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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
January 07 2014 21:41 GMT
#7401
On January 08 2014 06:07 rezoacken wrote:
Texting someone after 4 years is usually not a very good idea.

As to options you can:
-Keep going to parties and avoid the guy you don't like, or ignore his jokes, or twist them around to your advantage. And talk to the girls there.
-Talk to the ones in your activities outside school
-Ask friends (preferably female friends) if they can hook you up. Not just for prom, a real date.

What does "ldr" mean ?

Show nested quote +
You might touched on a thing that interests me, is probably come off as "cool" to others, and I could probably be quite passionate about it, and it's music, especially composing something. My idol is somewhat of a music producer as well, so you might say "that's it then!", but that's not how it works. We're back to the "I'm 22" topic, and who the fuck starts learning any musical instruments after their 20s, especially if thir motoric skills are bad. You can check up every musician's bio, it stats with "He/She started playing the piano/drums/guitar/bass when he/she was 6". And producing music is kinda hard if you can't actually make music.


Pfff bullshit. There's no age to learn an instrument. Sure you might not become a rock star or a producer but who cares, you either want to play and age is irrelevant or you don't.
And people learning at 6 are good because between 6 and 25 there are freaking 19years. Of course there is no way you can be as good in 2years at 22.

Hmm I think you are right about texting. We do have a few things in common though: we both really care about school, we both do medical research at the local university, I did know her for like 6 years before I stopped talking to her (though that could be more of a bad thing), and most importantly her friend group seems to overlap somewhat with my group. My friend sent her a snapchat of me and him to her recently and she seemed pretty excited, and back when I talked to her she was usually the one to text me (but hell, we were like 13-14). At the same time I don't know if she is seeing someone else or isn't interested. If I know any girls in my peer group who are probably worth the time in actually having a relationship, she is it, though. I guess I can talk to my friends and ask about her.

The thing about the friend is that if I avoid him I wouldn't know many people. I don't really go to parties with him as-is, but I've been with him while I try to talk to girls before. I could probably ask him to take me to one, but it sounds nerve-wracking to show up to a party and only know one guy that you intend to stay away from and to try to chat up girls that literally have no clue who you are.

About activities outside of school, it is really only academic team competitions where I come into contact with girls. It's kind of hard to approach someone there because typically all the time is spent playing against each other, when you can't talk outside of answering, or chilling with your team. And there are only like 4-5 tournaments left in the year. My team is always playing and I am always playing and busy because I'm the captain and we always make it to the finals *flexes epeen*

I was kind of just wondering if there were an alternative option when it comes to meeting more girls. Yeah I could ask my friends who don't go to parties but still have girlfriends to introduce me to their girlfriends' friends for a date, but I was hoping for an approach that would not be as potentially awkward. I know awkward is all in your head, but still. I think I will try to find out about that girl I mentioned previously though, she seems to be my best option.

LDR stands for long-distance relationship by the way
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 07 2014 21:47 GMT
#7402
I don't see why 4 years passing is a reason not to text someone. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend getting your hopes up, but if you haven't talked in that long and you used to be good friends then it's a good excuse to catch up. Worst case scenario they don't really remember you and just ignore the text, nothing lost.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
January 07 2014 22:01 GMT
#7403
On January 08 2014 06:41 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 06:07 rezoacken wrote:
Texting someone after 4 years is usually not a very good idea.

As to options you can:
-Keep going to parties and avoid the guy you don't like, or ignore his jokes, or twist them around to your advantage. And talk to the girls there.
-Talk to the ones in your activities outside school
-Ask friends (preferably female friends) if they can hook you up. Not just for prom, a real date.

What does "ldr" mean ?

You might touched on a thing that interests me, is probably come off as "cool" to others, and I could probably be quite passionate about it, and it's music, especially composing something. My idol is somewhat of a music producer as well, so you might say "that's it then!", but that's not how it works. We're back to the "I'm 22" topic, and who the fuck starts learning any musical instruments after their 20s, especially if thir motoric skills are bad. You can check up every musician's bio, it stats with "He/She started playing the piano/drums/guitar/bass when he/she was 6". And producing music is kinda hard if you can't actually make music.


Pfff bullshit. There's no age to learn an instrument. Sure you might not become a rock star or a producer but who cares, you either want to play and age is irrelevant or you don't.
And people learning at 6 are good because between 6 and 25 there are freaking 19years. Of course there is no way you can be as good in 2years at 22.

