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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-13 08:17:04
October 13 2018 08:12 GMT
#20361
Like that my exGF liked my new (pimped out) profile picture and reads instagram stories.
I asked Facebook to not show me her posts while keeping her in friends and unfollowed her on instagram.
I'm keeping her in friends as technically it's a "break" even though it's a straight up breakup for all means and purposes

EDIT: I know it means nothing
She's the one who did the dumping so anything but direct contact is meaningless, still kinda complicates things in my subconscious when it comes to moving on.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-13 08:34:29
October 13 2018 08:29 GMT
#20362
Also what's your stance of being friends with your exes if she just can't get her head around supporting your career and purpose in life,as it seems like right now and you call it a day as the values are just different not because of a toxic breakup or anything.
She's a great person, when we first started dating I actually considered just keeping her as a friend in the first few weeks, a perfect blend of dorkiness sarcasm curiosity and caring for her friends in that one.

And it's never worked out for me, my best female friend right now we did date but was just like 3-4 dates with just low attraction but great banter when sober, plus we never had full on sex anyways. So I don't even count that one and it kinda makes me wonder if a mature person should be able to manage that.

Problem is physical attraction, she is my kryptonite when it comes to that, it never fizzled out years in not even close I doubt much will change a few months down the line even if I date other women, and last thing I want is a block to fully embracing a great new person fully in my life.
Right now I lean towards being forced to parting ways permanently, I'm curious what you guys think though.

And I definitely don't want to be one of the weak people that have this weird off and on again sex thing with their ex after they break up for months when they both know it's just over
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1998 Posts
October 13 2018 10:38 GMT
#20363
On October 13 2018 17:29 LemOn wrote:
Also what's your stance of being friends with your exes if she just can't get her head around supporting your career and purpose in life,as it seems like right now and you call it a day as the values are just different not because of a toxic breakup or anything.
She's a great person, when we first started dating I actually considered just keeping her as a friend in the first few weeks, a perfect blend of dorkiness sarcasm curiosity and caring for her friends in that one.

And it's never worked out for me, my best female friend right now we did date but was just like 3-4 dates with just low attraction but great banter when sober, plus we never had full on sex anyways. So I don't even count that one and it kinda makes me wonder if a mature person should be able to manage that.

Problem is physical attraction, she is my kryptonite when it comes to that, it never fizzled out years in not even close I doubt much will change a few months down the line even if I date other women, and last thing I want is a block to fully embracing a great new person fully in my life.
Right now I lean towards being forced to parting ways permanently, I'm curious what you guys think though.

And I definitely don't want to be one of the weak people that have this weird off and on again sex thing with their ex after they break up for months when they both know it's just over


I have some close friends who enjoy good relations with their exes. One of the exes even set up a new very promising relationship for my friend! They were both very long and serious relationships, though, and one of them might get back together if she just gets her act together and moves back to her hometown.

I know the rulebook says you should do clean breakups but the world is a lot more complex than that! Think about the wellbeeing of yourself and potential future partners and an answer should emerge!
Buff the siegetank
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 13 2018 15:20 GMT
#20364
On October 13 2018 17:29 LemOn wrote:
Also what's your stance of being friends with your exes if she just can't get her head around supporting your career and purpose in life,as it seems like right now and you call it a day as the values are just different not because of a toxic breakup or anything.
She's a great person, when we first started dating I actually considered just keeping her as a friend in the first few weeks, a perfect blend of dorkiness sarcasm curiosity and caring for her friends in that one.

And it's never worked out for me, my best female friend right now we did date but was just like 3-4 dates with just low attraction but great banter when sober, plus we never had full on sex anyways. So I don't even count that one and it kinda makes me wonder if a mature person should be able to manage that.

Problem is physical attraction, she is my kryptonite when it comes to that, it never fizzled out years in not even close I doubt much will change a few months down the line even if I date other women, and last thing I want is a block to fully embracing a great new person fully in my life.
Right now I lean towards being forced to parting ways permanently, I'm curious what you guys think though.

