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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
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4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 19 2015 23:04 GMT
#15001
Well good luck, only a few brave men have pulled away from the powerful gravitational pull called the friend zone once they got near it, may the force be with you!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8858 Posts
November 20 2015 01:03 GMT
#15002
On November 20 2015 07:56 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 07:47 LemOn wrote:It's porn that messes up with your brain not fapping itself!

Also it's normal as you are inexperienced, but your priorities are wrong. Looks are more or less irrelevant, mutual chemical attraction is way WAY more important and a 4/10 in magazine standards will make both a much better 1 night stand and especially long term partner than a model where the sparks aren't flying.

Definitely, I most likely won't fap with porn if I do continue later.

Yeah I agree that they are kinda wrong but I still want the feeling that I want to stare at her face for years. Maybe I am a bit greedy to want both, which might be really hard to find. I am kinda okay with not having a gf if my 'requirements' are not met.
If she is boring but hot I would be okay with a fuckbuddy thing.
If she isn't attractive for me but an awesome person I could use another female friend.

Still, it might be the case that I don't find Annika super attractive because the chemistry isn't really there, I guess we will see. We're probably going to make dinner or bake or something more chill soon, so I will definitely go for kissing and making out possibly then.

this just shows your inexperience lol.
if you find a girl thats perfect for you from a maturity/emotional/chemistry standpoint, her 6/10 looks turn into a 9/10.
ive had gfs in the past where if i think back now and try and be as objective as possible, they were like 6 or 7. but when i was actually dating them and i felt they were the perfect person to me, i could stare into their eyes forever and they looked like 100/10.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
November 20 2015 01:37 GMT
#15003
On November 20 2015 10:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 07:56 bloodwhore~ wrote:
On November 20 2015 07:47 LemOn wrote:It's porn that messes up with your brain not fapping itself!

Also it's normal as you are inexperienced, but your priorities are wrong. Looks are more or less irrelevant, mutual chemical attraction is way WAY more important and a 4/10 in magazine standards will make both a much better 1 night stand and especially long term partner than a model where the sparks aren't flying.

Definitely, I most likely won't fap with porn if I do continue later.

Yeah I agree that they are kinda wrong but I still want the feeling that I want to stare at her face for years. Maybe I am a bit greedy to want both, which might be really hard to find. I am kinda okay with not having a gf if my 'requirements' are not met.
If she is boring but hot I would be okay with a fuckbuddy thing.
If she isn't attractive for me but an awesome person I could use another female friend.

Still, it might be the case that I don't find Annika super attractive because the chemistry isn't really there, I guess we will see. We're probably going to make dinner or bake or something more chill soon, so I will definitely go for kissing and making out possibly then.

this just shows your inexperience lol.
if you find a girl thats perfect for you from a maturity/emotional/chemistry standpoint, her 6/10 looks turn into a 9/10.
ive had gfs in the past where if i think back now and try and be as objective as possible, they were like 6 or 7. but when i was actually dating them and i felt they were the perfect person to me, i could stare into their eyes forever and they looked like 100/10.

QFT.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
November 20 2015 02:34 GMT
#15004
Yeah I've never had that instant attraction but get to know a girl well enough and you can talk to her all day without it ever getting boring.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
November 20 2015 09:33 GMT
#15005
On November 20 2015 08:04 LemOn wrote:
Well good luck, only a few brave men have pulled away from the powerful gravitational pull called the friend zone once they got near it, may the force be with you!

I don't know anyone in their right mind who would go on dates with a guy they only wanted as a friend. Even if I were, I would probably be alright with it, she probably has some cute female friends I can date .

if you find a girl thats perfect for you from a maturity/emotional/chemistry standpoint, her 6/10 looks turn into a 9/10.

I don't disagree. However our conversation have been very 'plain' so far, mostly trying to get know each other on a very superficial level. I am usually extremely open and can talk about pretty much anything however we have not gotten to that point yet and 'normal' conversations are dull as fuck. I must unleash the full potential of bloodwhore~, I will try to do it on our next date.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 20 2015 09:50 GMT
#15006
what were you talking about exactly?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
November 20 2015 10:55 GMT
#15007
On November 20 2015 18:50 LemOn wrote:
what were you talking about exactly?

