Judge beats daughter for using the internet - Page 84

On November 04 2011 12:28 Bigtony wrote:


(Not just you but the similar answers from Austrian and other Europeans)

Is it that hard to believe that your society simply has a different value?

Do you actually think that spanking a child will cause permanent scarring or whatever negative affects you are implying? Or do you just take "research" at face value? (PS - obviously the research you read in your country will be biased towards the "absolutely no corporal punishment ever" viewpoint because that is the prevailing opinion in your country and also the law)

For the most part the people who you are saying this to are reasonable people who love their children, and use restraint, and do not physically or mentally harm their children.

Saying things like "how can we decide between what is ok and what is too much?" Uhh....we can decide because we are human beings and can make judgements based on a situation and what we believe is right. If there is a dispute we turn to the law/community/etc.

I'd like to hear some examples of how you would discipline a 5 year old. Did you know that research suggests that TIME OUT (fucking time out bros) of longer than 1 minute for 5 year olds are severely damaging? I do not think that corporal punishment should be the automatic choice or the only option. Of course these people also use time outs, or they remove privileges (TV/Games/etc), or they talk sternly, but they also are not opposed to a spank.

If you actually believe that 1 time slap on the bottom accompanied by a clear explanation of what was done wrong is going to permanently damage your child...well I know that you are not correct. In the context of a loving relationship and accompanied by proper parenting techniques corporal punishment is totally appropriate. And if you decide not to that's ok too, but all this "WOW YOU BARBARIAN AMERICANS, HOLDING BACK SOCIETY." Seriously, so BM ridiculous.

On November 04 2011 12:34 BoX wrote:
Bigtony, if you want to count GB as part of America, then you've got a whole new thing coming. The USA was founded by colonists from another country. We didn't take their collective knowledge and written history with us, bro.

If any of you is intelligent and enlightened enough to write a set of laws that should be put into effect immediately, then please do so. Otherwise, the evolution of laws will continue its course until the weak and ineffective are eliminated and replaced with superior ones.

This of course means that idiotic laws/exceptions will remain until something significant can highlight its inadequacies. Shrug. This is the darker side of how the "system" seems to work. Either that or I'm slightly too intoxicated to be posting. Meh.

On November 04 2011 12:41 Steveling wrote:


I'll regret asking, but care to explain in what manner of counting is the US older.

On November 04 2011 12:29 Aruno wrote:



"but hovering it over her fathers head as a blackmail is just terrible",

Incorrect. If it was Blackmail, It would be like her threatening to release the video to the public unless she was given some kind of benefit( like a stack of money).

Her statement said she snapped one day after an angry phone call with her father. Thus it was a revenge action.

"Afraid of what the people would think if she released it sooner is a bit odd." - This assuming you know why she waited. It might of been to protect also her mother. Or just the fear of what would happen to her, had she still be living under her fathers house at the time.


God, I'm Mr.Semantics at times. I shouldn't even care, it's Friday and I'm drinking a beer.

On November 04 2011 12:34 BoX wrote:
Bigtony, if you want to count GB as part of America, then you've got a whole new thing coming. The USA was founded by colonists from another country. We didn't take their collective knowledge and written history with us, bro.

If any of you is intelligent and enlightened enough to write a set of laws that should be put into effect immediately, then please do so. Otherwise, the evolution of laws will continue its course until the weak and ineffective are eliminated and replaced with superior ones.

This of course means that idiotic laws/exceptions will remain until something significant can highlight its inadequacies. Shrug. This is the darker side of how the "system" seems to work. Either that or I'm slightly too intoxicated to be posting. Meh.

On November 04 2011 13:00 Rarak wrote:


I agree with most of this.

E.g. in NZ it recently became illegal to hit kids aswell. Lots of muslim countries are slowly giving women more rights etc.

The US is just behind the times on this point, but I'm sure they will get there eventually (possibly after they finish executing people).

I know most states don't allow that.. but its still there.

On November 04 2011 12:34 BoX wrote:
Bigtony, if you want to count GB as part of America, then you've got a whole new thing coming. The USA was founded by colonists from another country. We didn't take their collective knowledge and written history with us, bro.

If any of you is intelligent and enlightened enough to write a set of laws that should be put into effect immediately, then please do so. Otherwise, the evolution of laws will continue its course until the weak and ineffective are eliminated and replaced with superior ones.

This of course means that idiotic laws/exceptions will remain until something significant can highlight its inadequacies. Shrug. This is the darker side of how the "system" seems to work. Either that or I'm slightly too intoxicated to be posting. Meh.

On November 04 2011 10:57 tokicheese wrote:



People like you make me a sad panda.

1# There has been evidence throughout the thread that shows that corporal punishment is less effective has has a chance to do harm. So why the fuck would you use a method that can only hope to be at par and not exceed and can harm the child... Even if someone does provide evidence you will just claim it interferes with your right to raise your child, culture and religion.

2# It's against the law so it is therefore bad. This just makes me want to die inside. Woman couldn't vote it's against the law this is bad!! A woman needs to have acid thrown on her if she disgraces her family it is legal therefore okay. Use your fucking brain instead of just hiding behind laws that may or may not be moral.