And I definitely don't want to be one of the weak people that have this weird off and on again sex thing with their ex after they break up for months when they both know it's just over


Would generally say no, especially if you're still attracted. Especially when you're looking. Six months or a year down the road if you're in a new healthy, relationship and still miss her companionship purely as a friend, perhaps something to consider.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-13 15:36:13
October 13 2018 15:25 GMT
#20365
On October 13 2018 17:12 LemOn wrote:
Like that my exGF liked my new (pimped out) profile picture and reads instagram stories.
I asked Facebook to not show me her posts while keeping her in friends and unfollowed her on instagram.
I'm keeping her in friends as technically it's a "break" even though it's a straight up breakup for all means and purposes

EDIT: I know it means nothing
She's the one who did the dumping so anything but direct contact is meaningless, still kinda complicates things in my subconscious when it comes to moving on.


Honestly, I'm pretty certain you want her back. Just the fact you're excited that she liked your FB picture and various other things. I think you should sit down right now and think about whether or not you want her back. If she came back to you, would you want that?

If the answer is no after some deep thought, then you need to stop pining/being excited over her. Okay, pining is way to strong, but you know what I mean.

If the answer is yes, what I would do is this. 4-6 months NO contact. Do not text her, call her, or anything. Sounds like you're doing that. Work hard on your other goals. Improve your fitness if that has slipped, you can make significant progress in 4-6 months. Unless you're outright fat, you can easily add 5-10lbs of muscle and drop to six pack lean in that time. Do so. Now is also the time to spin a few plates, date more casually and have fun with other women so you're not crazy needy.

You already have her on social media, but let her see your progress, happiness, and non-neediness. Seeing you with other women isn't a bad thing either, but in a classy way of course.

One of two things will happen. She will contact you before 4-6 months. If she does, cool. Talk to her for a bit, then pitch a meet at your place. If she suggests anything else, just go back to radio silence on her. It's a strong signal she isn't looking at you as a dating interest. If she comes to your place, have sex and resume the relationship.

If she doesn't, then it's the same as above but you contact her, perhaps with a good memory like I suggested before, and then banter a bit and pitch the same thing. That's my two cents on how I would play it.

On October 13 2018 16:37 LemOn wrote:
hah dammit
I got a tentative flake text like 10hrs later for that date
Maybe you're right L_Master it's possible I just don't remember the no shows and second day flakes, it has been over 3 years after all heh



Did you do online much before? I'd expect it to be less common from social circle. Also, women under 25 flake like mad, probably close to 2/3 with that group. 25 - 30 it's less common, and probably drops to under 25% with 30+. If they reschedule with you then the flake rate drops pretty low for attempt #2.

Second day I've never had a flake. It's either first date and they come to my place for second date...or they go radio silent after date 1 when I pitch a second meeting. I've yet to have someone say they will come to my place for a second date and then not show.


On October 13 2018 17:05 LemOn wrote:
Yeah what the fuck
I'm single after over 3 years
Being all emotionally shaken and such

And need to discuss my practical getting back into the fray of things and tangible stories and learning from specific mistakes I made with fellow nerds, you know, to heal

And these people make it real hard with these metaphysical essays unraveling the fabric of the universe and being all philosophical


Y'all acting like the two things are mutually exclusive
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 13 2018 15:46 GMT
#20366
Today is starting off as a decent day boyos! There was this girl I met about 5 months ago. Cute face, smoking body. Hard to get much better than that for me. Lean, with great female abs, sexy back/waist, and a great tight little butt. As good as it gets. Our first meeting was....fun. Met up at a pool, swam, drank, chilled in the hot-tub, things got wild and quite naughty. She was so eager which has always been a massive turn on for me. Had fun at the pool, then back to my place for more, then sleep, then more in the morning.

Little too much party in her for a LTR but a very fun person to hang out with once or twice a week as friends. Looked like I was going to get a second meetup, but never quite happened. After about two weeks it became obvious that either I had been too needy/pushy for a second meetup, she felt a little guilty about what we did, or combination of both.

Cut communication, figured she was dead. Waited 5 months or so and just contacted her again, bantered, pitched a meetup, and got a weak yes (I'm busy this weekend but might be able to next week). Told her that was good because I'm out of town for the weekend and will contact her Sunday. Long way from anything real, but just went from a 0.0001% chance to maybe a 10% chance.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
October 13 2018 21:56 GMT
#20367
On October 13 2018 17:29 LemOn wrote:
Also what's your stance of being friends with your exes[...]


So far I've managed to befriend most of the girls I've been dating / most of the girls I've sex with. Works perfectly for me although I took a couple of weeks/months before we've had contact again. Just to make sure that I'm completely over her.


