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On August 04 2016 21:12 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Yeah gravity is the only contraception that really works
Indeed. The more affected the woman is by gravity, the less likely she is to ever become pregnant.
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On August 04 2016 21:18 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 21:12 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Yeah gravity is the only contraception that really works Indeed. The more affected the woman is by gravity, the less likely she is to ever become pregnant. This war on woman through fatshaming saddens me #triggered
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Lmao that Volband post. I'm glad I checked the thread for that. 10/10
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Yesterday I had my date with the normal girl I mentioned. To my relief, she was indeed normal, so yay, for once I don't have to talk about what kind of mental illnesses they have or how many children they gave birth to already. I made a pretty neat date, though can't say blind luck was not on my side. Like, just when I brought her to show the parliament, it turned out there was a little ceremony there with the royal guard who let people take pictures with them at the end. Needless to say, she was stoked by it, since she is a countryside girl, so just like I'm still blown away by the big city, it was a completely new experience for her. I showed her around some pretty buildings, she even took a photo of some of them. My biggest achievment though is most likely the fact I did not get her behind. Like, I was marching to my own beat, since I knew the destination, but there were times when she was about to go on the exact opposite way, or she just stopped to marvel at the sight. It was a funny scene when I talked for like half a minute thinking she's still next to me, but she wandered around by then, haha.
As for her, she's a rather nice girl, you can't really pinpoint glaring annoyances. She is the middle child in a (compared to the average) rather normal family, she has 1 year back from becoming a teacher for little kids, she helps around in the family business, she likes cooking and in her free time she half-heartedly learns English. She even brought her exercise book with her, filled with bunch of words, translations, rules, all well-organized. And she does it on her own from an online language-learning site. She said she'd eventually like to settle and have kids. Basically she is the kind of girl who finds the "traditional mother role" appealing. She's also fascinated by cars, so not all of her hobbies and interests are "girly".
She seemed to prefer being the submissive one in a relationship. Can't really explain it, but the other three girls I've met so far were mostly showing dominant traits or at least expected me to fight. It was strange but I tried to accomodate my "role", so to say.
We discussed even before the meeting that we are not looking for a serious relationship, we live very far from each other. Thus I had a more relentless approach, brought up topics I would not dare (or even want) to talk about in a first date. There were some flirting, I eventually kissed her, but I would not be Volband, if the kiss happened right when we were almost drunk (we barely drank 2 beers, but turned out we are both prone to easily getting drunk, oops) and were sitting next to each other talking about intimate stuff, no. I kissed her after she finished eating her gyros (tl;dr it has onion in it. LOTS of it) and after some drugged homeless guy sat next to us on a bench. Nice! But honestly, it just felt lame doing it in the pub, it was just way too cliché. Anyway, we fondled a little bit, the most serious stuff was probably me trying to get my hand between her skirt and underwear. Emphasis on trying, because I couldn't. The skirt was way too tight, and I could only get my hand UNDER the underwear (from behind, we were still in a public place) and when presented with the choice of going further or just abandoning that mission I chose the latter.
I asked her if we should rent a place, but she insisted on going back, which I personally took as a failure. Later she said that we should negotiate: she leaves now, but sometime next week if I visit her, we could do - literal quote - whatever I'd like.
I thought she's gone for good, but she called me later that night, we talked about how we got home an a bunch of rather uninteresting stuff, but I appreciated it, I mean, it did show initiative. I asked her about next week, she said she doesn't know which day would be good for her.
Now, this girl traveled to the meeting place as well, almost as much as me, hell, she even had to pay for her trip, unlike me, so that (paired with the fact she called me after we met) should mean she was and probably is somewhat serious. But I'm kinda lost at what to do now, my possibly best argument is that if she doesn't know if day X would be good for her, then why not make this meeting the priority for that day, and if something comes along the way, she reschedules that, instead of this.