Hmm I think you are right about texting. We do have a few things in common though: we both really care about school, we both do medical research at the local university, I did know her for like 6 years before I stopped talking to her (though that could be more of a bad thing), and most importantly her friend group seems to overlap somewhat with my group. My friend sent her a snapchat of me and him to her recently and she seemed pretty excited, and back when I talked to her she was usually the one to text me (but hell, we were like 13-14). At the same time I don't know if she is seeing someone else or isn't interested. If I know any girls in my peer group who are probably worth the time in actually having a relationship, she is it, though. I guess I can talk to my friends and ask about her.

The thing about the friend is that if I avoid him I wouldn't know many people. I don't really go to parties with him as-is, but I've been with him while I try to talk to girls before. I could probably ask him to take me to one, but it sounds nerve-wracking to show up to a party and only know one guy that you intend to stay away from and to try to chat up girls that literally have no clue who you are.

About activities outside of school, it is really only academic team competitions where I come into contact with girls. It's kind of hard to approach someone there because typically all the time is spent playing against each other, when you can't talk outside of answering, or chilling with your team. And there are only like 4-5 tournaments left in the year. My team is always playing and I am always playing and busy because I'm the captain and we always make it to the finals *flexes epeen*

I was kind of just wondering if there were an alternative option when it comes to meeting more girls. Yeah I could ask my friends who don't go to parties but still have girlfriends to introduce me to their girlfriends' friends for a date, but I was hoping for an approach that would not be as potentially awkward. I know awkward is all in your head, but still. I think I will try to find out about that girl I mentioned previously though, she seems to be my best option.

LDR stands for long-distance relationship by the way


Well that changes some stuff if you knew her for 6 years. I thought you barely knew her at 13. You can give it a shot, or a direct call.

Awkward is all in your head and the head of a 17yo is full of awkward.

For parties do your friends with girlfriends never go to any party either ? I mean you don't have a lot of option here:
Option A: You find more friends to go to parties with in order to be more comfortable.
Option B: You get the nerves to go to groups you don't know and enjoy the party with them. If you want you can start small and approach groups only to chat or do activities with in the party (pools, drinking games, party video games, party games etc) with the only intention to have fun. Maybe you'll make some good friends along the way that will transit into Option A or you will meet a girl right on the spot.

For tournaments you can chat with them at the end of a match maybe ?
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
January 07 2014 22:05 GMT
#7404
On January 08 2014 06:07 rezoacken wrote:
Show nested quote +
You might touched on a thing that interests me, is probably come off as "cool" to others, and I could probably be quite passionate about it, and it's music, especially composing something. My idol is somewhat of a music producer as well, so you might say "that's it then!", but that's not how it works. We're back to the "I'm 22" topic, and who the fuck starts learning any musical instruments after their 20s, especially if thir motoric skills are bad. You can check up every musician's bio, it stats with "He/She started playing the piano/drums/guitar/bass when he/she was 6". And producing music is kinda hard if you can't actually make music.


Pfff bullshit. There's no age to learn an instrument. Sure you might not become a rock star or a producer but who cares, you either want to play and age is irrelevant or you don't.
And people learning at 6 are good because between 6 and 25 there are freaking 19years. Of course there is no way you can be as good in 2years at 22.

At the college I went to, it was mandatory for everyone to take piano. In 4 years, I watched some of my friends go from not knowing what notes were on the keyboard to.. well, being pretty damn good. I personally had maybe 2 years of light experience going in and I learned over twice as much in 1 semester just by taking it more seriously. He's right, there's no right age to start learning an instrument, it only takes dedication.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 07 2014 22:31 GMT
#7405
On January 08 2014 06:41 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 06:07 rezoacken wrote:
Texting someone after 4 years is usually not a very good idea.

As to options you can:
-Keep going to parties and avoid the guy you don't like, or ignore his jokes, or twist them around to your advantage. And talk to the girls there.
-Talk to the ones in your activities outside school
-Ask friends (preferably female friends) if they can hook you up. Not just for prom, a real date.

What does "ldr" mean ?

You might touched on a thing that interests me, is probably come off as "cool" to others, and I could probably be quite passionate about it, and it's music, especially composing something. My idol is somewhat of a music producer as well, so you might say "that's it then!", but that's not how it works. We're back to the "I'm 22" topic, and who the fuck starts learning any musical instruments after their 20s, especially if thir motoric skills are bad. You can check up every musician's bio, it stats with "He/She started playing the piano/drums/guitar/bass when he/she was 6". And producing music is kinda hard if you can't actually make music.


