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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 03 2014 08:20 GMT
#11261
Disagree

If you do interesting things you are no longer a boring person. No one who has traveled around the world and experienced new cultures and made new friends is dull. You may have started off as a boring dull person, but by pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, you will have transformed into a more confident person. It will show.

Disclaimer: Did a solo trip to mongolia and wandered the steppes of war and came back a changed man :D
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
December 03 2014 10:15 GMT
#11262
did you bunker rush there? (sorry had to)
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
December 03 2014 10:57 GMT
#11263
I don't know why you're all telling him to get a hobby when he frequently posts ln TL. Don't you think gaming is his hobby?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
December 03 2014 11:53 GMT
#11264
On December 03 2014 17:20 fishjie wrote:
Disagree

If you do interesting things you are no longer a boring person. No one who has traveled around the world and experienced new cultures and made new friends is dull. You may have started off as a boring dull person, but by pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, you will have transformed into a more confident person. It will show.

I'm pretty sure peeps like Plotinus did tons of interesting things and were still very "boring" people, at least when you would consider dating them. Not all experiences make you "interesting" in the perspective of dating.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 12:05:33
December 03 2014 12:03 GMT
#11265
"I've traveled and I think I'm interesting, therefore no one who has traveled can be dull or boring."

Please reflect for a moment on how lacking that bit of logic is.....

Specific activities do not an interesting man make, rather how that person engages in said activities and incorporates them into his perspective on life. The boring, well-traveled person is very real, as is the exciting and dynamic homebody. Coming up with rigid categories based on non-essential characteristics is part of how nerds overthink interacting with the opposite sex, and it should be avoided.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 03 2014 12:36 GMT
#11266
I have traveled and I don't think I'm interesting (in fact, I think that's the entire problem). I have a friend who went solo backpacking through New Zealand for 6 months among other things and she's one of the most 'boring' people I know.

Traveling doesn't make you interesting just like sitting at home reading a book won't make you boring. It's all about how you present it, both to yourself and to others.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 03 2014 13:47 GMT
#11267
being interesting is all about being able to sell yourself
One can have the most interesting life but if he cant talk about it, nobody will know and it won't matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 03 2014 15:01 GMT
#11268
On December 03 2014 19:15 LeLfe wrote:
did you bunker rush there? (sorry had to)


The 12 drone rush on that map was unreal though.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
December 03 2014 16:47 GMT
#11269
On December 04 2014 00:01 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 19:15 LeLfe wrote:
did you bunker rush there? (sorry had to)


The 12 drone rush on that map was unreal though.

Nightmares tonight...
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 17:39:33
December 03 2014 17:32 GMT
#11270
What a guy!
"
A couple of questions you should always be asking yourself:

"Is this woman the mother of my child?"

"Can I do better?"

"Can I tolerate living with this person for the rest of my life?"
"

turned into this

On December 03 2014 13:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 12:27 Yoz wrote:
On December 03 2014 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Xiphos, have you ever actually performed your recommended "interview process" on a first date before? A set up where you "make SURE that you guys are on the same page for various of subject such as sexually, general life philosophy, hobbies, world interests, etc."? I'm honestly curious how such a date goes, since you sound like you're a boss interviewing a possible employee and totally sapping the romance out of a first date. Do you actually have a checklist and rate a new girl or something? Because according to you, your hypothetical date will 99% of the time end with you saying "I'm sorry, we're not compatible; there's no need for us to waste our time with a second date. Have a nice life." Is that what actually happens? You shake hands and go your separate ways or something? It sounds very Sheldon Cooper-esque.


You don't have to specifically state a question and wait for a response in order to get information. It would be like a job interviewer asking you, "Do you have excellent computer skills, yes or no? Do you know how to use the photocopier, yes or no?" and taking the responses at face value.

You can subtly lead a conversation into almost any direction and generally speaking there is no real need to ask an outright specific question to get the answer you want. It's why job interviewers ask questions that try and get you to outline your thought process and/or use examples from your past to get a better idea of the candidate's suitability.


I agree; I just don't think that the three answers you need to know by the end of your first date- regardless of how old or experienced you are- are "Is this woman the mother of my child?", "Can I do better?", and "Can I tolerate living with this person for the rest of my life?", which is what Xiphos said.


But listen, the examples I've used was only to screen our general interest and future prospect.

You can easily separate girls w/ motherly qualities and girls w/o even on the first date.

Ask her about her family structure, is she the older sibling?

Ask her about any volunteer/charity work that she participate in.

Does she have any pets? If so, how does she take care of it?

When she doesn't have experience in taking care of younger siblings/another being and doesn't care about the world in a positive manner, you can easily speculate whether or not she will be a responsible mother or not.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 18:10:37
December 03 2014 18:09 GMT
#11271
On December 04 2014 02:32 Xiphos wrote:
What a guy!
"
A couple of questions you should always be asking yourself:

"Is this woman the mother of my child?"

"Can I do better?"

"Can I tolerate living with this person for the rest of my life?"
"

turned into this

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 13:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 03 2014 12:27 Yoz wrote:
On December 03 2014 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Xiphos, have you ever actually performed your recommended "interview process" on a first date before? A set up where you "make SURE that you guys are on the same page for various of subject such as sexually, general life philosophy, hobbies, world interests, etc."? I'm honestly curious how such a date goes, since you sound like you're a boss interviewing a possible employee and totally sapping the romance out of a first date. Do you actually have a checklist and rate a new girl or something? Because according to you, your hypothetical date will 99% of the time end with you saying "I'm sorry, we're not compatible; there's no need for us to waste our time with a second date. Have a nice life." Is that what actually happens? You shake hands and go your separate ways or something? It sounds very Sheldon Cooper-esque.


