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On June 01 2013 11:36 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:27 Killscreen wrote:
You want peer reviewed journals? I thought the standard for evidence was pictures of statues? How bout you find a peer reviewed journal that demonstrates that that statue was attractive at some point in time and then we'll talk. You are the one making the wild claims in conflict with generally accepted theory. Burden of proof lies on you. However, I shall humor you: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1548559506001066P.S.: The Venus of Willendorf is probably one of the best known fertility symbols. EDIT: @ r.EVO - I agree completely, but that at the same time disproves the whole caveman theory Killscreen has got going on. Also, as stated earlier, the body type of skinny girls is really not ideal for guaranteeing the best off-spring. Just like being obese is not good, neither is being that skinny, yet the majority of us (myself included) will prefer a woman in the normal BMI-range to one in the 25-30 range (despite the 25-30 actually being better for pregnancy).
No, burden of proof is yours. I cant prove a negative.
The abstract states: "The scarcity of food throughout most of history had led to connotations that being fat was good, and that corpulence and increased “flesh” were desirable as reflected in the arts, literature, and medical opinion of the times. ", which I assume is what you're referring to.
Increased flesh and corpulence could still be a hourglass shape, although I'd need to see the entire article. I didnt say slim or thin, i said hourglass shape and facial features that correlate with fertility. You need to prove that at some point in time, some culture somewhere had a beauty standard where they favored women with a hip to waist ratio greater than 1. It also doesn't specify if the increased flesh ideal applied to men or women or both.
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On June 01 2013 12:21 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:36 Ghostcom wrote:On June 01 2013 11:27 Killscreen wrote:
You want peer reviewed journals? I thought the standard for evidence was pictures of statues? How bout you find a peer reviewed journal that demonstrates that that statue was attractive at some point in time and then we'll talk. You are the one making the wild claims in conflict with generally accepted theory. Burden of proof lies on you. However, I shall humor you: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1548559506001066P.S.: The Venus of Willendorf is probably one of the best known fertility symbols. EDIT: @ r.EVO - I agree completely, but that at the same time disproves the whole caveman theory Killscreen has got going on. Also, as stated earlier, the body type of skinny girls is really not ideal for guaranteeing the best off-spring. Just like being obese is not good, neither is being that skinny, yet the majority of us (myself included) will prefer a woman in the normal BMI-range to one in the 25-30 range (despite the 25-30 actually being better for pregnancy). No, burden of proof is yours. I cant prove a negative. The abstract states: "The scarcity of food throughout most of history had led to connotations that being fat was good, and that corpulence and increased “flesh” were desirable as reflected in the arts, literature, and medical opinion of the times. ", which I assume is what you're referring to. Increased flesh and corpulence could still be a hourglass shape, although I'd need to see the entire article. I didnt say slim or thin, i said hourglass shape and facial features that correlate with fertility. You need to prove that at some point in time, some culture somewhere had a beauty standard where they favored women with a hip to waist ratio greater than 1. It also doesn't specify if the increased flesh ideal applied to men or women or both.
You are now trying to alter the premises of the argument which is bullshit. Here is the direct quote to which you objected:
On June 01 2013 10:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
if sexual selection was just biological/genetical then the idealised body type would not have changed through history or differed between cultures. however, it has, and does.
I have given you an example of how Liquid'Drone was correct. The difference between preferred bodytype is even used as an argument as to why African-american women are far more obese than Caucasian or Asian.
Your claim that the ideal bodytype has been the same throughout history and across cultures is in direct conflict with accepted theories and what we can observe.
Saying that you can't prove a negative when making a wild claim does not suddenly move the burden of proof to me - that just means you are unable to formulate your hypothesis in a way in which it can be falsified and thus the hypothesis really should just be ignored.
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And no, significantly different bodytype is not hourglass or non-hourglass however much you want to make it that.
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Im not altering anything.
I wrote
On June 01 2013 11:01 Killscreen wrote:
Citation please. I dont believe it has, not drastically. Are there significant differences across cultures today?
An hourglass figure, and facial features that correlate with fertility. I dont think you will find much deviation from that.