Pfff bullshit. There's no age to learn an instrument. Sure you might not become a rock star or a producer but who cares, you either want to play and age is irrelevant or you don't.
And people learning at 6 are good because between 6 and 25 there are freaking 19years. Of course there is no way you can be as good in 2years at 22.

Hmm I think you are right about texting. We do have a few things in common though: we both really care about school, we both do medical research at the local university, I did know her for like 6 years before I stopped talking to her (though that could be more of a bad thing), and most importantly her friend group seems to overlap somewhat with my group. My friend sent her a snapchat of me and him to her recently and she seemed pretty excited, and back when I talked to her she was usually the one to text me (but hell, we were like 13-14). At the same time I don't know if she is seeing someone else or isn't interested. If I know any girls in my peer group who are probably worth the time in actually having a relationship, she is it, though. I guess I can talk to my friends and ask about her.

The thing about the friend is that if I avoid him I wouldn't know many people. I don't really go to parties with him as-is, but I've been with him while I try to talk to girls before. I could probably ask him to take me to one, but it sounds nerve-wracking to show up to a party and only know one guy that you intend to stay away from and to try to chat up girls that literally have no clue who you are.

About activities outside of school, it is really only academic team competitions where I come into contact with girls. It's kind of hard to approach someone there because typically all the time is spent playing against each other, when you can't talk outside of answering, or chilling with your team. And there are only like 4-5 tournaments left in the year. My team is always playing and I am always playing and busy because I'm the captain and we always make it to the finals *flexes epeen*

I was kind of just wondering if there were an alternative option when it comes to meeting more girls. Yeah I could ask my friends who don't go to parties but still have girlfriends to introduce me to their girlfriends' friends for a date, but I was hoping for an approach that would not be as potentially awkward. I know awkward is all in your head, but still. I think I will try to find out about that girl I mentioned previously though, she seems to be my best option.

LDR stands for long-distance relationship by the way


Honestly dude, who cares about high school? In 8 months you will be at a college where you can actually have meaningful relationships with people rather than the juvenile bullshit that goes on in high school.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
January 07 2014 22:37 GMT
#7406
It is important for my parents that I go to prom. Nobody ever asked my mom's best friend, and even though I don't give two shits about prom my parents want me to go so that no girl has to feel like her (which is a fucking retarded reason, but whatever). If I don't find someone, either they will or they will make me feel like a loser.

I am definitely looking forward to college but I don't want to get ahead of myself.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
January 07 2014 22:53 GMT
#7407
That's pretty messed up to be honest.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
January 07 2014 23:15 GMT
#7408
On January 08 2014 07:37 Chocolate wrote:
It is important for my parents that I go to prom. Nobody ever asked my mom's best friend, and even though I don't give two shits about prom my parents want me to go so that no girl has to feel like her (which is a fucking retarded reason, but whatever). If I don't find someone, either they will or they will make me feel like a loser.

I am definitely looking forward to college but I don't want to get ahead of myself.


My parents said i wasnt allowed to go to prom. And if i really really wanted to, they wpuld allow me to take a girl from church who was 6 years older than me an my parents faithful watchdog to make sure nothing happened. Thats fucked up.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 23:36:43
January 07 2014 23:36 GMT
#7409
On January 08 2014 08:15 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 07:37 Chocolate wrote:
It is important for my parents that I go to prom. Nobody ever asked my mom's best friend, and even though I don't give two shits about prom my parents want me to go so that no girl has to feel like her (which is a fucking retarded reason, but whatever). If I don't find someone, either they will or they will make me feel like a loser.

I am definitely looking forward to college but I don't want to get ahead of myself.


My parents said i wasnt allowed to go to prom. And if i really really wanted to, they wpuld allow me to take a girl from church who was 6 years older than me an my parents faithful watchdog to make sure nothing happened. Thats fucked up.


6 years older than you? Nice.
+ Show Spoiler +
south park
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 00:42:48
January 08 2014 00:39 GMT
#7410
Im not even lieing

+ Show Spoiler +
i never watched south park so i probably missed something...
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 00:49:13
January 08 2014 00:49 GMT
#7411
Not so surprising considering your parent were worried about prom corrupting you :/
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 00:55:44
January 08 2014 00:55 GMT
#7412
On January 08 2014 09:39 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Im not even lieing

+ Show Spoiler +
i never watched south park so i probably missed something...