More or less on topic:

My girlfriend broke up with me this afternoon. We've been together for almost two years and I've had my first "real" relationship. I held back my tears until she was gone but still, this was the first time in years where I've actually cried.
The more I think about it, the more I realize what a great girl she was. You know, she left me because of the last job I had (until july). When I worked there I was 200km away 6 days a week for about 13 months, so according to her that's where she suffered the most and lost her feelings for me.
Every weekend I'd drive 400km just to see her but that was just not enough. But still she asked me every day how the work was going how I was feeling etc. And I always took this for granted... and that was the biggest mistake I made.

I'm not sad because she left me (well obviously I am sad because she left me but ... you know), no I'm so incredibly sad because I took everything she did for me for granted without telling her how much I love her and that I appreciate every little thing she does for me... No matter what happened, no matter how bad my day was she was always there for me.

So just as an advice for you guys and girls out there, never take anything for granted. And if you have someone who deeply cares for you, let them know that you love them and appreciate what they are doing!
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 14 2018 00:56 GMT
#20368
On October 14 2018 06:56 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2018 17:29 LemOn wrote:
Also what's your stance of being friends with your exes[...]


So far I've managed to befriend most of the girls I've been dating / most of the girls I've sex with. Works perfectly for me although I took a couple of weeks/months before we've had contact again. Just to make sure that I'm completely over her.


More or less on topic:

My girlfriend broke up with me this afternoon. We've been together for almost two years and I've had my first "real" relationship. I held back my tears until she was gone but still, this was the first time in years where I've actually cried.
The more I think about it, the more I realize what a great girl she was. You know, she left me because of the last job I had (until july). When I worked there I was 200km away 6 days a week for about 13 months, so according to her that's where she suffered the most and lost her feelings for me.
Every weekend I'd drive 400km just to see her but that was just not enough. But still she asked me every day how the work was going how I was feeling etc. And I always took this for granted... and that was the biggest mistake I made.

I'm not sad because she left me (well obviously I am sad because she left me but ... you know), no I'm so incredibly sad because I took everything she did for me for granted without telling her how much I love her and that I appreciate every little thing she does for me... No matter what happened, no matter how bad my day was she was always there for me.

So just as an advice for you guys and girls out there, never take anything for granted. And if you have someone who deeply cares for you, let them know that you love them and appreciate what they are doing!


Not only Boyfriend/Girlfriend, but even friends/family. Let people that you value know that you value them.
Also, sorry about the relationship man. Definitely sucks when you don't have time, but I guess you pulled a valuable lesson from it. Going forward, good luck with stuff!
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
October 14 2018 13:57 GMT
#20369
On October 13 2018 17:29 LemOn wrote:
Right now I lean towards being forced to parting ways permanently, I'm curious what you guys think though.

And I definitely don't want to be one of the weak people that have this weird off and on again sex thing with their ex after they break up for months when they both know it's just over

Well, I am fairly certain what you would have told me 3 years ago if I asked the same question about any of my dates whom I liked a lot but didn't like me back. I will now channel my best Lem0n immitation.

"Drop her like a cold fucking turkey." - Lem0n three years ago

Even if you want a chance later on, I think you remove her from facebook right now, but let her know that if she wants to start something again, she is free to add you back. Just let her know that you want some space right now.

------------------------

On another note, I agree that there is way too much discussion about poly relationships. All coming from L_Masters disbelief that relationships can last forever. I don't know what town where you come from where everyone just divorce every third year, but pretty much everyone I know (extended family, friends etc) marry once and then live their days together. I can actually only recall one divorce which I know about.

I think you have a very clinical and depressing way at looking at relationships. Making broad generalisations scouring the internet for statistics that help you prove your own anecdotes. To me it feels like you view your stats like 30% divorce within 3 years, fuck it, nobody should bother trying to find a 'soul mate'. But poly-relationships are the bomb..
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-14 14:22:50
October 14 2018 14:11 GMT
#20370
My girlfriend broke up with me this afternoon.

Damn that sucks, hope you feel better.

On October 14 2018 06:56 JoeCool wrote: When I worked there I was 200km away 6 days a week for about 13 months, so according to her that's where she suffered the most and lost her feelings for me.




I don't want to be a smart ass or beat you down more. But, shouldn't the advice you give us be "You can not be in a relationship with someone when you're gone 6 days a week for over a year" and not "Appreciate the little time you have together" even though it is food for thought?

