EPTit really doesnt matter why the boy was bullied
but something like that happens alot in shools
even if you are not gay black or something
Gay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 13
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
it really doesnt matter why the boy was bullied but something like that happens alot in shools even if you are not gay black or something | ||
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NemesysTV
United States1088 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:20 Candadar wrote: Yes, yes it is. Children, by default, have less experience with the world, experience with different worldviews, and their opinions are skewed. So what is the magic age when I am allowed to have an opinion that matters? Are people older than you also able to call your arguments bullshit? | ||
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ChiffonAngel
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:20 Candadar wrote: Yes, yes it is. Children, by default, have less experience with the world, experience with different worldviews, and their opinions are skewed. no they dont existing in the world doesnt give you more experience. many many people drift through their life without learning anything, and many smart things are said by children every day. comdemning someones opininon based on their age is not only childish but also just flat out wrong. it is true that children in general are less experienced, thats why you could call someone childish, if they represent the child stereotype, but calling them a child doesnt actually mean anything, just makes you yourself sound childish. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:24 ChiffonAngel wrote: Teachers in the USA practically have their hands tied. Touching a student in any kind of inapprpriately restrictive or violent manner can land you in front of a court and losing your job. Judging by the mother's reaction in the video, I'd say the whole school is getting taken to court anyway. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:14 semantics wrote: Actually when concerning morality it's quite observed the difference between how children argue/ teen young adult and how adults argue, doesn't mean that a child cannot have a valid argument i'm just curious why so many people are not making this distinction It's also fun to note in the US discriminating based on age is nearly always allowed, i can sell tickets for something for less to seniors and children over adults, but i cannot really sell tickets for less to black people over white people. Yet there are plenty of adults, including a large number of legal scholars (both conservative and liberal), who support the point of view the poster you're trying to 'take down'. Claiming that it's only an argument a kid would use does no justice to the actual level of debate that can be had on the subject, and if anything is more childish then the (perfectly viable) position zakmaa is defending. Freedom of thought, equality among victims, the fact that most crimes carry some kind of component of contempt for the victim, are all concepts that have a place in this debate and I wouldn't call any of them childish. Oh and I'm in the 25 and over category, and zakmaa's position is my own. I fully support all minority rights, support prosecution for 'hate speech' and consider myself very liberal (in a european context). Hate-crime legislation just doesn't fit in with the principles on which I think a legal system should be based, and if you want to discuss that, fine, but do it the proper way. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:17 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Does the reason actually matter? Cause he's gay, black, nerdy, fat, slow, whatever, it's irrelevant. Assigning a tag to the situation (OMG HE GOT BEAT UP CAUSE HES GAY) is inappropriate and only seeks to promote assigning stereotypes and bias. I for one as a parent wouldn't give a damn WHY my child was assaulted, I would be much more interested in how this was possible in a "safe" environment. I've never understood why the term "hate crime" even exists, it just promotes discrimination. Kill someone, 40 years in prison. Oh he was a black guy? Oh ok thats 60 years. WTF? This makes zero sense. Quit making a big deal about him being gay and ask the much more appropriate and applicable question, why is violence in schools tolerated at all? Giving someone a harsher punishment due to their victims color or personal choices is stupid, shortsighted and discriminatory in itself. I love the PC crowd, bunch of fools hiding behind their own hypocrisy. If you want to eliminate discrimination, fighting it with discrimination of your own probably isn't going to help the situation. You don't just get more time because somebody is a minority. You are charged with a hate crime because that was part of the, if not the ENTIRE, motive. It takes just as much burden of proof to charge somebody of a hate crime as any other crime. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:22 Odal wrote: So what is the magic age when I am allowed to have an opinion that matters? Are people older than you also able to call your arguments bullshit? Adults, by default, have so much experience with a certain way of life and history that their views and opinions are skewed. See? We can do it both ways. If you're able to think logically and rationally, and can form coherent arguments, it doesn't matter how old you are. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