3# Because your a upset parent who is being told he is wrong with scientific evidence. Let me guess you also thing evolution is wrong too and that creationism is the shit.

4# It was an example of how fucked up morality regarding the legal system is I don't think he realized how badly you would need to be spoon fed these things since most people can make connections.

5# Agree. He does have a good point though. Why does some one who does literally nothing for society other than look pretty make so much more than someone who saves countless lives?

6# Agree but why do you have to hit them to make a point. Most of the European countries have done this for a long time and they are not in a state of anarchy and chaos.

7#" Hey let me not give my child a blood transfusion because it is against my religion" Religious Person. "Go fuck yourself" The government when it intervenes for the child's health and safety.

8# Where is the line drawn from child abuse/punishment? If Corporal punishment can cause harm to the child does it not fall under the abuse category?

9# lolwut? What are you trying to say here?

You claim he is 13 and being beaten by his parents with zero evidence at all. You resorted to name calling.
and yet you call him immature. Give your head a shake and grow up.

I have never been hit by my parents once and I am in post secondary working a full time job working my ass off. Like the masses of people in Europe and all over North America and elsewhere.

You have made me lose so much faith in humanity. Your a sad excuse for a father and a human being. Try to not rely on hitting a child to make a point. Your a full grown man hitting a small boy/girl who is your own blood for fuck sake use your vast knowledge you claim to have at your disposal like so many other parents have been doing.

The fact this is even an argument with some people makes my head spin...

On November 04 2011 13:07 kash2k wrote:
Males in general (on the streets or in the senate), who can't avoid such behavior should have their balls cut off. I though we were trying to become more intelligent and considerate rather than back to stick and stones.

It's tiring to constantly try to find even ground with someone who can't get their point across without shouting or fighting - should just get rid of their DNA.

Girls....I don't care...I was tough never to be mean to girl, cause they are future mothers. I guess there is some relationship between how these girls are brought up and what kind of mothers they become.

On November 04 2011 13:11 Geosensation wrote:


You are pro-castration and eugenics, yet anti-corporal punishment. What a strange set of beliefs you hold. I would consider you worse than the judge if you implemented either of these beliefs.

On November 04 2011 12:54 Krikkitone wrote:



US founded in the late 1700's
Germany, Italy founded in the mid-late 1800's (with most recent violent changes of government, not just leadership but government, in the mid-early 1900s)
France.. well here you can say they were founded earlier ~ 900s to 1200s but they also had violent changes of government in the mid-early 1900s

If you stretch your laws back farther past violent changes of government, well US law is derived from English law which goes back at least as far as German or French law.

On November 04 2011 15:09 gayfius173 wrote:
The amount of simple stupidness and blind idiocy that is in this thread is amazing. I'm going to post a few simple things and they will probably won't even get read in completion because people tend to read only what they want to see and flame away, too incompetent to realize what they're saying is dumb, but here goes.

1). Spanking a child does not cause a child to become violent, a psychopath, a murder, rapist, etc, you name it, it is not the cause. Plenty of psychopaths were not spanked as children and still ended up nuts. A lot of this probably could have been avoided had their parents actually disciplined them as a child instead of let them do w/e the hell they wanted. I don't need to site a source for this because there's plenty of convicted killers and other crazy people in the world (many of which grow up without a father or discipline at all) who you can look at and see this for yourself.

2). I was raised and I got spanked if I was bad. At 22 now, I hold no ill will towards my father at all. Infact, earlier this year I even said to him I wish that he would of been more strict with me and hadn't let my mom spoil me how she did, because I would of learned better values of discipline and better self control.

3). Learning is a painful experience. If you are a child and you touch your hand to a hot stove, what happens? You get burned. It hurts. It damages your body a lot worse than a spanking does. Fact: pain is the greatest teacher of all. To learn not to do something, you have to experience a painful reaction to it. This goes from drugs to everyday life lessons. Pain teaches.

4). I don't think that beating a child who has epileptical palsy, or whatever the fuck this girl has, is a good method of punishment. There are some cases where spanking is not the right act. A disabled kid should not be spanked. It will do more harm than good. There are other methods to deal with that situation. A strong bullheaded healthy kid however, for him a spanking would be just fine.

5). Pretty much the reason that there's all this 'omg violence towards children' shit going around is because a lot of people have grown into this 'it's ok to be the way you are no one should say anything to you/take a pill to fix it' mentality. Why do you think there's so much young gang violence in the world? Why do you think theres so many crazy people commiting acts of violence when they get older? It's not because they were spanked I'll tell you that much. It's because they had shitty parents who didn't discipline them or teach them respect and let them do w/e the fuck they wanted so they grow up thinking they can do w/e the fuck they want.

6). It's really not anyone's right to get involved in someone else's life unless said person is actually seriously harming someone. "mental harm' in most cases is not a good reason, considering that, the reason people have mental issues is in the first place is they are taught its ok to have them rather than be taught that its not ok, and the only person who is going to fix a mental problem is the person changing their damn outlook on life (obviously this does not included brain defects that physically stop someone from changing their outlook).

That is all. Incoming flame's from incompetent kids.

On November 04 2011 12:41 Steveling wrote:


I'll regret asking, but care to explain in what manner of counting is the US older.