I don't know how to explain it, but to me it almost feels like you're not admitting to yourself why she felt like she felt. And I do not believe it was because you took things for granted.

>so according to her that's where she suffered the most and lost her feelings for me

"According to her", it's like you don't even believe her. I think most people wouldn't be able to handle that time away. I personally would be a bit upset if my partner didn't even bother look for another job which was closer knowing it would be that far away for such a long time. Was the job paying that much?


Edit: Some structural changes
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
October 14 2018 14:21 GMT
#20371
On October 14 2018 00:25 L_Master wrote:Now is also the time to spin a few plates, date more casually and have fun with other women so you're not crazy needy.

You already have her on social media, but let her see your progress, happiness, and non-neediness. Seeing you with other women isn't a bad thing either, but in a classy way of course.


All these paragraphs are so contradicting. You're implying he should do all these things just to get a chance with her later on. That's fucking desperate and needy if anything and I am pretty sure it will be noticeable.

I think there is a huge difference between Lem0n seeking personal development and doing it to satisfy his exGFs needs and wants of him if they supposedly could get back together.

If Lem0n has grown obese, his thought process shouldn't be "exGF thought I was getting bigger, I must therefore lose weight if I want a shot". It should be "Holy fuck, I'm 250lbs, I'm severely obese and my probability of dying of heart disease has fucking soared".

You haven't even begun moving on in my opinion if you even consider what your actions should be in regards to what your ex GF would think.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 14 2018 14:41 GMT
#20372
I went on a Tinder date recently. It went well and it was fun, but I didn't really feel a "spark", or something that made me think "I need this". Do you guys go on another date in a situation like this, or just call it quits?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
October 14 2018 14:42 GMT
#20373
Honestly, the person in the best position to make that call is you, and based on what you said, it sounds like you wanna move on.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 14 2018 15:32 GMT
#20374
On October 14 2018 23:41 Dark_Chill wrote:
I went on a Tinder date recently. It went well and it was fun, but I didn't really feel a "spark", or something that made me think "I need this". Do you guys go on another date in a situation like this, or just call it quits?


Basically what farvacola said. If you want my personal opinion, no, I wouldn't. Maybe if I had gotten the impression there were a bunch of great qualities in her I liked and that she would be a great person to date, but there wasn't that initial chemistry or ease of conversation. That's the only exception I can think of.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 14 2018 15:49 GMT
#20375
On October 14 2018 22:57 bloodwhore~ wrote:

On another note, I agree that there is way too much discussion about poly relationships. All coming from L_Masters disbelief that relationships can last forever. I don't know what town where you come from where everyone just divorce every third year, but pretty much everyone I know (extended family, friends etc) marry once and then live their days together. I can actually only recall one divorce which I know about.

I think you have a very clinical and depressing way at looking at relationships. Making broad generalisations scouring the internet for statistics that help you prove your own anecdotes. To me it feels like you view your stats like 30% divorce within 3 years, fuck it, nobody should bother trying to find a 'soul mate'. But poly-relationships are the bomb..


First thing I'll say is how can there be too much discussion? It's a genuine relationship topic, and it's not like talking about non monogamous dating is mutually exclusive with other people posting any other dating question.

Beyond that, and I'm not holding you against this in any way since there was an absolute mass of text over the past couple of days, you're badly misrepresenting what I am suggesting and what my thoughts are.

All coming from L_Masters disbelief that relationships can last forever.


Exhibit A. I readily acknowledge that there are monogamous relationships that work great. My experience mirrors the stats, about 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 people I know or have known get divorced. Maybe it's different in EU? That's still ALOT of relationships that stay together, and is far from the statement you posted above.

We don't know how many of those relationships are actually monogamous (cheating = non monogamous), or happy however. Statistics give us good reason to think this is a decent number.


Even considering that, and especially in light of the discussions that have arisen over the previous days about what traits are needed in partners to make a relationship work, it should be very clear that I do NOT hold a view that relationships can't last forever.

On October 14 2018 22:57 bloodwhore~ wrote:
I think you have a very clinical and depressing way at looking at relationships. Making broad generalisations scouring the internet for statistics that help you prove your own anecdotes. To me it feels like you view your stats like [b]30% divorce within 3 years, fuck it, nobody should bother trying to find a 'soul mate'. But poly-relationships are the bomb.