I don't want to press her, though my personal experience with her is that it can work on her. Unless she has a very strong opinion about something (ie. not staying there for the night yesterday) she is persuadable. But do I want to do that? We could still chit-chat for a few days online or via phone, but is that even a good idea if we don't want a serious thing? All the while I can't even know if she is really serious about this or not.
Whatever, these are probably rhetorical questions. All in all it was a nice date and a refreshing experience to finally meet a girl with romantic interest who was on my level. It was fun even just interacting with her, that's all I'm trying to say. It also feels good (and hilarious!) imagining her showing the pictures and videos to her mom and talking about how biiiiig the city was, haha.
On August 04 2016 21:52 Laurens wrote: Lmao that Volband post. I'm glad I checked the thread for that. 10/10 *tips fedora*
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On August 04 2016 21:01 QuanticHawk wrote: in the case of guy who entered 2016 as a virgin vs guy with 29,000 posts, I think the people know who to trust Well now I know you are a liar as I lost it the day before new year, BAM!
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On August 04 2016 21:57 Volband wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yesterday I had my date with the normal girl I mentioned. To my relief, she was indeed normal, so yay, for once I don't have to talk about what kind of mental illnesses they have or how many children they gave birth to already. I made a pretty neat date, though can't say blind luck was not on my side. Like, just when I brought her to show the parliament, it turned out there was a little ceremony there with the royal guard who let people take pictures with them at the end. Needless to say, she was stoked by it, since she is a countryside girl, so just like I'm still blown away by the big city, it was a completely new experience for her. I showed her around some pretty buildings, she even took a photo of some of them. My biggest achievment though is most likely the fact I did not get her behind. Like, I was marching to my own beat, since I knew the destination, but there were times when she was about to go on the exact opposite way, or she just stopped to marvel at the sight. It was a funny scene when I talked for like half a minute thinking she's still next to me, but she wandered around by then, haha. As for her, she's a rather nice girl, you can't really pinpoint glaring annoyances. She is the middle child in a (compared to the average) rather normal family, she has 1 year back from becoming a teacher for little kids, she helps around in the family business, she likes cooking and in her free time she half-heartedly learns English. She even brought her exercise book with her, filled with bunch of words, translations, rules, all well-organized. And she does it on her own from an online language-learning site. She said she'd eventually like to settle and have kids. Basically she is the kind of girl who finds the "traditional mother role" appealing. She's also fascinated by cars, so not all of her hobbies and interests are "girly". She seemed to prefer being the submissive one in a relationship. Can't really explain it, but the other three girls I've met so far were mostly showing dominant traits or at least expected me to fight. It was strange but I tried to accomodate my "role", so to say. We discussed even before the meeting that we are not looking for a serious relationship, we live very far from each other. Thus I had a more relentless approach, brought up topics I would not dare (or even want) to talk about in a first date. There were some flirting, I eventually kissed her, but I would not be Volband, if the kiss happened right when we were almost drunk (we barely drank 2 beers, but turned out we are both prone to easily getting drunk, oops) and were sitting next to each other talking about intimate stuff, no. I kissed her after she finished eating her gyros (tl;dr it has onion in it. LOTS of it) and after some drugged homeless guy sat next to us on a bench. Nice! But honestly, it just felt lame doing it in the pub, it was just way too cliché. Anyway, we fondled a little bit, the most serious stuff was probably me trying to get my hand between her skirt and underwear. Emphasis on trying, because I couldn't. The skirt was way too tight, and I could only get my hand UNDER the underwear (from behind, we were still in a public place) and when presented with the choice of going further or just abandoning that mission I chose the latter. I asked her if we should rent a place, but she insisted on going back, which I personally took as a failure. Later she said that we should negotiate: she leaves now, but sometime next week if I visit her, we could do - literal quote - whatever I'd like. I thought she's gone for good, but she called me later that night, we talked about how we got home an a bunch of rather uninteresting stuff, but I appreciated it, I mean, it did show initiative. I asked her about next week, she said she doesn't know which day would be good for her. Now, this girl traveled to the meeting place as well, almost as much as me, hell, she even had to pay for her trip, unlike me, so that (paired with the fact she called me after we met) should mean she was and probably is somewhat serious. But I'm kinda lost at what to do now, my possibly best argument is that if she doesn't know if day X would be good for her, then why not make this meeting the priority for that day, and if something comes along the way, she reschedules that, instead of this. I don't want to press her, though my personal experience with her is that it can work on her. Unless she has a very strong opinion about something (ie. not staying there for the night yesterday) she is persuadable. But do I want to do that? We could still chit-chat for a few days online or via phone, but is that even a good idea if we don't want a serious thing? All the while I can't even know if she is really serious about this or not. Whatever, these are probably rhetorical questions. All in all it was a nice date and a refreshing experience to finally meet a girl with romantic interest who was on my level. It was fun even just interacting with her, that's all I'm trying to say. It also feels good (and hilarious!) imagining her showing the pictures and videos to her mom and talking about how biiiiig the city was, haha. Nice, sounds like a good date!