It's an episode where an older woman in love with a younger guy (specifically a teacher with Ike, a child)and instead of prosecuting her everyone is just like "Nice."
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 01:07:44
January 08 2014 01:06 GMT
#7413
On January 08 2014 05:13 Volband wrote:

@chadissilent:
Show nested quote +
If you're not happy with yourself, you won't be truly happy with someone else. You'll start to rely on them for happiness and will be miserable when they aren't around. That's not healthy for a relationship. That doesn't mean you shouldn't want someone in your life, but your happiness shouldn't be dependent on that.

From my rather short lived experience, I have to disagree with you on this. When I felt things are woking out and I'm in some kind of a romantic relationship, I suddenly became much more active and confident. I was getting more social with my friends - while usually I like to remain/act forgotten -, I decided to go to the gym, and things like that. Now I kinda slumped back where I was, but I still go to the gym, and still have some of that newly gained motivation, though I'm not doing much with it, just asking pretty much asking around here.

That's called using your relationship as a crutch for your happiness. It's natural to want to be with someone but you can base your emotions on that. That is often a huge cause of unhealthy relationships. My ex was like that, her happiness was dependent on me. The second I had a rough day or wasn't in a good mood, her mood would turn sour and she'd start looking for other guys' attention to feel good again. I ended up catching her cheating and dumped the bitch.
Show nested quote +
You need to have passions and interests. Check out interesting things online, read lots. I haven't watched cable TV in probably 4-5 years other than hockey games but guess what? I'm passionate about hockey and love talking about it. Instead of watching TV, do some reading. What do you like? Read about it, find out more, what's cool about the stuff you like?

What do you mean by I should read? Like, the background of things I'm interested in, or you mean those things called books? I have a hard time imagining a scenario, when I blast something like "Oh yeah, Orwell wrote once, that..." on a date.

I haven't read a book in almost 2 years and it was Anthony Kiedis' autobiography while I was chillin on the beach in Thailand. By reading, I mean just look up cool shit, read about things that interest you. You said you're interested in music? Look up books on production, watch YouTube videos, etc.
Show nested quote +
I love music of all sorts. I have been playing guitar for 15+ years. Lately I have taken an interest in electronic music. Beyond simply enjoying it, I decided I wanted to make it as well. I started learning about production, composition, arrangement, and have taken my musicality to another level. It's something I can do during quiet time on my computer, but I'm being productive and learning new things and the initial cost is very low..

You might touched on a thing that interests me, is probably come off as "cool" to others, and I could probably be quite passionate about it, and it's music, especially composing something. My idol is somewhat of a music producer as well, so you might say "that's it then!", but that's not how it works. We're back to the "I'm 22" topic, and who the fuck starts learning any musical instruments after their 20s, especially if thir motoric skills are bad. You can check up every musician's bio, it stats with "He/She started playing the piano/drums/guitar/bass when he/she was 6". And producing music is kinda hard if you can't actually make music.

I wish I was talented in something, or at least being gifted with something I just had to perfect, like having a good voice. I'm that person who struggles with the negative thoughts you can read out from almost all of my posts in this thread, but makes everyone smile on the outside.

My voice is a mix between Fergie and Jesus, in a bad way. I started learning production software just over a year ago, today marks the one year anniversary of the first track I "finished."

After one year of learning, my sound is beginning to reach levels acceptable for legitimate releases. I'm currently sitting top 40 in a beatport remix contest with over 600 submissions with only having 2 friends vote for me. I was 25 when I started to learn this, without having ever played a piano in my life. At 22, you basically have 4 years to learn this stuff before you're my age. If I can learn that much in 1 year, you should be heads and tails better than me when you reach my age. Being 22 is not an excuse.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
January 08 2014 01:30 GMT
#7414
Calanthe, that is a very good analysis.
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Calanthe
Profile Joined October 2012
United States147 Posts
January 08 2014 03:32 GMT
#7415
Thank you, WarSame. Most of what he has is good - it's straightforward and honest and it doesn't feel forced, which is great. There was a really good thread on SomethingAwful in which everyone critiqued each other's online dating profiles. I gleaned a lot from that. Sadly, the thread's been closed and archived, so you'll need the :20bux: upgrade to view it now.

I just came across this comment on reddit and thought that it would be beneficial here. Enjoy:

I just want to preface this with a disclaimer: This is MY approach, which has been exceedingly successful in enriching my life with the company of amazing, attractive and worthwhile women. While your results may vary based on environment, execution and other variables, this is not so much about how you do it as why you do it, and your general attitude concerning personal interactions with people you find interesting.