Which you have not disproven, is not a wild claim, and is falsifiable.
Obviously there will be marginal differences. According to wikipedia, ideal hip to waist ratios vary from 0.6 to 0.9 accross modern cultures. For you to disprove what I said, provide me with proof that at some point in time, men were sexually attracted to women with a hip to waist ratio > 1.
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Can we make a rule where anyone who posts here and doesn't talk a tangible experience they or someone else had with members of the opposite sex (or whichever sex they are attracted to) gets a warning/ban?
I met a super cute girl at my internship which I started on tuesday. We're both interns but I think she's a grad student and I'm about to start my junior year in undergrad. We talked a bit on the first day, and I got a nice impression of her. But since we work on different projects (the company is pretty big) I haven't seen her or talked to her much since. I could email her, but that would probably come off as a little weird. So I think next time I see her I'll ask her out to something and see what comes of it.
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On June 01 2013 12:54 Killscreen wrote:Im not altering anything. I wrote Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 11:01 Killscreen wrote:
Citation please. I dont believe it has, not drastically. Are there significant differences across cultures today?
An hourglass figure, and facial features that correlate with fertility. I dont think you will find much deviation from that. Which you have not disproven, is not a wild claim, and is falsifiable. Obviously there will be marginal differences. According to wikipedia, ideal hip to waist ratios vary from 0.6 to 0.9 accross modern cultures. For you to disprove what I said, provide me with proof that at some point in time, men were sexually attracted to women with a hip to waist ratio > 1.
It is not what I set out to disprove however. I set out to prove Liquid'Drone right, that idealised bodytype has differed through time and across culture. That was the claim you objected towards right? Or why else would you write:
Citation please. I dont believe it has, not drastically. Are there significant differences across cultures today?
Furthermore your definition of hourglass figure is not in line with the general accepted one which is that hip and bust are of almost equal size. What you are asking me to prove is that at one point apple-shaped women were the most attractive. That is vastly different from your initial claim.
I will concede that generally a narrow waist has been preferred (not that I ever stated it wasn't), that however does not equal an hourglass figure. We are really straying rather far off-topic so I'll end here and hope for more advice-seeking or self-pity from a poor soul out there.
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on the subject of actual dating, a friend of mine has a dilemma. Basically he has a gf (but more on that later), who is at this point in time, highschool and now the pre-college summer era of our lives, more popular than he; generally she is viewed in better social standing. She isn't anything special in my eyes, and she isn't all that nice or attractive to be with in my opinion. I kind of dislike her actually. He doesn't see it that way, he was madly infatuated with her. They plan to go to college together, and then at least in the same state, and then about a day trip away, and now she says fuck all that you can have me till summer's done and then no more. She had promised him better days a while ago, after the relationship became hard when she became sick, he stuck around hoping that promise would come true or at the very least they would be see better days in general, when she became well again. She threw all that down the drain and gave him the ultimatum of dating her till summers end or not at all. He asked me which he should pick, I told him I couldn't give him the answer, but that I felt for him and if it were up to me, I'd get out. What should he do? I asked my gf, she said the same as I did, so did every parental figure I asked. What do you guys think? I don't think I've asked this yet in here, but now that summer is in full swing, I though I would.
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On June 01 2013 13:30 docvoc wrote:
on the subject of actual dating, a friend of mine has a dilemma. Basically he has a gf (but more on that later), who is at this point in time, highschool and now the pre-college summer era of our lives, more popular than he; generally she is viewed in better social standing. She isn't anything special in my eyes, and she isn't all that nice or attractive to be with in my opinion. I kind of dislike her actually. He doesn't see it that way, he was madly infatuated with her. They plan to go to college together, and then at least in the same state, and then about a day trip away, and now she says fuck all that you can have me till summer's done and then no more. She had promised him better days a while ago, after the relationship became hard when she became sick, he stuck around hoping that promise would come true or at the very least they would be see better days in general, when she became well again. She threw all that down the drain and gave him the ultimatum of dating her till summers end or not at all. He asked me which he should pick, I told him I couldn't give him the answer, but that I felt for him and if it were up to me, I'd get out. What should he do? I asked my gf, she said the same as I did, so did every parental figure I asked. What do you guys think? I don't think I've asked this yet in here, but now that summer is in full swing, I though I would.