The worst part is how the guy has been punished (3days, who gives a shit), and from what I've understood, the guy who was filiming didn't get anything (or did I miss it?) | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Yes, this fucking animal should have charges pressed against him, and I sincerely hope he does, but the same goes to every other bully. I want these stories to be in the news and these kids to be prosecuted regardless of the reason for the kid getting beaten up, I feel like "hate crime" stuff gets more attention and it shouldn't. Unprovoked violence is the same regardless, and all of it should be dealt with in a much less lenient manner than it is now. I also hate how everyone just stands by and watches, especially that kid holding the cellphone. If I saw something like that, I would have kicked that bully in the head, and I'm sure a lot of other decent people would too. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:25 RoosterSamurai wrote: Judging by the mother's reaction in the video, I'd say the whole school is getting taken to court anyway. I'm really really glad about that. I was quite angry a while ago when the little boy got assaulted by three girls and the mother didn't press charges, I'm glad this mother cares about her child's well being. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:20 Candadar wrote: Yes, yes it is. Children, by default, have less experience with the world, experience with different worldviews, and their opinions are skewed. Ironically, that is a very childish view. Your opinions are always skewed, because they are your opinions. His argument is simply his opinion, his age should have nothing to do with it. There are people much younger than you who have experienced much more than you have. Likewise, there are people much older than you who have yet to experience much. | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote: Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. This exactly. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:22 Odal wrote: So what is the magic age when I am allowed to have an opinion that matters? Are people older than you also able to call your arguments bullshit? You should be fully aware of this, how old do you have to be till you are free of a legal guardian? How old till you can smoke? Gamble? Drink? How about the age when your insurance goes down drastically? We make rules based on the majority not based on the individual, we make sentencing for breaking those rules based on the individual not on the majority. On October 28 2011 09:28 Jonoman92 wrote: As was mentioned earlier, asking his age doesn't really make sense. I think he presents a valid point while you present none. Is it fair that hate crimes are given more severe punishments than if the identical crime was done but not designated a "hate" crime? I'm not so sure what's the best answer to this, I believe that discouraging acts of hate with harsher sentences is good but I don't think it's super clear cut. Technically i never prosed a question of age everyone else did, i was rather just curious on the avg age of the group doing this discussion i never said that it was a wrong or right view although i implied it, i was simply wondering why people in the thread could not distinguish between a crime done based on arbitrary reasons vs a crime done becuase a person was a certain race or group ie homosexual in this case. And to why that was not a valid consideration in perusing justice. As people like him would just say violence is violence end of story, which is not an argument at all. And is most often found is found in adolescence views of justice. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:09 semantics wrote: See it's statements like this that make me think TL is filled with 12 year olds Poll: How old are you? 18 to 25 (25) 25 or older (18) 13 to 18 years old (9) 1 - 12 years old (4) 56 total votes Your vote: How old are you? (Vote): 1 - 12 years old Just out of curiosity As was mentioned earlier, asking his age doesn't really make sense. I think he presents a valid point while you present none. Is it fair that hate crimes are given more severe punishments than if the identical crime was done but not designated a "hate" crime? I'm not so sure what's the best answer to this, I believe that discouraging acts of hate with harsher sentences is good but I don't think it's super clear cut. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:24 ChiffonAngel wrote: Teachers in the USA practically have their hands tied. Touching a student in any kind of inapprpriately restrictive or violent manner can land you in front of a court and losing your job. It's not like anyone wants some math teacher to come out and start cracking skulls or anything; breaking up a fight between grade school kids will hardly land you in front of a court. Especially seeing as how kids were recording the fight via cell phone, and it would be easy to tell that a teacher was just trying to stop a beating going on, which is perfectly reasonable. | ||
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ClutchSC
Canada34 Posts
This is a Canadian pundit named Rick Mercer; he's not a worldwide name by any means, but he is a well-liked Canadian TV personality and has become a role-model for young people, including spearheading a youth voting campaign which swept across Canadian universities. And guess what; he's gay. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:20 Candadar wrote: Yes, yes it is. Children, by default, have less experience with the world, experience with different worldviews, and their opinions are skewed. and you don't think, that this kid should learn? he's obviously somehow fucked up, he either is being beaten at home or has a small dick or something like that. if he doens't get properly punished, he will have no "learning effect" at all and he will do it again. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:27 Tektos wrote: I'm really really glad about that. I was quite angry a while ago when the little boy got assaulted by three girls and the mother didn't press charges, I'm glad this mother cares about her child's well being. I agree. If my child was brutally assaulted, I'd sue that school so hard they wouldn't be able to see straight for a decade. | ||
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