I'd probably go with the Lem0n approach. Tell her you would love to see her again and that she should let you know when she is available.
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On August 04 2016 23:01 bloodwhore~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 21:57 Volband wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yesterday I had my date with the normal girl I mentioned. To my relief, she was indeed normal, so yay, for once I don't have to talk about what kind of mental illnesses they have or how many children they gave birth to already. I made a pretty neat date, though can't say blind luck was not on my side. Like, just when I brought her to show the parliament, it turned out there was a little ceremony there with the royal guard who let people take pictures with them at the end. Needless to say, she was stoked by it, since she is a countryside girl, so just like I'm still blown away by the big city, it was a completely new experience for her. I showed her around some pretty buildings, she even took a photo of some of them. My biggest achievment though is most likely the fact I did not get her behind. Like, I was marching to my own beat, since I knew the destination, but there were times when she was about to go on the exact opposite way, or she just stopped to marvel at the sight. It was a funny scene when I talked for like half a minute thinking she's still next to me, but she wandered around by then, haha. As for her, she's a rather nice girl, you can't really pinpoint glaring annoyances. She is the middle child in a (compared to the average) rather normal family, she has 1 year back from becoming a teacher for little kids, she helps around in the family business, she likes cooking and in her free time she half-heartedly learns English. She even brought her exercise book with her, filled with bunch of words, translations, rules, all well-organized. And she does it on her own from an online language-learning site. She said she'd eventually like to settle and have kids. Basically she is the kind of girl who finds the "traditional mother role" appealing. She's also fascinated by cars, so not all of her hobbies and interests are "girly". She seemed to prefer being the submissive one in a relationship. Can't really explain it, but the other three girls I've met so far were mostly showing dominant traits or at least expected me to fight. It was strange but I tried to accomodate my "role", so to say. We discussed even before the meeting that we are not looking for a serious relationship, we live very far from each other. Thus I had a more relentless approach, brought up topics I would not dare (or even want) to talk about in a first date. There were some flirting, I eventually kissed her, but I would not be Volband, if the kiss happened right when we were almost drunk (we barely drank 2 beers, but turned out we are both prone to easily getting drunk, oops) and were sitting next to each other talking about intimate stuff, no. I kissed her after she finished eating her gyros (tl;dr it has onion in it. LOTS of it) and after some drugged homeless guy sat next to us on a bench. Nice! But honestly, it just felt lame doing it in the pub, it was just way too cliché. Anyway, we fondled a little bit, the most serious stuff was probably me trying to get my hand between her skirt and underwear. Emphasis on trying, because I couldn't. The skirt was way too tight, and I could only get my hand UNDER the underwear (from behind, we were still in a public place) and when presented with the choice of going further or just abandoning that mission I chose the latter. I asked her if we should rent a place, but she insisted on going back, which I personally took as a failure. Later she said that we should negotiate: she leaves now, but sometime next week if I visit her, we could do - literal quote - whatever I'd like. I thought she's gone for good, but she called me later that night, we talked about how we got home an a bunch of rather uninteresting stuff, but I appreciated it, I mean, it did show initiative. I asked her about next week, she said she doesn't know which day would be good for her. Now, this girl traveled to the meeting place as well, almost as much as me, hell, she even had to pay for her trip, unlike me, so that (paired with the fact she called me after we met) should mean she was and probably is somewhat serious. But I'm kinda lost at what to do now, my possibly best argument is that if she doesn't know if day X would be good for her, then why not make this meeting the priority for that day, and if something comes along the way, she reschedules that, instead of this. I don't want to press