Up to him. Does he want to have a thing while it lasts and then accept that it's going to end. "Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all". Either way he's going to be depressed about the situation eventually, whether he wants it now or later is the real question.
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Not at all. Her loss, not his. What would he even gain from dating her through the summer? Why is it a privilege to be with someone you know is going to leave you? She is an idiot for making it sound like an option of dating her through the summer, he would be a bigger idiot for buying it.
EDIT: @Zooper: I do not think this really qualifies as "loved" and I think the pain will only be worse by prolonging it. But I guess you are right.
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guess it depends on how bad he is at obtaining women? Could hatefuck this girl for the summer if he can't get anything else or just be like lol nah and find something else if thats an option
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What's a relationship?
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On June 01 2013 09:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 07:52 Killscreen wrote:
It's more a set of personality traits and how you carry yourself; first and foremost being dominant and not submissive. How you dress/look isn't really a big part of it. God forbid you don't go around dominating everyone all the time, then you won't get laid! Some women like men who take charge, others are turned off by the arrogance and presumption of it. Throw into that a massive evidence bias because everyone who has had any kind of success with sex has clearly found someone who likes what they do so everyone thinks their thing works, doesn't mean only their thing works. Furthermore if there is any evolutionary component to success with the opposite sex then congratulations, we all win. Everyone reading this is the result of countless generations of people who all succeeded to find someone to fuck, if there is a biological secret to it then everyone is fine because everyone has been biologically selected for it.
(bolded by me)
Sorry for going back a bit, but this is one of those posts that you read and go 'that's pretty much EXACTLY what I wanted to say!!!!'. This is spot on.
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Can I just say...To everyone who has issues talking to women. Get good friends and go out. I picked up the number of one of the hottest chicks I have ever talked to tonight because a guy from work played a kick ass wingman. I owe that man a beer at least. You don't have to be good with them, you just have to keep up with the convo and know when to jump in.
I have never hit on so many girls in my life than the passed 2 weeks. I was the socially awkward guy who just wanted to go home and play LoL. Now I got to the grocery store and compliment the cashier on her awesome shoes or her nice hair cut. Guys just fucking say what you feel sometimes. I swear, it works*I dont mean "OMG YOU"RE SO PRETTY" I Mean, "Hey I really like your chucks. the black on black is so sick". Just man up sometimes, it's not hard and you probably won't see them again afterwards.
After the Indy girl( who I posted about last) I got this girl at the same bar's number by just talking to her and buy her a drink. Easiest fucking thing in the world. She even told me to text her tomorrow to hang out. Lets go guys! MAN UP!
Edit: yes I may have been drinking, but that doesn't change any of what I said.
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So, yeah. I am in a relationship with a really unsecure and unexperienced girl. I am her first boyfriend and she is 22. We are dating for about 4 months, seeing each other weekly, no sex yet.
So, i always knew that she might not really know what she wants from me. And that she might figure out later, that a crush does not equal a good relationship. Well, two weeks ago, she left our date pretty early. SO i asked by mail if something is wrong, which she affirmed. Next week, she had planned to take me to a restaurant, as a birthday gift to me and because i had cooked for her the last months. I wanted to talk to her first though, so the evening wouldn't be awkward. She politely ignored any attempts to so though. I was a bit pissed, but the evening itself wsa quite nice. Until at the end, i asked her again to talk about her insecurity. She said we should talk about it next week. Not happy about that, but okay. So i send her an sms afterwards, asking her about the next date and that, whatever is troubling her, we should talk about it. Since then i heard nothing from her. We would have met wednesday, as we are roleplaying together this day, but she excused herself as being ill. She did not excuse herself for the weekend though. So on friday, i wrote a long email, telling her that i am really in a bad mood because of this, that i feel left and that she should really talk to me.
I really like her. I think the ojnly explanation is, that she has realized she does not see me that way and now she is afraid to tell me. All i want is her to say it and i can try to move on. Wouldn't make me a happy man, but at least i could try.