Again, not upset or holding this against you because their was a metric shit ton of text to read but this is just so far off from my opinions.

First thing is that the scouring the internet for statistics to prove anecdotes is very disingenuous. I do a simple search, find 2-3 papers with robust, thousand+ sample sizes and/or meta analyses looking at a variety of studies over time. All of of which can be readily cited on demand. What you did there was an attempt to make discredit the statistics by making them sound very cherry picked and weak. Finding the initial statistics is what made me start thinking about this stuff in the first place.

To me it feels like you view your stats like [b]30% divorce within 3 years, fuck it, nobody should bother trying to find a 'soul mate'. But poly-relationships are the bomb.


This one is the one I'm really surprised about, because I have, almost aggressively, stated that my end goal/desire is a long term, pair bonded, deep emotional and romantic relationship. In every sense of the word, I'm looking for a soulmate. How you came to this conclusion reading any of my posts is beyond me. I wrote more or less those exact words in perhaps 5-10 or more of my last 20 or 30 posts.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 14 2018 15:59 GMT
#20376
On October 14 2018 23:21 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2018 00:25 L_Master wrote:Now is also the time to spin a few plates, date more casually and have fun with other women so you're not crazy needy.

You already have her on social media, but let her see your progress, happiness, and non-neediness. Seeing you with other women isn't a bad thing either, but in a classy way of course.


All these paragraphs are so contradicting. You're implying he should do all these things just to get a chance with her later on. That's fucking desperate and needy if anything and I am pretty sure it will be noticeable.

I think there is a huge difference between Lem0n seeking personal development and doing it to satisfy his exGFs needs and wants of him if they supposedly could get back together.

If Lem0n has grown obese, his thought process shouldn't be "exGF thought I was getting bigger, I must therefore lose weight if I want a shot". It should be "Holy fuck, I'm 250lbs, I'm severely obese and my probability of dying of heart disease has fucking soared".

You haven't even begun moving on in my opinion if you even consider what your actions should be in regards to what your ex GF would think.


I also don't know how you got most of this. For the record, if I understand you right, I think I agree with just about everything posted above.

By definition, IF you want your ex GF back, you are in some fashion needy. But you want to minimize that as much as possible. All of the stuff I suggested was not stuff he should be doing to "get his GF back" or because "she would want it". It's for personal development because they are great things to work on for yourself and for getting over her. Fitness always helps for being attractive to the opposite sex (i.e. for general dating). Dating other women is clearly not something you do to bring back your ex...she isn't going to go "OMG he is dating someone else that's so hot I want him back".

On top of that, I explicitly prefaced the entire statement about things he should be doing with:
On October 14 2018 00:25 L_Master wrote:
Work hard on your other goals.


He has stated on of the reasons his GF might have broken up with him was his career. By stating work hard on your other goals (career, gym, women, passions) it's an explicit statement to work on him, for him.

Nowhere am I suggesting that he should alter or change his personal goals to try to become whatever he thinks his GF would find attractive. That's madness.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 14 2018 16:01 GMT
#20377
The thing that strikes me most about the marriage and divorce conversation is that it comes from an American. Which is why I disregard most stats cited.
Americans marry way too fucking early to have any ideas about life,for my taste.
No wonder divorce rates are high of you marry in your second year of a relationship.

Some food for thought for l_master might be the following guardian article, which portrays a rather different take on women's sexuality compared to what I mean to remember reading in this thread time and again.
A strong libido and bored by monogamy: the truth about women and sex (long excerpt in spoilers):
+ Show Spoiler +

New findings showed that women reported similar intensities of desire and arousal to men, and “a real shift in thinking” about females and monogamy. “We were taught that men were the ones who needed variety, but the exact opposite turns out to be the case,” says Martin. “Overfamiliarisation with a partner and desexualisation kills women’s libido. We used to think it’s only men who became sexually bored after marriage; turns out that’s not true. It’s when women get married that it’s detrimental to their libido.”