A ton of university related things, where we live, what sports we practice etc. In general just superficial topics, just basic information that doesn't really say anything. I have for example no idea what her kind of humor is like, we will probably be at my place next time so I will definitely pull out some stand up or some comedy show to get a feel for what she thinks is funny. My humor I would say is incredibly dark and not politically correct at all.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 12:17:09
November 20 2015 12:16 GMT
#15008
On November 20 2015 19:55 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 18:50 LemOn wrote:
what were you talking about exactly?

A ton of university related things, where we live, what sports we practice etc. In general just superficial topics, just basic information that doesn't really say anything. I have for example no idea what her kind of humor is like, we will probably be at my place next time so I will definitely pull out some stand up or some comedy show to get a feel for what she thinks is funny. My humor I would say is incredibly dark and not politically correct at all.

Eh so much to learn my young padawan learner :D
When on a date, focus on things that will bring out her traits as a person and show you her emotional reactions. You do this by asking great questions, listening intently and then just let your mind honestly rip with stories from your past that her answer/emotions evoke after she's done talking and you've asked follow up questions.

Things like
How was your first day at school?
What is your first memory you can remember?
Tell me one thing that has recently made you really happy

etc. you'll never be bored
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8858 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 12:36:19
November 20 2015 12:33 GMT
#15009
yeah you have to ask questions that really show her thoughts and emotions.
questions with one word answers lets you find out basic information about the girl but youll never know what shes REALLY like.
for example, ask her what she does, how she came to do it and what she feels about her career

i work in business so this is quite a frequent conversation starter for me at social events and after hearing their answers, however short or long they may be, ive already got a decent grasp on what kind of person they are. it helps that im usually asking this question to people who probably work in fields that im at least mildly interested in or my work has relation to. you just have to find a deep enough question which you know the any answer you get will still spark your interest somewhat.
depending on the answer alone you can already tell how compatible you may possibly be to this person.
of course theres the element of being able to read people and having overall experience in getting to know people at a deeper level (including seeing through the bullshit), but keep at it and youll see soon enough
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
November 20 2015 13:13 GMT
#15010
On November 20 2015 21:16 LemOn the Dating Advice Jedi wrote:
Eh so much to learn my young padawan learner :D

LOL.

Well I am probably exaggerating a bit, we have obviously talked some other things as well. First date for example, she asked me how my relationship with my family was and how often I went home. Being the honest bloodwhore that I am I responded in extreme truth: I think I answered something how my family are like robots and don't really talk a lot unless we're together and that I don't really go home unless there is a holiday or if someone dies. Heheh.

I think some of those kind of questions are so forced, but I get what you guys are saying.
Like "How was your first day at school?" WHO THE FUCK asks that?.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 20 2015 13:48 GMT
#15011
On November 20 2015 22:13 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 21:16 LemOn the Dating Advice Jedi wrote:
Eh so much to learn my young padawan learner :D

LOL.

Well I am probably exaggerating a bit, we have obviously talked some other things as well. First date for example, she asked me how my relationship with my family was and how often I went home. Being the honest bloodwhore that I am I responded in extreme truth: I think I answered something how my family are like robots and don't really talk a lot unless we're together and that I don't really go home unless there is a holiday or if someone dies. Heheh.

I think some of those kind of questions are so forced, but I get what you guys are saying.
Like "How was your first day at school?" WHO THE FUCK asks that?.


How was your day/week/etc will have her mention her feelings pretty quickly. Pick up on that.

Yeah blurting that out of nowhere seem creepy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 15:09:43
November 20 2015 15:05 GMT
#15012
Few things I recall talking about:
-Atlanta and the places we lived before (childhood)
-Good places to eat
-Fun college memories
-Our coworkers and work (we both just graduated)
-Life goals and how we approach them
-Countries we've visited and we want to visit
-TV shows
-Showed her how to make as chopstick holder out the chopstick wrapper (lol)
-My absolutely lousy sense of direction
-Joking and shitting on each other for basically all of the above (that made it so we could feel each other out more without feeling like it was too serious for a first date)
-Oh, and the only time phones were out were shamelessly instagramming the food (she started it) and showing each other pictures.

Goddamn, this girl needs to respond to my message. Wondering if I should be like CHECK FACEBOOK when I reply to her snapchat. Kind of aggressive I think...