How do i get her to talk to me, without being a jerk or a complete pest? Calling her didn't work, she rarely uses her phone, and obviously ignores it. I am not even sure she reads my mails at this point, send the last one with a verification, nothing came back so far. I want to keep her as a friend, if i can, and in the slim chance that there is an explanation to this, not screw my chances with her entirely. Just wait in agony till she decides to contact me? drive over there? Call her 20 times an hour? rofl! FUCK MY LIFE!
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Your situation is tricky because if you "call her 20 times an hour" she will probably keep what she has to say for herself, being even more afraid to disappoint you :/
I suppose you made the clear move with your last e-mail. If she don't read it, maybe send her an SMS to tell her she must (at least girls read sms ^^).
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On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, yeah. I am in a relationship with a really unsecure and unexperienced girl. I am her first boyfriend and she is 22. We are dating for about 4 months, seeing each other weekly, no sex yet.
So, i always knew that she might not really know what she wants from me. And that she might figure out later, that a crush does not equal a good relationship. Well, two weeks ago, she left our date pretty early. SO i asked by mail if something is wrong, which she affirmed. Next week, she had planned to take me to a restaurant, as a birthday gift to me and because i had cooked for her the last months. I wanted to talk to her first though, so the evening wouldn't be awkward. She politely ignored any attempts to so though. I was a bit pissed, but the evening itself wsa quite nice. Until at the end, i asked her again to talk about her insecurity. She said we should talk about it next week. Not happy about that, but okay. So i send her an sms afterwards, asking her about the next date and that, whatever is troubling her, we should talk about it. Since then i heard nothing from her. We would have met wednesday, as we are roleplaying together this day, but she excused herself as being ill. She did not excuse herself for the weekend though. So on friday, i wrote a long email, telling her that i am really in a bad mood because of this, that i feel left and that she should really talk to me.
I really like her. I think the ojnly explanation is, that she has realized she does not see me that way and now she is afraid to tell me. All i want is her to say it and i can try to move on. Wouldn't make me a happy man, but at least i could try.
How do i get her to talk to me, without being a jerk or a complete pest? Calling her didn't work, she rarely uses her phone, and obviously ignores it. I am not even sure she reads my mails at this point, send the last one with a verification, nothing came back so far. I want to keep her as a friend, if i can, and in the slim chance that there is an explanation to this, not screw my chances with her entirely. Just wait in agony till she decides to contact me? drive over there? Call her 20 times an hour? rofl! FUCK MY LIFE!
I'm sorry to say so, but from what I read, it seems like she wants to break up but since you're her first boyfriend, maybe she doesn't know how to do so. If I were you, I would probably stop doing anything toward her, wait till she contacts you and if she doesn't, you might consider that you are now single. I think it's the best way to keep her as a friend, just be patient.
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On June 01 2013 13:30 docvoc wrote:
on the subject of actual dating, a friend of mine has a dilemma. Basically he has a gf (but more on that later), who is at this point in time, highschool and now the pre-college summer era of our lives, more popular than he; generally she is viewed in better social standing. She isn't anything special in my eyes, and she isn't all that nice or attractive to be with in my opinion. I kind of dislike her actually. He doesn't see it that way, he was madly infatuated with her. They plan to go to college together, and then at least in the same state, and then about a day trip away, and now she says fuck all that you can have me till summer's done and then no more. She had promised him better days a while ago, after the relationship became hard when she became sick, he stuck around hoping that promise would come true or at the very least they would be see better days in general, when she became well again. She threw all that down the drain and gave him the ultimatum of dating her till summers end or not at all. He asked me which he should pick, I told him I couldn't give him the answer, but that I felt for him and if it were up to me, I'd get out. What should he do? I asked my gf, she said the same as I did, so did every parental figure I asked. What do you guys think? I don't think I've asked this yet in here, but now that summer is in full swing, I though I would.
A classic example of a superficial short term teen relationship.
A true emotional and intimate relationship is built on love and infinite trust, you are together because you love each other to bits and because you're actually able to see a future together. You're exclusively and mutually theirs.