New York, photographed at her NYC apartment
‘Men really caring about what women want sexually makes a huge difference’: Wednesday Martin. Photograph: Christopher Lane for the Observer
Martin isn’t here to talk about her own relationship, but for the record she’s 53, has been married for 18 years, still lives in New York, and has two sons aged 17 and 10 who are, predictably enough, “mortified” at what their mother writes about. She hopes her work will help validate the feelings of the next generation of young women: “It’s not about giving them permission to ‘cheat’, not even giving them permission to refuse monogamy, but I hope it does give them permission to feel normal if they don’t like monogamy,” she says. Because that’s the central fallacy: the belief that monogamy is harder for men than for women. In fact, argues Martin, the exact opposite is the case. “Women crave novelty and variety and adventure at least as much as men, and maybe more.” She talks me through what she says is the classic pathway for women when they marry or commit to one heterosexual partner long-term (the research has so far concentrated on heterosexual couples; more work is needed on gay women’s sex lives). “A couple live together, their libidos are matched, and they have a lot of sex. But after a year, two years, maybe three years, what tends to happen is that the woman’s desire drops more quickly than the man’s. At that point the woman thinks, ‘I don’t like sex any more.’ But what, in fact, is happening is that she is having a hard time with monogamy; because women get bored with one partner more quickly than men do.”

So women are socialised to believe that they’ve gone off sex, when in fact they’re craving variety. Instead of being the brake on passion, says Martin, the female half of the long-term partnership is the key to a more adventurous and exciting sex life. What it’s all about, she explains, is the existence of the only entirely pleasure-seeking organ in the human repertoire, the clitoris. For her portrait, she wears a necklace shaped like one. “Women evolved to seek out pleasure, women are multiply orgasmic, women’s biology sets them up to seek out pleasure,” says Martin. “The clitoris has a very important back story about female human sex which is that our sex evolved for the purpose of adventure.”

Another element in the mix, she says, was the finding that a third of women who are having an extramarital relationship say their marriage or long-term partnership is happy or very happy. “So we need to understand that women aren’t just seeking variety because they’re unhappy, they’re seeking it because they need variety and novelty,” she says.


Source

This is not intended to provide or provoke any gotcha statement, rather its a different, female, perspective that this thread is lacking for obvious reasons.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 14 2018 16:25 GMT
#20378
On October 15 2018 01:01 Artisreal wrote:
The thing that strikes me most about the marriage and divorce conversation is that it comes from an American. Which is why I disregard most stats cited.
Americans marry way too fucking early to have any ideas about life,for my taste.
No wonder divorce rates are high of you marry in your second year of a relationship.

Some food for thought for l_master might be the following guardian article, which portrays a rather different take on women's sexuality compared to what I mean to remember reading in this thread time and again.
A strong libido and bored by monogamy: the truth about women and sex (long excerpt in spoilers):
+ Show Spoiler +

New findings showed that women reported similar intensities of desire and arousal to men, and “a real shift in thinking” about females and monogamy. “We were taught that men were the ones who needed variety, but the exact opposite turns out to be the case,” says Martin. “Overfamiliarisation with a partner and desexualisation kills women’s libido. We used to think it’s only men who became sexually bored after marriage; turns out that’s not true. It’s when women get married that it’s detrimental to their libido.”

New York, photographed at her NYC apartment
‘Men really caring about what women want sexually makes a huge difference’: Wednesday Martin. Photograph: Christopher Lane for the Observer
Martin isn’t here to talk about her own relationship, but for the record she’s 53, has been married for 18 years, still lives in New York, and has two sons aged 17 and 10 who are, predictably enough, “mortified” at what their mother writes about. She hopes her work will help validate the feelings of the next generation of young women: “It’s not about giving them permission to ‘cheat’, not even giving them permission to refuse monogamy, but I hope it does give them permission to feel normal if they don’t like monogamy,” she says. Because that’s the central fallacy: the belief that monogamy is harder for men than for women. In fact, argues Martin, the exact opposite is the case. “Women crave novelty and variety and adventure at least as much as men, and maybe more.” She talks me through what she says is the classic pathway for women when they marry or commit to one heterosexual partner long-term (the research has so far concentrated on heterosexual couples; more work is needed on gay women’s sex lives). “A couple live together, their libidos are matched, and they have a lot of sex. But after a year, two years, maybe three years, what tends to happen is that the woman’s desire drops more quickly than the man’s. At that point the woman thinks, ‘I don’t like sex any more.’ But what, in fact, is happening is that she is having a hard time with monogamy; because women get bored with one partner more quickly than men do.”

