCee it seems like it's correct but I can't imagine it being.. if it is, does anyone care to explain why?

AmericanUmlaut

Germany2594 Posts

November 10 2011 10:32 GMT

#668

It's not just Korean that's bugging out - all of my lists (SAT English, two Japanese lists and Morse Code) all mark every answer as correct no matter what I type in. I submitted the problem this morning using the feedback box, but thought I'd post it here so that people know it's a general problem and not just something with a list they're using.

JoFritzMD

Australia163 Posts

November 10 2011 10:38 GMT

#669

On November 10 2011 19:32 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
It's not just Korean that's bugging out - all of my lists (SAT English, two Japanese lists and Morse Code) all mark every answer as correct no matter what I type in. I submitted the problem this morning using the feedback box, but thought I'd post it here so that people know it's a general problem and not just something with a list they're using.

Thankyou for mentioning this. I thought I was going crazy. I just submitted the problem as well in the feedback box so hopefully they'll notice it and get onto it asap. Either way there goes my plans for tonight

iMYoonA

Australia462 Posts

November 10 2011 10:38 GMT

#670

hey, is it normal that some of the words in my garden don't have to be watered for 22 or 24 days? :S

terranluser

Germany23 Posts

November 10 2011 10:39 GMT

#671

iam in

as
TL-terranluser (Mandarin)

Yenticha

257 Posts

November 10 2011 10:40 GMT

#672

On November 10 2011 19:26 FreeZer wrote:
I found this in french. Isn't this weird?

please: s'il vous plaît
please repeat: répétez, s'il vous plait

Notice the difference in the i. Is this really correct? From the comment of TL-JayCee it seems like it's correct but I can't imagine it being.. if it is, does anyone care to explain why?

that's a mistake. "s'il vous plaît" in all cases is the correct form. But in practice, many people juste type "s'il vous plait" because it's faster.

Bagonad

Denmark173 Posts

November 10 2011 11:01 GMT

#673

I keep telling it to turn pinyin off in mandarin survival mcthingy (Is there a way to permanently toggle this?) however i usually get one or two of them anyway, making sure i never get 100% correct, is there a way to toggle it to not get it at all?

Wodus

Germany25 Posts

November 10 2011 11:04 GMT

#674

Count me in.

TL-Wodus (korean)

HWAITING!

S4KuR4

France52 Posts

November 10 2011 11:25 GMT

#675

On November 10 2011 14:57 TheKwas wrote:
Double-post:

I'm currently experiancing a bug where no matter what I write for Korean, it counts it as correct and awards me 50 points.

I'm not a moral man, don't let me farm this to the top of the leader boards ^^

I have the same thing :/ and it bugs me cuz when I don't know the answer he won't tell me what was the correct answer!!!!

TL-S4KuR4 btw :D

MuShu

United States3223 Posts

November 10 2011 11:43 GMT

#676

I keep getting an error when trying to upload an excel spreadsheet when making my own vocab list. When trying to upload a spreadsheet from Excel 2007, I get the error "You can only upload XLS files. When trying to upload a 2003-2007 Excel file, it says "Sorry - something went wrong on our end."

Has anyone else been getting this error, or is there a way to fix this?

Kaiwa

Netherlands2209 Posts

November 10 2011 12:03 GMT

#677

Yep it is pretty broken at the moment. The 3/5/10 in a row is pretty fun though ;-)

Hope it'll be resolved shortly.

SCPhineas

Netherlands119 Posts

November 10 2011 12:23 GMT

#678

I have the problem with answers always being correct as well.. it's global.. I really hope they fix it, because it's really annoying when you are not being tested on knowing the gender.. Getting all kinds of word's gender mixed up and that's no way to learn a language ._.

gregdetre

44 Posts

November 10 2011 13:01 GMT

#679

On November 10 2011 17:54 JoFritzMD wrote:
So I just jumped on memrise and decided to try harvesting some of the plants thatI was having difficulty memorising before. The first one I managed to get straigt away despite being a bit unsure, so that felt good. Then I went on to the next one and had no idea so without entering anything I just pressed next. That one went green and I got 50 points. Same with the next one...and the one after. Am I the only one having this happen?

I'm not sure where to report this seeing as their forums are spam filled.

Also if Greg is still reading this thread, is there a way to use this offline and if not are there plans to make an offline version? I travel a lot and it would be a great way to kill time while travelling.

We're aware that it's being much too permissive about what's considered correct. Should be fixed pretty soon.

Most definitely! We're working on an iPhone app. We'll build out to other platforms eventually from there.

Latedi

Sweden1027 Posts

November 10 2011 13:45 GMT

#680

So I got high fived by TL-Pandaz. How do I high five him back without looking for page 1 thousand something? :p

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