You don't have to specifically state a question and wait for a response in order to get information. It would be like a job interviewer asking you, "Do you have excellent computer skills, yes or no? Do you know how to use the photocopier, yes or no?" and taking the responses at face value.

You can subtly lead a conversation into almost any direction and generally speaking there is no real need to ask an outright specific question to get the answer you want. It's why job interviewers ask questions that try and get you to outline your thought process and/or use examples from your past to get a better idea of the candidate's suitability.


I agree; I just don't think that the three answers you need to know by the end of your first date- regardless of how old or experienced you are- are "Is this woman the mother of my child?", "Can I do better?", and "Can I tolerate living with this person for the rest of my life?", which is what Xiphos said.



Um, exactly? Did you read what you wrote? You said you should always be asking yourself those 3 questions, and you said that to a person who hadn't even had a first official date yet with this girl he was thinking about. Don't take this out of context. That was the advice you gave someone who wanted to enter into a relationship (while he was still in school, mind you), not someone who's been dating his girlfriend for a few months or years and is thinking about settling down.

Your advice of those three questions is great for that small group of people (dating someone for a while, older and self-sufficient enough to be thinking about marriage and kids), but not for the vast majority of TLers or young daters- and especially not for the person who you replied to. Give him relevant advice. Some people aren't prepared to think 10+ years down the road, nor should they always need to.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
December 03 2014 22:22 GMT
#11272
I'm trying to set two of my friends up, but both of them are loath to come out of their house and take any sort of initiative. They really are the sort of people that need to be told what to do before they realize their opportunities. I was thinking I would need to find interactions for them that could be framed as having a romantic dimension, because if I just put them in a room together they will merely have polite conversation while being too shy to do anything else. It's kind of complex. :o
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Slayers_Red.Cracker
Profile Joined March 2011
36 Posts
December 03 2014 22:57 GMT
#11273
On December 03 2014 22:47 Erasme wrote:
being interesting is all about being able to sell yourself
One can have the most interesting life but if he cant talk about it, nobody will know and it won't matter


Nah people that try too hard to sell themselves are superficial and not interesting. Generally you find that people "go along" with the superficial bullshit, because it's the way of least resistance, but behind their backs the world is making fun of the people that have to brag about how interesting they are.

If you wanna be interesting, just go do shit with other people, have fun, get into situations. Your friends will say stuff about the awesome shit they did with you, just like you talk about the awesome shit you did with your friends. When people start asking you about whether it's really true, and when you don't really feel the need to prove it, but you're also not denying the story, that's when you start to become interesting.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
December 03 2014 23:58 GMT
#11274
I agree with Red.Cracker. It's not about selling yourself, it's about having a good product, and making "customers" aware that the product exists.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 04 2014 00:23 GMT
#11275
I think selling yourself might have been the wrong choice of words, but the right idea. Like he said, you can do the most interesting things, but if you can't talk about them in a way that people can relate to or get excited about then it doesn't make you any more interesting.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
December 04 2014 00:40 GMT
#11276
In that case I agree with you. However, too often I see people focus on the marketing side of things rather than the product side of things. If you already have a product then marketing is great.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
December 04 2014 01:11 GMT
#11277
On December 04 2014 07:22 Grumbels wrote:
I'm trying to set two of my friends up, but both of them are loath to come out of their house and take any sort of initiative. They really are the sort of people that need to be told what to do before they realize their opportunities. I was thinking I would need to find interactions for them that could be framed as having a romantic dimension, because if I just put them in a room together they will merely have polite conversation while being too shy to do anything else. It's kind of complex. :o


Honestly it sounds like you're trying to force something that just isn't going to happen based on their personalities. I love playing matchmaker, but they need to be willing participants :/ I'd leave it alone.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
December 04 2014 01:45 GMT
#11278
I see a lot of recent posts about selling myself, but I'm not sure how much to charge per hour. Can someone give advice on this?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
December 04 2014 01:52 GMT
#11279
On December 04 2014 10:45 Epishade wrote:
I see a lot of recent posts about selling myself, but I'm not sure how much to charge per hour. Can someone give advice on this?


Depends on which street corner you're going to turn tricks.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18160 Posts
December 04 2014 01:58 GMT
#11280
On December 04 2014 09:40 WarSame wrote:
In that case I agree with you. However, too often I see people focus on the marketing side of things rather than the product side of things. If you already have a product then marketing is great.

That's just the thing, though. Almost everyone has a product. Maybe their product isn't for you, but their product is for someone. However, most people have absolutely no idea how to market themselves even to their target audience.

And this metaphor is about as stretched as it can get without breaking, but hopefully the point is clear. Even the person who sits at home and watches reruns of Lost ad infinitum has something interesting to talk about with somebody (although it wouldn't be me), and if he spins a good story about his life, and can talk engagingly about the stuff he likes to do, THAT makes him interesting, not the activities. Although obviously doing things that a lot of people (the general public) find interesting helps with spinning an interesting story. It is simply easier to engage people when talking about how awesome your trip to Australia was than it is when explaining why S05E14 is the best episode of Lost.
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