Perhaps the most important position to adopt is not to be too deterministic about approaching strangers. Approaching a stranger with dating/sex as your primary motivator is putting the cart before the horse a bit. Your first motivation should be simply to interact successfully. That means just being good company and enjoying good company for their own sake. That nervousness you feel when approaching a woman, that you don't feel when you talk to a guy? That's what I'm talking about.

The people who find cold approaches most easy and successful are people who are simply happy to be good company to anyone they talk to, male or female. This general air of friendliness and approachability bypasses the "salesman awareness" we all have (the feeling that triggers, for instance, when you get a phone call and you KNOW they're trying to sell you something, and you just want them to go away). It's "I'm not asking anything from you but some pleasant conversation, and I'm not offering anything more than that either (at this point)." When your goal is simply good company, if all you get out of your interaction is some pleasant conversation with an attractive person, you're still WAY ahead, and you don't feel defeated or terrible about yourself when it doesn't go well. You just roll on to the next pleasant conversation with the next attractive person, rather than feel like you just blew your shot with "the one." When you lower the stakes, you risk less and still get the enjoyment of the game, and it's a lot easier for a woman to reject your approach if she thinks you're just trying to fuck her or con her into a date (which is often just pretext for trying to fuck her).

This shift in objective gives you time to determine if this person is someone you actually WANT to know more about, and I promise you that anyone worth having is going to appreciate that opportunity to do the same. You'll find that, in many cases, the person you cold-approach ends up having nothing going on, or raising red flags that you'll be glad you gave her time to reveal before you took it further. We're not talking about a half-hour here-- If you can find a way to keep her attention for five minutes or more, you usually have a LOT more usable information about her suitability than if you just said something nice about her hair and gave her your number.

If you find, after a comfortable amount of chit-chat, that she's worth your time, don't overstay your welcome. Find a natural reason to take off while there's still a little momentum in the discourse (usually looking at the time and saying "Oh, damn, I've got to run" will do the trick), and suggest some means of non-invasive interaction. A phone number is fine, but email is perfectly good too. Just some way of communicating that you enjoyed your chat and would like to continue the interaction later when you've both got time. If she gives you a phone number, text her right there and then. If it's a fake, you know right away and save yourself a lot of hassle. If it's not, now she has YOUR number and the door is open for HER to initiate further contact at her convenience.

Overall, this advice is only useful if you're looking for the company of a worthwhile person that could potentially become an ongoing dating/relationship situation. If you're just looking to get laid, you might find that cold-approaching outside of situations that advance that agenda (clubs, bars, etc) is going to produce mixed results (and invite a lot of chaos and crazy drama into your life).

In any case, good luck.

TL;DR: The world doesn't need another pick-up technician, but it definitely needs more good company. Be good company. People like good company. After that, the rest handles itself.


Emphasis mine. Original comment here.
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LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
January 09 2014 09:02 GMT
#7416
I am so fucking sick of the fucking games people feel the need to play with relationships and shit. Jesus Christ.
:-)
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
January 09 2014 11:15 GMT
#7417
On January 09 2014 18:02 LeeDawg wrote:
I am so fucking sick of the fucking games people feel the need to play with relationships and shit. Jesus Christ.

You have obviously transcended to a whole other level of complete mastery of women and relationships the rest of us can only dream of, where you can look down upon the rest of us with disgust and contempt.

Either that, or you have a girlfriend and an inflated ego.
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
January 09 2014 11:16 GMT
#7418
On January 09 2014 18:02 LeeDawg wrote:
I am so fucking sick of the fucking games people feel the need to play with relationships and shit. Jesus Christ.


whatever. I'm over it now.
:-)
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
January 09 2014 11:17 GMT
#7419
On January 09 2014 20:15 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 18:02 LeeDawg wrote:
I am so fucking sick of the fucking games people feel the need to play with relationships and shit. Jesus Christ.

You have obviously transcended to a whole other level of complete mastery of women and relationships the rest of us can only dream of, where you can look down upon the rest of us with disgust and contempt.

Either that, or you have a girlfriend and an inflated ego.


neither of them, actually. Just got out of a confusing situation with a girl who, in retrospect, seemed to want to manipulate me to do what she wanted. first girl I've felt something for in years too... OH WELL
:-)
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
January 09 2014 11:22 GMT
#7420
Ah, okay. Sorry for flaming you, buddy. I misunderstood. You came to the right place
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