her, though my personal experience with her is that it can work on her. Unless she has a very strong opinion about something (ie. not staying there for the night yesterday) she is persuadable. But do I want to do that? We could still chit-chat for a few days online or via phone, but is that even a good idea if we don't want a serious thing? All the while I can't even know if she is really serious about this or not. Whatever, these are probably rhetorical questions. All in all it was a nice date and a refreshing experience to finally meet a girl with romantic interest who was on my level. It was fun even just interacting with her, that's all I'm trying to say. It also feels good (and hilarious!) imagining her showing the pictures and videos to her mom and talking about how biiiiig the city was, haha. Nice, sounds like a good date! I'd probably go with the Lem0n approach. Tell her you would love to see her again and that she should let you know when she is available. What I realized is that approach can only work if I am serious about it. To explain it, I've found myself many times in a situation where I went with this approach, but honestly, even then I knew I would eventually contact them anyway. Whether you call it desperation or something else, the fact remains.
My standards have grown tremendously compared to where its been months ago, for example, I could use this approach, or rather, mentality with Kate, whom I saw from the train yesterday on my way to this other girl. I messaged her, and after she said she could not call me the day before that because she had a lot of work to do, and Thursday is not good for her, again, because of work, I told her that I will not press this issue since I am not even sure if she'd really like to make this new meeting happen or not, but if she fancies it, feel free to contact me whenever. End. If she never calls or messages me from now on, I'm fine by that.
Why? Because I met with this other girl. Suddenly I don't feel the need to run after a girl like Kate. Sure, the healthy thing might be to once have the mindset of not feeling like that towards any girl EVER, but I can't really force it. In May I felt lucky having a one off thing with a full on crazy girl, now I'm not even sure if I'd like to meet her if she asked for it herself. But doing the "tell me if you know when you'll be available!" would not work with this girl, because I know if she would not contact me ever again, I would. Playing the top dog is hard when you are but just a puppy. Hell, I left it out from the story, because I did not want you guys to cringe too hard, but it was a fucking battle to even arrange this meeting, because... well, let's just say I went full retard and I had to do the damage control of my life.
A good sign is that she messaged me first today (the little things guys!), we had a little chit-chat, so I can't just say she hates me, when she clearly not. But - whether it's self-esteem issues, bad experiences or both - I still have the "what if..." in my head that maybe she is not serious. I'm not even reading the RedPill, yet I still assume these things. That's why I'm rather adamant on getting together ASAP, because when the girl lets you put your dick in her, it's a safe assumption she really likes you and not just playing with you. (Talking about a casual sex relationship here)
On August 04 2016 22:53 bloodwhore~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 21:01 QuanticHawk wrote: in the case of guy who entered 2016 as a virgin vs guy with 29,000 posts, I think the people know who to trust Well now I know you are a liar as I lost it the day before new year, BAM! Are you still with that girl? I don't quite know your story!
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Do you mean you just want to fuck? I don't know, with all the girls I've met the last year, just asking her when she is available definitely has the best response. To me it really feels like they know I am not that invested in meeting them, which makes me somewhat more 'attractive' because.
However, I also believe in making your own 'mistakes' and that you should learn the dating game yourself. So do what you feel is right.
On August 05 2016 00:42 Volband wrote: Are you still with that girl? I don't quite know your story! No, it was just a one night stand with a girl from tinder. I actually sent her a friends request on facebook and saying hello a month ago ish. But she did not respond
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I think I am at the rejection threshold for not bothering to try anymore. Can only take No(and all its rude incarnations)/getting stood up inexplicably then ignored so many times.