I'm just confused. Despite my limited dating experience, I am like 99% sure that our first date was good at the very minimum. I want to say there was chemistry and that we were both kinda being more cautious about it (plus Asian background and whatnot). Is she just 150% fucking with me? If so, I'd be impressed AF while losing my faith in humanity. Sorry, ranting again.
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 15:47:29
November 20 2015 15:19 GMT
#15013
On November 20 2015 22:13 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 21:16 LemOn the Dating Advice Jedi wrote:
Eh so much to learn my young padawan learner :D

Like "How was your first day at school?" WHO THE FUCK asks that?.

Seriously? That's the very first question I have asked on every single first date once we sat down.

In myPUA phase I'd only ask questions like this to which I had a true fun story of my own ready.
And of course nobody asks that, that's what makes you stand out, it's really fun! Once you get experienced you can really stand out by using quirky questions like this, forcing silence (often awkward) in appropriate times, pushing her boundary then retreating back and withdrawing your attention etc etc. It's all about "emotional velocity" really, key is to make dating fun and lighthearted and the girl emotionally invested... It builds the attraction for her, but also for you! We still keep playing fun games with my current GF, she's a huge troll though

In fact our first date (after some drunken meet in a club) was just that - purposeful awkward silence, me saying "Oh Hey....It's Julia, right?" When she knew all well I know her actual name name. And once we sat down I said. "So...I want to know the one thing about you that will reveal everything,,. (serious long pause with a sigh) How was your first day at school?""

She was really surprised when I told her months later that this was a pre-meditated question I've picked from one of the PUAs and have used on some 5 girls before her, because she's really good at picking up on my bullshit usually and she really liked that question
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
November 20 2015 15:31 GMT
#15014
Yeah i can see her reacting surprised and amused to questions lke that.
This is our town, scrub
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
November 21 2015 10:49 GMT
#15015
FML...
Last wednesday I blew the best chance I've ever had in my entire life! >_>
I was travelling back from Turku (Finland) to Frankfurt (Germany) together with a friend of mine. We had to change planes in Helsinki and on the flight from Turku to Helsinki, a really cute girl was sitting next to me. I was fooling around with my mate and she was laughing almost the whole flight long... Something kept me from flirting with her and now I can't get her out of my head...
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
November 21 2015 11:00 GMT
#15016
On November 21 2015 19:49 JoeCool wrote:
FML...
Last wednesday I blew the best chance I've ever had in my entire life! >_>
I was travelling back from Turku (Finland) to Frankfurt (Germany) together with a friend of mine. We had to change planes in Helsinki and on the flight from Turku to Helsinki, a really cute girl was sitting next to me. I was fooling around with my mate and she was laughing almost the whole flight long... Something kept me from flirting with her and now I can't get her out of my head...


Haha, yeah those will happen, just remember to next time to just go for it. I wouldn't say you blew your best chance either, unless she was writing her number on a piece of paper trying to give it to you and you continuously slapped it out of her hand I think you hyped your "chance" a bit, that would be wasting your best chance .

I had a similar thing about a year ago. Waiting for train going home, I see a cute girl, think "god she is cute". Walk to my seat in the train, she is already sitting next to my spot. I had just discovered the tv series "Man Seeking Woman" and I'm on episode 5 in which a giant japanese penis monster called tanaka appears. I can't contain myself and start laughing like I'm possessed. The girl next to me is laughing. A lady on the other side of the aisle is laughing. Multiple people were laughing just because I was laughing so hard. I shut down the computer because there is no way I could finish the episode without dying of laughter. For the next 1.5 hour I spontaneously start laughing because of that fucking.

I had such a good topic to talk to her about but I never went for it. I thought I'd walk up to her at my stop but a stop before she got off. Such is life. Move on to the next one.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 21 2015 11:18 GMT
#15017
On November 21 2015 19:49 JoeCool wrote:
FML...
Last wednesday I blew the best chance I've ever had in my entire life! >_>
I was travelling back from Turku (Finland) to Frankfurt (Germany) together with a friend of mine. We had to change planes in Helsinki and on the flight from Turku to Helsinki, a really cute girl was sitting next to me. I was fooling around with my mate and she was laughing almost the whole flight long... Something kept me from flirting with her and now I can't get her out of my head...

Seems really irrational not to talk to her.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 21 2015 15:26 GMT
#15018
She probably lives a million miles away from you no worries.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 21 2015 18:16 GMT
#15019
Oh don't exaggerate, it's just a few thousand
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 21 2015 18:30 GMT
#15020
On November 22 2015 03:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Oh don't exaggerate, it's just a few thousand

I'm lazy about going 20 miles north to wingman my friend, imo a few thousand might as well be a million.
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