So women are socialised to believe that they’ve gone off sex, when in fact they’re craving variety. Instead of being the brake on passion, says Martin, the female half of the long-term partnership is the key to a more adventurous and exciting sex life. What it’s all about, she explains, is the existence of the only entirely pleasure-seeking organ in the human repertoire, the clitoris. For her portrait, she wears a necklace shaped like one. “Women evolved to seek out pleasure, women are multiply orgasmic, women’s biology sets them up to seek out pleasure,” says Martin. “The clitoris has a very important back story about female human sex which is that our sex evolved for the purpose of adventure.”

Another element in the mix, she says, was the finding that a third of women who are having an extramarital relationship say their marriage or long-term partnership is happy or very happy. “So we need to understand that women aren’t just seeking variety because they’re unhappy, they’re seeking it because they need variety and novelty,” she says.


Source

This is not intended to provide or provoke any gotcha statement, rather its a different, female, perspective that this thread is lacking for obvious reasons.


This is actually one of the things I've been saying that I think is a significant contributing problem in relationships. Female boredom -> less sex -> increased male apathy, increased male neediness -> decreased female attraction -> less sex -> repeat.

End all be all? Hell no. But it seeps over into all aspects of the relationship.

The difference between what conclusions the article draws and what I draw is the extent to which this can be managed in a couple. The first thing I have to say, is from what I know...guys are INCREDIBLY weak at this. There is a metric ton more stuff dudes can be doing to ensure there partner is having a good sexual experience.

Hell, I surveyed my friends at one point, and basically only one of them said they made sure the partner regularly orgasmed. Like....WTF? I literally never have sex with a girl where she doesn't cum, unless she physically can't or for some odd reason I can't figure it out. Everytime we have sex, I make damn sure she gets off. I was shocked. I couldn't believe most guys didn't do this. Then of course there is much more you can do for variety beyond just that.

That said, where views may diverge is that I have read enough stuff, both anecdotal (especially from female perspective) and empirical to think that even the best efforts of a dedicated husband are not enough to prevent some of this "boredom" from setting in. Slow it? Yes. Reduce it? Yes. Stop it? Not so sure.
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
October 14 2018 20:13 GMT
#20379
On October 14 2018 23:11 bloodwhore~ wrote:
I don't want to be a smart ass or beat you down more. But, shouldn't the advice you give us be "You can not be in a relationship with someone when you're gone 6 days a week for over a year" and not "Appreciate the little time you have together" even though it is food for thought?


I don't think so, as long as you appreciate the time you have and value your SO a relationship can work even if you only meet once a week. I mean you still have (public) holidays and stuff to spend some time together.

On October 14 2018 23:11 bloodwhore~ wrote:
I don't know how to explain it, but to me it almost feels like you're not admitting to yourself why she felt like she felt. And I do not believe it was because you took things for granted.


Okay I think to go deeper into that: Of course the main reason why she left me is because we did not spend enough time together. Theres no doubt about that and you are completely right. However I do believe that things would have gone differently if I had told her that I'm looking forward talking to her this evening, telling her that I'm happy that I got her, planning holidays together etc. Reason beeing that in the future my employer would've put me closer to home. So it's just about bypassing time.


On October 14 2018 23:11 bloodwhore~ wrote:
"According to her", it's like you don't even believe her. I think most people wouldn't be able to handle that time away. I personally would be a bit upset if my partner didn't even bother look for another job which was closer knowing it would be that far away for such a long time. Was the job paying that much?


Yes the salary was amongst the highest you can get. Plus, this was the only company that would hire me.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1149 Posts
October 15 2018 09:25 GMT
#20380
On September 25 2018 06:43 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2018 18:19 iopq wrote:
On September 21 2018 01:05 L_Master wrote:
On September 20 2018 11:38 iopq wrote:
I'm okay with being friends with a girl who I am sexually attracted to. There's a difference between being in love with someone and merely liking to have sex with a person.

All of my real female friends (not friends of friends) are girls that I've had sex with before and it didn't work out.


What do you mean by "didn't work out"?


I didn't love her and didn't want her to get her hopes up. Another one was the opposite, I liked her more than she liked me (and the sex was terrible)


Did you end the former? Or were you clear with her and then she eventually ended the relationship? And okay I understand what you mean by "not working out" meaning "didn't last forever".

She asked me if I loved her and I told her I loved her as a friend. She cried a lot.

We still talk on Whatsapp, I give her advice on learning English, lol
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