EPTI'm not saying the kid should go to prison but they should get his head checked etc.
Gay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 14
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
I'm not saying the kid should go to prison but they should get his head checked etc. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
If I was a Judge in a case like that I've give that little bastard 2 options, either you goto 90 days of boot camp. Or you have to dress like a women (in a dress, makeup and all) for a week at school. Let's see how he likes being ridiculed and harassed. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:25 turdburgler wrote: no they dont existing in the world doesnt give you more experience. think about what you just said | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:29 sCuMBaG wrote: and you don't think, that this kid should learn? he's obviously somehow fucked up, he either is being beaten at home or has a small dick or something like that. if he doens't get properly punished, he will have no "learning effect" at all and he will do it again. What do you propose would be a viable punishment for this specific scenario? Not to start any arguments, I'm just curious about what you think would be proper. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
read the next line of my post? if you dont pay attention, if you dont have the mental attentiveness to learn from your experiences you dont become more experienced. experience doesnt just happen, it takes some effort on the persons part too. | ||
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DrSuit
Netherlands33 Posts
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RAGEMOAR The Pope
United States216 Posts
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
If there was something in the video to establish bigotry, then it clearly is a hate crime and he should receive a stricter punishment like jail time. If there was not, then the hate crime accusation is circumstantial and he should get at least a week suspension, 3 day is pretty weak punishment for the crime. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Either way kids will be kids, and there is nothing unusual about fighting in highschool. I've never seen any highschool fights that weren't broken up by bystanders after the fight got violent. So if i could i would definitely suspend the entire classroom of sociopaths. | ||
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:35 turdburgler wrote: read the next line of my post? if you dont pay attention, if you dont have the mental attentiveness to learn from your experiences you dont become more experienced. experience doesnt just happen, it takes some effort on the persons part too. actually wisdom doesn't just happen. Experience happens regardless of how much you mature from it. I agree with you though. Someones age isn't necessarily a factor in how much they have to offer to a discussion. Even my 5 year old can have some remarkable insightful comments on certain discussions. Having said that, this whole thing is just sick. Regardless of the reason the kid was beaten, it was stupid and deserving of punishment. Those shots at the end of the movie sounded pretty nasty. I don't think that really it was his sexual orientation that was the cause. I think, just like when I was in school, that some people just pick someone smaller and weaker than them to bully. In the video the kid tried walking away and ignoring it which resulted in more bullying. When he stood up for himself, the bully thought, well now I have to put him in his place and know that he is smaller and weaker than me. I don't think his original intention was to beat him that badly only, to make life in general, miserable for him. The fact that he is gay was probably only icing on the cake. It doesn't take from the fact that it was wrong what he did and he should face the consequences, whatever those in charge decide those should be. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:22 Odal wrote: So what is the magic age when I am allowed to have an opinion that matters? Are people older than you also able to call your arguments bullshit? 18 by definition for your first question and yes to your second question. Both of these are arbitrary. | ||
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TutsiRebel
United States172 Posts
from a dude, of course EDIT: in response to the idiots above me, google "ad hominem" argument | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
It is rather fascinating to how people judge people as a group. Technically in the eyes of the law we are not all equal. This crime was committed by kids, do kids get the same punishment as adults? At which age do they constitute having the ability to understand the gravity of their discourse? Yet if we differentiate children why not protected groups ie under hate crimes? The reason for children being lighter sentence is that they cannot quite understand morality and ethics in the same way a fully grown adult can and thus are unfit to be tried as an adult. And a heavier sentence for attacking a person based on them belonging to a group, social racial or other wise. With that, if you attacked a person based on a group you're attacking a group not a single person, which distinguishes your actions as a threat to the group not to the person and thus isn't treated the same. If i assault someone for being an ass hole i'm unlikely to assault another person, unless they are real jerks to me, if i assault a man because he is gay i am still likely to assault more people based on them being gay. The motivation is compeltely different for the same crime and motivation is always needed in violent crimes for proper sentencing. Why aren't children allowed to serve on juries? Same reason why i can invalidate an argument based on the age of a person without going into deep detail why it's wrong. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9105 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:48 Sfydjklm wrote: most certainly not a hate crime. Were all nerds here tell me you were never beat up for some stupid reason. I've got beat up once for not having any cigarettes on me.(i don't smoke) Either way kids will be kids, and there is nothing unusual about fighting in highschool. I've never seen any highschool fights that weren't broken up by bystanders after the fight got violent. So if i could i would definitely suspend the entire classroom of sociopaths. How can you say such nonsense. Whether or not it was really a hate crime or not no one on TL knows for sure. Though there seems to be some evidence that there was. If he was beat up solely because he is gay, then it would make it the definition of a hate crime. | ||
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xShade
Canada52 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... Do they have the manpower to make arrests when assault charges are due? Christ, this is the type of thing that they're waiting around for 95% of the time. Honestly, what do you think the police are for? Perhaps you didn't watch the video. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:55 xShade wrote: Criminal charges? Lol the kid is underage the charges will mean nothing. Expel him from the school imo. Both imo, the parents of the attacker won't care or have any regret unless they have to pay for it financially. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote: Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. Hate crime is such a stupid term. A crime is a crime, it shouldn't make a difference if it's because he hates gay people/a certain race. The student shouldn't be punished any more than if he attacked a straight student. What really bothers me about the term hate crime is that it is used basically every time a crime is committed by against a gay person or a person of another race even if you have no idea if that was a motivational factor in the crime. Kids get into fights/beat up other kids quite often, and none of them are ever thrown in prison. It is an absolutely crazy idea that this kid deserves to be thrown in prison just because it was a gay kid he attacked. If you are going to throw this kid in prison then you should be throwing every kid you beats up another kid in prison. Note that I am in no way defending the actions of the student and I have no problem with gay people. | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
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