A relationship that goes like "Lol, you can date me till then and then, or not at all" is not a true relationship, it's a simple friends with benefits type of scenario. That girl obviously does not love the guy, and is not/barely into him. She's probably just lonely and bored and wants some temporary entertainment.
if you really do love each other you'd not break up just because you're moving slightly further apart, that's just silly.
Unless your friend is superduper desperate or unaware of what a romantic relationship actually is, he should stay the F- away and find a girl that does mutually love him. But once again, teenagers are often not developped enough emotionally to truly understand settling with a girl and having a romantic relationship.
No offense meant to anyone <20 years old, not trying to stereotype ^_^" so if you feel that's not the case for you, I believe you, np!
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
I am her first boyfriend and she is 22.
You're her first boyfriend. Have you ever considered the fact that she has ZERO experience in having somebody around her so often. Having somebody get so close, actually having a partner and not being able to live her good old self-life anymore, as you are interfering? Having somebody clinging onto you for the first time, absorbing those precious free time you once had?
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
We are dating for about 4 months,
4 months? That's so little, you are not entitled to come crushing into her emotional world after 4 months, it's something that has to be earned, not obtained. Give her time.
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
-SO i asked by mail if something is wrong, which she affirmed. Next week, she had planned to
-he politely ignored any attempts to so though. I was a bit pissed, but the evening itself wsa quite nice.
-at the end, i asked her again to talk about her insecurity. She said we should talk about it next week. Not happy about that, but okay.
- i send her an sms afterwards, asking that, whatever is troubling her, we should talk about it. Since then i heard nothing from her.
-We would have met wednesday, as we are roleplaying together this day, but she excused herself as being ill.
- on friday, i wrote a long email, telling her that i am really in a bad mood because of this, that i feel left and that she should really talk to me.
Look at that sustained harassment/pushiness. You aren't allowing her to open up to you herself, instead you are choking her. If you choke an insecure inexperienced girlfriend, she will get more and more and more and more distant up until she walks away.
And are you really surprised she excused herself on wednesday? She's getting SCARED of you man, of your pushiness.
You should learn how to give somebody space and be gentle with that person. I think you really ruined it with that e-mail, that e-mail is really selfish. With that e-mail yolu basically said that you feel entitled to be into her emotional world, and that she is making a wrong choice by not letting you in. It's selfish, you should look through her point of view for once.
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
I really like her. I think the ojnly explanation is, that she has realized she does not see me that way and now she is afraid to tell me. All i want is her to say it and i can try to move on. Wouldn't make me a happy man, but at least i could try.
The only explanation is that you are choking her and that she is getting scared and the more you try, the more distance she will take, up until it's too late.
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
How do i get her to talk to me, without being a jerk or a complete pest?
Just wait in agony till she decides to contact me? rofl! FUCK MY LIFE!
Yes, that is exactly what you will do. You will wait until SHE contacts YOU.
let the ball be in HER court. Stop harassing/pushing her.
And MOST importantly, do NOT ever AGAIN tell her that you're pissed off because she hasn't let you into her emotional/personal world yet after a mere '4 months', in a first timer relationship.
You should be lucky if she still wants you after all that stuff you did. It sounds harsh but there's nothing else to make from it.
I understand that you're scared that she might leave you and that you're clinging on more and more not to get hurt, but by doing so, you're ruining it for yourself. do NOT contact her anymore until she contacts you. A ticklish feeling with grow inside her and eventually she will start to miss you and message you.
Give her room to breathe, give her time to rid herself of that choke hold of yours. And once she does contact you, do NOT by ANY means, start with pushing her to let you into her personal world, again. This might be your final chance, better make the best of it.
On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
rofl! FUCK MY LIFE!
This isnt about you, this is about her having trouble opening up and needing time. This was never about you, this was always about her being choked emotionally and pushed to the limit. Stop being so selfish and think about how scared you made her, of you. so instead of saying FML, how about taking a few minutes to comprehend how she might be feeling.