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This sums up my dating life. I tried to call my mom, she was on a date. Fml
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Hello ! So I've been trying tinder in the past ~ 1 week and I'm chatting with a few girls.. in your experience, how much time do you wait before asking for a phone number / set up a date ?
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Well that's why you're on Tinder, right? To get dates? If you're already chatting with girls, why not put the wheels in motion right now?
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Yes I guess you are right, I'm very new to this (dating apps) so I'm not sure if trying to set a date right away is seen as 'rushed' or not  I completely agree that meeting in person is always best (I don't like too much chatting online, it's quite difficult to convey emotions / etc. especially since english is not my first language), so I'll try to do it !
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Good luck and have fun!
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On August 06 2016 04:42 VHbb wrote: Hello ! So I've been trying tinder in the past ~ 1 week and I'm chatting with a few girls.. in your experience, how much time do you wait before asking for a phone number / set up a date ? I've spent a lot of time on tinder and some I've talked to a lot before asking on a date and others I've done it within 3 messages. Ask her out as soon as possible. You should obviously only do it if it feels right, you should be 90% certain she will say yes. Trust your gut. If a conversation seems to die out, ask her out before it is completely dead.
In general, don't ask "Do you want to meet up?" but say something like "Lets go grab a beer.", it exudes more confidence. Say it as she doesn't really have a choice in the matter.
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On August 06 2016 07:13 bloodwhore~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2016 04:42 VHbb wrote: Hello ! So I've been trying tinder in the past ~ 1 week and I'm chatting with a few girls.. in your experience, how much time do you wait before asking for a phone number / set up a date ? I've spent a lot of time on tinder and some I've talked to a lot before asking on a date and others I've done it within 3 messages. Ask her out as soon as possible. You should obviously only do it if it feels right, you should be 90% certain she will say yes. Trust your gut. If a conversation seems to die out, ask her out before it is completely dead. In general, don't ask "Do you want to meet up?" but say something like "Lets go grab a beer.", it exudes more confidence. Say it as she doesn't really have a choice in the matter.
Thanks all for the advice
Let's see how it goes, I'll let you know if it works ! I don't have super high expectations (though I'm curious to see if this works - and the people I've been chatting with are quite interesting) but maybe that's better..
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Do most of you go for a kiss on the first date if the signals are right?
Been reading the articles from Dr NerdLove, and he says if the signals are right, go for it. But I'm not sure if I've got the courage to do it even if I am (hopefully) reading the signals correctly. I gotta try the triangle gaze though.
Article here for reference http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2012/07/when-to-kiss/all/1/
And if I do go for a kiss, when would I do it? Say after dinner we go to a bar to grab a drink and chat? Or even getting something like dessert?
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On August 08 2016 07:42 jojamon wrote:Do most of you go for a kiss on the first date if the signals are right? Been reading the articles from Dr NerdLove, and he says if the signals are right, go for it. But I'm not sure if I've got the courage to do it even if I am (hopefully) reading the signals correctly. I gotta try the triangle gaze though. Article here for reference http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2012/07/when-to-kiss/all/1/And if I do go for a kiss, when would I do it? Say after dinner we go to a bar to grab a drink and chat? Or even getting something like dessert?
If you're taking the article seriously, then you know there is no correct moment. Learning the "right time to kiss" is like learning when to pull/how to approach during the day/whatever: you form the abstract knowledge from experience and failure.
The most important thing is to re-frame your perspective. Dating is not a zero-sum game. It's supposed to be fun and imperfect. So don't worry about getting the specifics correct. Most women don't have such strict social standards that they only want the kiss after X period.
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Okay, thanks for the advice. I do believe in the article, but yes, I seemed to miss the key point that there is "perfect" moment except what we make it to be.
Thank you sir for shedding a new light! Guess I'll have to face my fears head-on. #nofear haha
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It's fine to be afraid. You're no guru at this. Being comfortable with discomfort alone will get you pretty far.
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