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On June 01 2013 13:30 docvoc wrote:
on the subject of actual dating, a friend of mine has a dilemma. Basically he has a gf (but more on that later), who is at this point in time, highschool and now the pre-college summer era of our lives, more popular than he; generally she is viewed in better social standing. She isn't anything special in my eyes, and she isn't all that nice or attractive to be with in my opinion. I kind of dislike her actually. He doesn't see it that way, he was madly infatuated with her. They plan to go to college together, and then at least in the same state, and then about a day trip away, and now she says fuck all that you can have me till summer's done and then no more. She had promised him better days a while ago, after the relationship became hard when she became sick, he stuck around hoping that promise would come true or at the very least they would be see better days in general, when she became well again. She threw all that down the drain and gave him the ultimatum of dating her till summers end or not at all. He asked me which he should pick, I told him I couldn't give him the answer, but that I felt for him and if it were up to me, I'd get out. What should he do? I asked my gf, she said the same as I did, so did every parental figure I asked. What do you guys think? I don't think I've asked this yet in here, but now that summer is in full swing, I though I would.
Agree with the one who spoke above.
The commitment is not the same from same sides.
I would have dumped her on the spot, but i also went out with one of my best girl friends younger sister: (dont do it, it will be awkward as fuck...)
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On June 01 2013 18:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, yeah. I am in a relationship with a really unsecure and unexperienced girl. I am her first boyfriend and she is 22. We are dating for about 4 months, seeing each other weekly, no sex yet.
So, i always knew that she might not really know what she wants from me. And that she might figure out later, that a crush does not equal a good relationship. Well, two weeks ago, she left our date pretty early. SO i asked by mail if something is wrong, which she affirmed. Next week, she had planned to take me to a restaurant, as a birthday gift to me and because i had cooked for her the last months. I wanted to talk to her first though, so the evening wouldn't be awkward. She politely ignored any attempts to so though. I was a bit pissed, but the evening itself wsa quite nice. Until at the end, i asked her again to talk about her insecurity. She said we should talk about it next week. Not happy about that, but okay. So i send her an sms afterwards, asking her about the next date and that, whatever is troubling her, we should talk about it. Since then i heard nothing from her. We would have met wednesday, as we are roleplaying together this day, but she excused herself as being ill. She did not excuse herself for the weekend though. So on friday, i wrote a long email, telling her that i am really in a bad mood because of this, that i feel left and that she should really talk to me.
I really like her. I think the ojnly explanation is, that she has realized she does not see me that way and now she is afraid to tell me. All i want is her to say it and i can try to move on. Wouldn't make me a happy man, but at least i could try.
How do i get her to talk to me, without being a jerk or a complete pest? Calling her didn't work, she rarely uses her phone, and obviously ignores it. I am not even sure she reads my mails at this point, send the last one with a verification, nothing came back so far. I want to keep her as a friend, if i can, and in the slim chance that there is an explanation to this, not screw my chances with her entirely. Just wait in agony till she decides to contact me? drive over there? Call her 20 times an hour? rofl! FUCK MY LIFE!
I kind of get an 'insecure' vibe from this. She should be allowed to reconsider the relationship without you completely panicking and pestering her. You don't have to be in control for every moment of the relationship, just let her work through this for a bit.
Actually, my advice would be: send another email that's short, saying: "meh, ignore the previous email, I was in a bad mood, sorry. see you [some other time] I guess". or so. :o
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@kaluro:
You make me sound like a nutcase. Thx for that. I tried calling her twice, i wrote 1 email to ask for a talk, i wrote one sms to ask for a talk and a week later, i wrote 1 email to tell her that i feel treated unfairly. I am not pushy at all.
And how is your vision how that should have gone fair? I shall just wait. One month. Two months. Until she finally decides to say, "hey, funny how we bump into each other here, by the way, i dumped you 2 Months ago." Where is here consideration of my mental health? Am i less worthy of that, for being a man, and having had splitups before? What kind of stupid double-standard is that?
@ Grumbels:
Yeah, i am insecure. Let's just say, the last year was not very kind to me. And yeah, i am panicking. And yeah, just doing nothing is the best way from now, she knows that i feel shitty, i can't do more then tell her once. Suxx though.
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